Israel Declares War

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HeIsHere

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the fact that Hamas's strategy includes using its civilian population as meat shields knowing that inevitable retaliation by the IDF for Hamas terrorism and acts of war will result in an humanitarian crisis, makes the resulting humanitarian crisis one which has been manufactured by the aggressor.
So then you do not anything about Gaza.
 

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In a manner of speaking. Unfortunately the Zionist Movement chose to be secular. But you are correct in that Zion on earth has been chosen by God
Yes secular. Kind of. For now. But not later.
 

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So then you do not anything about Gaza.
The Gazans CAN definitely do something.
Flee that worn torn region in order to save their lives.
Hanging around so they can be featured on CNN makes no sense whatsoever if you are sane.

If I had my own family and children there I would be gone gone gone long gone.
 

PennEd

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I know the amils will say it isn't, but this is in fact what is being supported by not supporting Israel, who is on the front line of this satanic evil:

 

HeIsHere

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Shame on the ill informed who support ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Truth will come out.

One baby killed on October 7th, how many in Gaza, oh right they are human shields because babies can make that choice.

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Absolutely false. Furthermore when Paul speaks about Jews and Israelites in Romans he speaking about the Sons of Jacob. And when he speaks of anyone else Paul uses the term gentiles. Unfailingly........in all of his writings.

THREE TIMES Paul makes the same declaration (Rom 1:16, Rom 2:9, Rom 2:10):
"Jew first and also of the gentile"

This is meant to reinforce the clear distinction BETWEEN the two groups.

This obviously intentional precedent is followed throughout scripture by Jesus (Matt 15:26 etc) and the apostles preaching campaign.

Oh and by the way when Paul speaks about the "Israel of God" in Gal 6:16, Paul yet again makes a distinction between the two groups. The "Israel of God" are all believing sons of Jacob.....Jewish converts who believe that Jesus is their Messiah.
Easily refuted. Just read the first verses of Romans. "To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints". No mention of "Only the believing sons of Jacob", or whatever other geneological-cult-based beliefs you had in mind.

Romans 1:1-7
Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Also note Jesus' words to those Pharisees claiming Abraham as their father.

John 8:39-44
They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
 
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i know for sure that @Moses_Young uses the disagree response on facts he doesn't like, not necessarily on things he is able to say are incorrect.

i suspect the same for @HeIsHere
I use the disagree response usually when it would be a waste of words bothering to argue, as either myself or someone else has already refuted the fallacy a number of times previously, or else the claim is so obviously wrong, it should not have been brought to the table in the first place.

Sometimes, I will rate an answer as incorrect for dishonesty - for example, if I say "Bill Gates is an evil crook", and someone responds with "Bill Gates is a philanthropist" or "At least he's not as bad as Trump" or other such stupidity. The claims might be technically true, but they aim to sidestep the issue at hand by changing the subject to something else.
 
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Question:
Are they actually teaching the doctrine of replacement theology (or that Israel has been permanently kicked to the curb) in this Church that you attend?

If so I would beat a hasty retreat
I'm not sure where you keep getting this claim of "replacement theology" from. Are Christians grafted in, or not? Or do you believe there are two vines?

I'd be sooner beating a hasty retreat in a church that tries to make out Jews are somehow saved by nature of their ancestry rather than by the blood of Jesus myself. You may claim that's extreme, but this is ultimately where (Rothschild) Zionism leads. John Hagee is an example.
 
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History does repeat, but moreso in the butchery of thousands of innocent civilians, than the finding of one of Hitler's old books in somebody's home. I know which crime all of those murdered civilians would have preferred.
 

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History does repeat, but moreso in the butchery of thousands of innocent civilians, than the finding of one of Hitler's old books in somebody's home. I know which crime all of those murdered civilians would have preferred.
Amazing how that book appeared out to the rubble when they are unable to retrieve many of the dead bodies. :unsure:
 

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I use the disagree response usually when it would be a waste of words bothering to argue, as either myself or someone else has already refuted the fallacy a number of times previously, or else the claim is so obviously wrong, it should not have been brought to the table in the first place.

Sometimes, I will rate an answer as incorrect for dishonesty - for example, if I say "Bill Gates is an evil crook", and someone responds with "Bill Gates is a philanthropist" or "At least he's not as bad as Trump" or other such stupidity. The claims might be technically true, but they aim to sidestep the issue at hand by changing the subject to something else.

Mo have you ever heard of Dr.Warner. I had been thinking on him recently. I had added him to my FB page and somehow it got lost in the shuffle. I believe @ Magenta might know who I am speaking of. He is an expert on Islam and their beliefs.

 

cv5

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I'm not sure where you keep getting this claim of "replacement theology" from. Are Christians grafted in, or not? Or do you believe there are two vines?

I'd be sooner beating a hasty retreat in a church that tries to make out Jews are somehow saved by nature of their ancestry rather than by the blood of Jesus myself. You may claim that's extreme, but this is ultimately where (Rothschild) Zionism leads. John Hagee is an example.
If you actually understood the intentional types of Joseph and his brothers and Joshua and the gibeonites you would know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the ethnic sons of Jacob will be redeemed yet future.

In both cases, (Joshua and Joseph being types of Christ) there is a salvation that only occurs at the SECOND interchange/interaction.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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I'm not sure where you keep getting this claim of "replacement theology" from. Are Christians grafted in, or not? Or do you believe there are two vines?

I'd be sooner beating a hasty retreat in a church that tries to make out Jews are somehow saved by nature of their ancestry rather than by the blood of Jesus myself. You may claim that's extreme, but this is ultimately where (Rothschild) Zionism leads. John Hagee is an example.

I've said it before, I see now others have said it, God is a Zionist when it comes to the land. Not all the political mush. But when it comes to the land of Israel, yes. John Hagee acknowledges Jews the way Romans says to. What's wrong with that, or did I miss something?
 

PennEd

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Even at the very end, or very beginning if you will, God makes a distinction between Old Testament saints and New Testament saints.

AND, includes them BOTH inscribed on the Holy City.


Revelation 21:12-14

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12 Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 three gates on the east, three gates on the north, three gates on the south, and three gates on the west.
14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
 

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All war is theological.

As Christians our NT view handed down to us from the Lord Jesus and the apostles is that we are fighting a spiritual warfare, this is not our home, the gospel is you don't need to be ruled by Satan. You can embrace Jesus Christ, the prince of peace. If you live by the sword you die by the sword. The entire world is heading to Armageddon and now is the day to repent and turn to Jesus.

Islam sees all war as a jihad, a holy war. They don't believe in the NT or the truth. They believe in killing infidels, there is no gospel, their message is join us or die.

Jews see this as a holy war, their identity as a people is tied to this land in Israel. True, there is a very large group of wimpy Jews who do not see this, but at least 50% of Jews do tie their identity as a people to the land. The holocaust still informs much of their policy, they would rather take a stand and die in Israel than compromise and allow another holocaust.

Then there are the pagans in America, Europe and the rest of the world. They are like a boat without a keel, being blown all over the place depending on which direction the wind blows the hardest. Islam has no respect for people like this, likewise the Zionist Jews have no respect for them either, and Christians who are one with the fellowship of the apostles see these ones as those living in darkness.
 

PennEd

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Israel winning. But of course those that don’t want to believe the truth will simply not believe.