Israel Declares War

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cv5

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Hamas are holed up in tunnels like the Viet Cong did in Vietnam
So rather than bombing Gaza and killing innocent civilians, maybe a siege would be more effective
Eventually they would have two options, surrender or starve
There is a lot of reaping what was being sowed in Gaza right now.
 

cv5

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Hamas isn't nearly as well trained as the IDF. And Israeli special forces are as elite as their American counterparts.
The person you are quoting shows his bias in the first paragraph. He isn't giving a professional opinion. He is giving an emotional diatribe similar to many here.
Ritter is a sensationalist hack sowing clickbait.
 

cv5

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Ritter aside, we are all still waiting for your exegetical treatment of those passages I provided.

My position: that those passages refer to the FUTURE repentance of Israel (a prophetically predicted reaction to the time of Jacobs trouble), which occurs contemporaneously with the Second Coming. And one event is the trigger for the other.
 

HeIsHere

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Ritter is a sensationalist hack sowing clickbait.
Of course just like all the other who do not conform to your narrative.

Ad hominem tells me a lot, yes it is indeed very hard to have our suppositions rattled so let's discount the info all together.
 

cv5

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indeed very hard to have our suppositions rattled
You have yet to rattle them. I mean....you haven't even tried.

If, on the other hand, you could offer some brilliant exegesis regarding those OT passages, then you might have a shot.

But I doubt it.....:rolleyes:
 

HeIsHere

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Ritter aside, we are all still waiting for your exegetical treatment of those passages I provided.

My position: that those passages refer to the FUTURE repentance of Israel (a prophetically predicted reaction to the time of Jacobs trouble), which occurs contemporaneously with the Second Coming. And one event is the trigger for the other.
Listen, Jesus knew all the words spoken by the prophets and every word ever spoke by the Jews in the OT .. yet He was very clear with one simple word you cannot defeat.
YOU

“Who warned you to flee from the wrath about to come?” (Matt. 3:7)

“From now on, you [Caiaphas, the chief priests, the scribes, the elders, the whole Sanhedrin] shall be seeing the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.” (Matt. 26:64; Mk. 14:62; Lk. 22:69)

“Daughters of Jerusalem, stop weeping for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. For behold, the days are coming when they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never nursed.’ Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us.’” (Lk. 23:28-30; Compare Rev. 6:14-17)

“Now these things …were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.” (I Cor. 10:11)

So first I will stick with the words of Jesus and understand the OT accordingly.

And I am not going to engage in YOUR click bait, cause if you really wanted to search out the truth there are very solid preachers/teachers who can exegete all scripture.
The question is are you brave enough? I was dipsy once too.



But that is not really what you are after.
 

HeIsHere

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You have yet to rattle them. I mean....you haven't even tried.

If, on the other hand, you could offer some brilliant exegesis regarding those OT passages, then you might have a shot.

But I doubt it.....:rolleyes:
You know I cannot even be offended by you, cause I understand why you rail against it.
 
Talk is cheap. Pack your bags head down to Gaza and.......do something.


Oh, sweet pee, I am.

Come to think of it I would venture to guess that Hamas would be paying a pretty penny for your mercenary services. Despite your age and dotage.
How did you find this out, is there a mole upon us?
Just make sure your life insurance policy is paid up before you leave
It is, I just hope for you that yours is too.
 

cv5

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Listen, Jesus knew all the words spoken by the prophets and every word ever spoke by the Jews in the OT .. yet He was very clear with one simple word you cannot defeat.
YOU

“Who warned you to flee from the wrath about to come?” (Matt. 3:7)

“From now on, you [Caiaphas, the chief priests, the scribes, the elders, the whole Sanhedrin] shall be seeing the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.” (Matt. 26:64; Mk. 14:62; Lk. 22:69)

“Daughters of Jerusalem, stop weeping for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. For behold, the days are coming when they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never nursed.’ Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us.’” (Lk. 23:28-30; Compare Rev. 6:14-17)

“Now these things …were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.” (I Cor. 10:11)
I remain entirely dismayed that your clumsy, errant, ignorant, unconvincing, incongruous and ineffective attempts at exegesis have no value whatsoever.

Still.....where there is life there is hope.
 

cv5

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Oh, sweet pee, I am.


How did you find this out, is there a mole upon us?

It is, I just hope for you that yours is too.
Have fun buddy. Maybe watch a few John Wayne WW2 movies for a warm-up?
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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God is talking to Abraham here. We who believe in the resurrected Christ for salvation are Abraham's descendants. The ones you are defending are those murdering some of Abraham's descendants.
You and I are grafted in. We do not replace the Jews.

Romans 11 -
17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.


22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!




Old Testament. I'd argue the Jerusalem there is the spiritual Jerusalem, the same as the Israel of God Paul writes of in the New Testament. However, even if not, I doubt the future godless occupiers of physical Jerusalem murdering civilians in Gaza is what the Psalmist had in mind when he wrote this.
Why would you pray for peace of a spiritual place? No, it is a real place. And you can doubt if you wish, but that is exactly who is being talked about. Time after time God calls the Jews to repentance, He has never stopped calling nor loving them. The Jews have been blinded for a time. You see what you want to see because of your bias. God promised the land to the Jews and He will keep that promise or God is a liar and you and I haven't a hope of heaven.

Look at the verse before.
Zechariah 2:7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.
Even if this passage is applicable to the present day, how do we know that the Babylonian Talmudists (who call themselves Jews) are not the daughter of Babylon the prophet is warning against?
I don't see anything that indicates that. We are talking about a place that God loves, Israel, and a people He loves and called out. Like the prodigal son, they will come home. Right now they are the wayward child.



Look again at who God is talking to - the seed of Abraham - all believers.
Isaiah 41:8 - 10
But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.
Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away.
Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.
He's talking to Israel, to the Jew first, then the Gentiles. You, we, are grafted in. The promise to them hasn't changed. There is coming a day when God will defeat any who come against Israel. The land is a promise. God said He would gather them and they will never be uprooted again.


I think most Christians do. It's just I and many other Christians take God's word on who Israel is, and who the true Jews are, over unbelieving, blaspheming liars who might claim to be so (but who are not). I thought Revelation might have given you a clue.

Those "unbelieving, blaspheming liars" are the remnant you are talking about. The ones Romans 11 says are blinded for a time, but will be restored. I believe what the Word says, I don't put the cart ahead of the horse. I know what the Word says. I hope one day you will too.
 

Smoke

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Israel has the most prepared military in the world because they are always under threat. As well, they have the most advanced military equipment, much from the US.
So I've heard, yet it took 7 hours to respond to Hamas breaching the borders and paratroopers massacring 1200 Israelis on Oct 7th while allegedly being informed of the attack in advance. CC's new favorite news source, CNN, allegedly was there ready and waiting for it to happen so they could report.

I agree with you though. They are the most prepared, so I'm curious, if this info is true, why did Israel just sit an chill for Hamas to do it's worst before responding? I know this question is irrelevant to you right now.
 

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So I've heard, yet it took 7 hours to respond to Hamas breaching the borders and paratroopers massacring 1200 Israelis on Oct 7th while allegedly being informed of the attack in advance. CC's new favorite news source, CNN, allegedly was there ready and waiting for it to happen so they could report.

I agree with you though. They are the most prepared, so I'm curious, if this info is true, why did Israel just sit an chill for Hamas to do it's worst before responding? I know this question is irrelevant to you right now.
It's worth considering, but won't provide a solution. It's obvious to me that they wanted a reason to destroy Hamas.
 

Smoke

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The bombing is to degrade their military capabilities.
They are certainly doing that. Degrade (blow up) thousands of children while "targeting" Hamas is two birds with one stone:

First Bird: Kill a few Hamas terrorists and artillery if successful.
Second Bird: Degrade (blow up) children to either kill them or injure them so they are incapable of retaliating in the future.

I'm curious if the $250 billion oil sitting in Gaza and the Ben Gurion Canal will be birds number 3 and 4. :unsure::unsure::unsure:
 

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Israel may win on the ground but they will have lost in many other ways.

People are aware of their crimes, they will be forced into a two state solution of they will continue to escalate in which case there will be a regional war, one I doubt they will win.
LOL, Psalm 83 --> Ezekiel 38 --> Ezekiel 39 -- > Armageddon where the entire world unites against Israel. 2/3 die, but in the end they win when Jesus comes to save.
 

Cameron143

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They are certainly doing that. Degrade (blow up) thousands of children while "targeting" Hamas is two birds with one stone:

First Bird: Kill a few Hamas terrorists and artillery if successful.
Second Bird: Degrade (blow up) children to either kill them or injure them so they are incapable of retaliating in the future.

I'm curious if the $250 billion oil sitting in Gaza and the Ben Gurion Canal will be birds number 3 and 4. :unsure::unsure::unsure:
The cynical view is noted. Money and natural resources is often an underlying reason for war.