Baptized With The Holy Spirit

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Aaron56

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The Spirit absolutely baptizes people but His medium is not water.
The Holy Spirit baptizes each believer into the Body of Christ.

”For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body…”

A nice reminder that He, the Spirit, determines our place in the Body. More importantly, He determines how the church should receive another believer in the Spirit.

Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.”
 

Pilgrimshope

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Matthew 3 Reading is fundamental.

5 At that time Jerusalem was going out to him, and all Judea and all the region around the Jordan; 6 and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, as they confessed their sins.
Amen before and after the cross

“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:35-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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Maybe not, but the thread topic has nothing to do with the fire.
I agree. Shouldn't be caught up with whether fire is real or a metaphor. Thread is just asking about Baptism of the Holy Ghost.

But for sake of such discussion look here:

According to the biblical account of Pentecost, there was a real and visible manifestation of fire and wind. The book of Acts describes how, on the day of Pentecost, a sound like a rushing wind filled the house where the apostles were gathered, and tongues of fire appeared over their heads, dividing among them and resting on each of them. This event was a dramatic and unmistakable sign of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the early church.

The symbols of fire and wind are often used to represent the power and presence of the Holy Spirit. Fire is associated with cleansing, purification, and transformation, while wind is associated with movement, energy, and power. In the context of Pentecost, these symbols suggest that the Holy Spirit is a transformative force that has the power to empower and enable believers to live out their faith.

The fact that there was a real and visible manifestation of fire and wind on the day of Pentecost suggests that this was not just a subjective experience of the apostles. It was something that could be seen and heard by everyone present. This makes the event all the more remarkable and underscores its significance as a turning point in the history of the church.

The outpouring of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost was a fulfillment of Jesus' promise to send his followers a "helper," a comforter, and an advocate who would teach them and guide them into all truth. The Holy Spirit has continued to empower and guide the church throughout its history, and remains active in the lives of believers today.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#44
The Spirit absolutely baptizes people but His medium is not water.
The Holy Spirit baptizes each believer into the Body of Christ.

”For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body…”

A nice reminder that He, the Spirit, determines our place in the Body. More importantly, He determines how the church should receive another believer in the Spirit.

Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.”
who created the doctrine of baptism for remission of sins ?

The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men?”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭20:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God established baptism in the Bible God sent John to baptize the people in preparation for the messiah

“But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God….. And his mother answered and said, Not so; but he shall be called John.

And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: For thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; To give knowledge of salvation unto his people By the remission of their sins, Through the tender mercy of our God; Whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us, And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭1:13, 15-16, 60, 67, 76-78, 80‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Its important for us to realize baptism is a design of God it’s God who sent John to establish the doctrine of baptism for repentance and remission of sins. God is behind what John was doing this new doctrine called “baptism for remission of sins “

Hohn was just carrying out Gods design for baptism and foretelling the reception of the Holy Ghost later

this was Gods design for men to act on his word promising remission of sins .

If we remove all the actions and elements from the doctrine of baptism it just becomes something we say and then later things like this don’t really make any sense but imagine if a person had been baptized by immersion in water how this would sound different

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

See if I had been baptized in jesus name in water buried beneath the water and raised up this is addressed to me and is exactly loaning why I was buried beneath the water and raised up again .

or again here

Remember the term from the gospel “ baptism for remission of sins “

“in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Do you see how baptism by immersion makes all of that make sense but if we had removed baptism by immersion being buried beneath the water and raised up on his name none of that makes any sense at all but Paul’s speaking to those who had been baptized explaining the workings of it to them and power of it to operate in us by faith baptism is and always was performed in water the spirit comes from God in heaven that’s not a doctrine for us but a promise he made to believers

“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:35-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:44, 46-48‬ ‭

the only relevance to baptism is that God established water baptism for remission of sins and John was also filled with the Holy Ghost from the womb sent by God John the Baptist established the one baptism and Jesus later gave the holt ghost as John foretold

 

Magenta

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#45
The Spirit absolutely baptizes people but His medium is not water.
The Holy Spirit baptizes each believer into the Body of Christ.

”For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body…”

A nice reminder that He, the Spirit, determines our place in the Body. More importantly,
He determines how the church should receive another believer in the Spirit.

Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we
have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.”

Ephesians 4:5-6
:)
 

Nehemiah6

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#46
The Holy Spirit has NEVER baptized anyone.
So what do you make of this verse?

For by one [Holy] Spirit are we all baptized into one Body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one [Holy] Spirit. (1 Cor 12:13)

What is Paul telling us here? That while Christ is the Divine Baptizer who baptizes WITH the Holy Ghost [as stated by John the Baptizer] the Holy Spirit is the Divine Baptizer who baptizes, or immerses, or joins, or attaches every believer the the Body of Christ.

The two things happen simultaneously. Obviously you will need to retract your incorrect statement.
 

Dino246

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#47
I am certainly not looking for an argument, I don't need any kind of affirmation. There are a number of Biblical teachings (like grace, security, the Holy Spirit, the church, etc.) of which one lacking understanding lends oneself to other teaching that will not be understood. But if one gains understanding of these foundational teachings, then one may build onto them other teachings that may be understood.

In other words, if one understands that the Holy Spirit does not baptize anyone, one may better understand exactly what did happen on the day of Pentecost, etc. But if one doesn't understand this, they are not likely to understanding other teaching about the Holy Spirit.
I understand, and it sure looked like you were making an argument out of semantics. If you weren't, then fine.
 

Edify

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#48
Nothing there says immersion.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 907: βαπτίζω
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1. properly, to dip repeatedly, to immerge, submerge (of vessels sunk, Polybius 1, 51, 6; 8, 8, 4; of animals, Diodorus 1, 36).

2. to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water; in the middle and the 1 aorist passive to wash oneself, bathe; so Mark 7:4 (where WH text ῥαντισωνται); Luke 11:38 (2 Kings 5:14 ἐβαπτίσατο ἐν τῷ Ιορδάνῃ, for טָבַל; Sir. 31:30 (Sir. 34:30; Judith 12:7).

3. metaphorically, to overwhelm, as ἰδιωτας ταῖς ἐισφοραις, Diodorus 1, 73; ὀφλημασι, Plutarch, Galba 21; τῇ συμφορά βεβαπτισμενος, Heliodorus Aeth. 2, 3; and alone, to inflict great and abounding calamities on one: ἐβαπτισαν τήν πόλιν, Josephus, b. j. 4, 3, 3; ἡ ἀνομία με βαπτίζει, Isaiah 21:4 the Sept. hence, βαπτίζεσθαι βάπτισμα (cf. Winers Grammar, 225 (211); (Buttmann, 148 (129)); cf. λούεσθαι τό λουτρόν, Aelian de nat. an. 3, 42), to be overwhelmed with calamities, of those who must bear them, Matthew 20:22f Rec.; Mark 10:38; Luke 12:50 (cf. the German etwasauszubadenhaben, and the use of the word e. g. respecting those who cross a river with difficulty, ἕως τῶν μαστῶν οἱ πεζοί βαπτιζόμενοι διέβαινον, Polybius 3, 72, 4; (for examples see Sophocles' Lexicon under the word; also T. J. Conant, βαπτίζειν, its meaning and use, N. Y. 1864 (printed also as an Appendix to their revised version of the Gospel of Matthew by the American Bible Union); and especially four works by J. W. Dale entitled Classic, Judaic, Johannic, Christic, Baptism, Phil. 1867ff; D. B. Ford, Studies on the Bapt. Quest. (including a review of Dr. Dale's works), Bost. 1879)).

II. In the N. T. it is used particularly of the rite of sacred ablution, first instituted by John the Baptist, afterward by Christ's command received by Christians and adjusted to the contents and nature of their religion (see βάπτισμα, 3), viz., an immersion in water, performed as a sign of the removal of sin, and administered to those who, impelled by a desire for salvation, sought admission to the benefits of the Messiah's kingdom; (for patristic references respecting the mode, ministrant, subjects, etc. of the rite, cf. Sophocles Lexicon, under the word; Dict. of Chris. Antiq. under the word Baptism).
 

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#49
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 907: βαπτίζω
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1. properly, to dip repeatedly, to immerge, submerge (of vessels sunk, Polybius 1, 51, 6; 8, 8, 4; of animals, Diodorus 1, 36).

2. to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water; in the middle and the 1 aorist passive to wash oneself, bathe; so Mark 7:4 (where WH text ῥαντισωνται); Luke 11:38 (2 Kings 5:14 ἐβαπτίσατο ἐν τῷ Ιορδάνῃ, for טָבַל; Sir. 31:30 (Sir. 34:30; Judith 12:7).

3. metaphorically, to overwhelm, as ἰδιωτας ταῖς ἐισφοραις, Diodorus 1, 73; ὀφλημασι, Plutarch, Galba 21; τῇ συμφορά βεβαπτισμενος, Heliodorus Aeth. 2, 3; and alone, to inflict great and abounding calamities on one: ἐβαπτισαν τήν πόλιν, Josephus, b. j. 4, 3, 3; ἡ ἀνομία με βαπτίζει, Isaiah 21:4 the Sept. hence, βαπτίζεσθαι βάπτισμα (cf. Winers Grammar, 225 (211); (Buttmann, 148 (129)); cf. λούεσθαι τό λουτρόν, Aelian de nat. an. 3, 42), to be overwhelmed with calamities, of those who must bear them, Matthew 20:22f Rec.; Mark 10:38; Luke 12:50 (cf. the German etwasauszubadenhaben, and the use of the word e. g. respecting those who cross a river with difficulty, ἕως τῶν μαστῶν οἱ πεζοί βαπτιζόμενοι διέβαινον, Polybius 3, 72, 4; (for examples see Sophocles' Lexicon under the word; also T. J. Conant, βαπτίζειν, its meaning and use, N. Y. 1864 (printed also as an Appendix to their revised version of the Gospel of Matthew by the American Bible Union); and especially four works by J. W. Dale entitled Classic, Judaic, Johannic, Christic, Baptism, Phil. 1867ff; D. B. Ford, Studies on the Bapt. Quest. (including a review of Dr. Dale's works), Bost. 1879)).

II. In the N. T. it is used particularly of the rite of sacred ablution, first instituted by John the Baptist, afterward by Christ's command received by Christians and adjusted to the contents and nature of their religion (see βάπτισμα, 3), viz., an immersion in water, performed as a sign of the removal of sin, and administered to those who, impelled by a desire for salvation, sought admission to the benefits of the Messiah's kingdom; (for patristic references respecting the mode, ministrant, subjects, etc. of the rite, cf. Sophocles Lexicon, under the word; Dict. of Chris. Antiq. under the word Baptism).
Keep digging. It's still not there.
 

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#51
Inquiring minds want to know, but it's obvious you're not one of them.:)
Quote the contrary. I've studied this in depth. I also used to believe in immersion only. It's you who are unwilling to put aside your bias.
 

Edify

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Quote the contrary. I've studied this in depth. I also used to believe in immersion only. It's you who are unwilling to put aside your bias.
You didn't finish the sentence..... & put aside my Bible, and my commentaries, and my lexicon.:)
 

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#54
SO go ahead and "Sprinkle" if that's your church's paradigm.

Baptism isn't salvific, and it's not a "Sacrament" ("Sacraments" are a Roman Catholic Fiction), only an ordinance. Biblically people were Baptized AFTER they were Born again.

Since God looks upon the heart, the actual mechanical details of the practice aren't all that important, as long as the person being baptized has been Born again of the Holy Spirit when they're dunked.

A local church here in the Dallas area baptized 130 people a few Sundays ago. They advertised it as a "Splash Party", and had two tanks going simultaneously to get it all done in a timely fashion. There were two people just running Towels.
 

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SO go ahead and "Sprinkle" if that's your church's paradigm.

Baptism isn't salvific, and it's not a "Sacrament" ("Sacraments" are a Roman Catholic Fiction), only an ordinance. Biblically people were Baptized AFTER they were Born again.

Since God looks upon the heart, the actual mechanical details of the practice aren't all that important, as long as the person being baptized has been Born again of the Holy Spirit when they're dunked.

A local church here in the Dallas area baptized 130 people a few Sundays ago. They advertised it as a "Splash Party", and had two tanks going simultaneously to get it all done in a timely fashion. There were two people just running Towels.
I was baptized by immersion a long time ago, not that that's relevant.
 

Bob-Carabbio

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I was baptized by immersion a long time ago, not that that's relevant.
So was I. I was Born again on a Wednesday night at home, and Baptized by immersion in the three names, the following Sunday evening. The Baptists like to get you dunked in a hurry.

Paranthetic: My wife was baptized by immersion in October outside in a lake in Massachusetts when it was 40 degrees. they served us hot chocolate after. BUT the baptism was done by an "Assembly of God" Pastor, so she couldn't join a Baptist Church without being re-baptized by a Baptist minister. "Theology" - you GOTTA LOVE IT!!!!
 

Edify

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SO go ahead and "Sprinkle" if that's your church's paradigm.

Baptism isn't salvific, and it's not a "Sacrament" ("Sacraments" are a Roman Catholic Fiction), only an ordinance. Biblically people were Baptized AFTER they were Born again.

Since God looks upon the heart, the actual mechanical details of the practice aren't all that important, as long as the person being baptized has been Born again of the Holy Spirit when they're dunked.

A local church here in the Dallas area baptized 130 people a few Sundays ago. They advertised it as a "Splash Party", and had two tanks going simultaneously to get it all done in a timely fashion. There were two people just running Towels.
A church I left recently sold their church & bought a commercial building. The "pastor" made the statement that he didn't want to 'continue' someone else's work, so he renamed the church & called it a "new work".
Just last week he had a baptism service where he was the first one baptized, because of starting his "new work". He had several old members to get re-baptized for the same reason.
It seems there's more baptisms for the wrong reasons than for the right ones. Anything to look good on the church records to their denomination.:rolleyes:
 
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True Baptism is by immersion only. Anything else is heresy.

Matthew 3:13-17

13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

How can you come straightway out of the water unless you are fully immersed in it.
 

Edify

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How can you come straightway out of the water unless you are fully immersed in it.
This is a simple sentence with a simple meaning. Straightway means immediately. It just means He immediately got out of the water.
Yes Jesus was fully immersed, but getting out immediately has nothing to do with it. Sorry.
 
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This is a simple sentence with a simple meaning. Straightway means immediately. It just means He immediately got out of the water.
Yes Jesus was fully immersed, but getting out immediately has nothing to do with it. Sorry.
I thought the question in tow was if baptism is by immersion.