Lost salvation or name not in the book
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whoa, whoa! an oxymoron is just a pairing of words that appear mutually exclusive. like, jumbo shrimp, civil war, old news. from Greek "oxys" meaning sharp and "moronos" meaning dull. they're opposites.
@Mem was not being insulting to anyone or calling anyone stupid.
she was referring to the use of "lost saved". the words don't go together.
@Mem was not being insulting to anyone or calling anyone stupid.
she was referring to the use of "lost saved". the words don't go together.
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The verses I brought up illustrate the lost knowing that God exists but refuse to acknowledge Him as God, and if they persist on rejecting him, He gives them over to their reprobate mind, which is a mindset that resists the truth. It does not mean that they were once probate and then are "re" probated, it's an entire word with a definition of its own.
Paul refers to those that are reprobate in Titus 1:16, "They profess that they know God; but in works they deny Him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." It literally means, "unapproved, that is, rejected; by implication, worthless (literally or morally)."
If we are saved, we become new and are given the mind of Christ, and the mind of Christ does not resist, let alone reject, the mind of Christ.
you can either have a reprobate mind or the mind of Christ, and it is an oxymoron to claim that anyone can possess both.
Paul refers to those that are reprobate in Titus 1:16, "They profess that they know God; but in works they deny Him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." It literally means, "unapproved, that is, rejected; by implication, worthless (literally or morally)."
If we are saved, we become new and are given the mind of Christ, and the mind of Christ does not resist, let alone reject, the mind of Christ.
you can either have a reprobate mind or the mind of Christ, and it is an oxymoron to claim that anyone can possess both.
If you want to understand this passage of scripture a bit better, start reading at Romans 1:18 and read until [at least] Romans 2:5 - all of the verses in between being taken together.
It is not at all about a saved individual becoming lost; rather, it is about a group of people - the human race as a whole - collectively - throughout the centuries and millenia - how we have given up God to seek after our own evil workings.
Secondarily, it is about (I believe) what people today like to call the 'deep state' - which is merely a culmination of the first general group into the second specific group. These people have nothing but evil in their hearts and minds and "drive" the world into chaos and confusion in order to accomplish their own nefarious agenda - the final result of which is what is referred to as the New World Order.
It is talking about those who willfully take part in the things listed in the verses and upon whom will fall the Wrath of God.
This is a "big picture in God's time frame" passage of scripture. It is looking at the whole forest and not just a single tree.
It is not at all about a saved individual becoming lost; rather, it is about a group of people - the human race as a whole - collectively - throughout the centuries and millenia - how we have given up God to seek after our own evil workings.
Secondarily, it is about (I believe) what people today like to call the 'deep state' - which is merely a culmination of the first general group into the second specific group. These people have nothing but evil in their hearts and minds and "drive" the world into chaos and confusion in order to accomplish their own nefarious agenda - the final result of which is what is referred to as the New World Order.
It is talking about those who willfully take part in the things listed in the verses and upon whom will fall the Wrath of God.
This is a "big picture in God's time frame" passage of scripture. It is looking at the whole forest and not just a single tree.
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In other words, it is referring to and talking about those who take pleasure in doing evil (and those who follow them) both on a 'general' human history scale as well as a [more] 'specific' end-times scale at the same time in two different 'levels' of understanding.
The people this passage is referring to - as individuals - have never been saved - nor will they ever be - they are the 'lost lost'.
The people this passage is referring to - as individuals - have never been saved - nor will they ever be - they are the 'lost lost'.
God says that faith comes by hearing , and hearing by the word of God. (Rom. 10:17, Gal. 3:2-5) And that God will keep in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on Him Is. 26:3, Ph'p 4: 5-9, Rom. 12: 1-2).
The world, the flesh and the devil therefore work to keep us away from engaging with the scriptures and from spending time contemplating the beauty of the nature, character and ways of God. If they can achieve this we will lose faith in Jesus Christ and our mind will be in anxious turmoil.
When we are being formed in the womb our names are written in the book (Ps. 139:15-16) of the Lamb who from the foundation of the world was destined to be slain (Rev. 13:8) . They are blotted out if we die without being been reckoned righteous by faith. As long as we are breathing, our name is in His book and we have time to begin believing God and die believing God.
I know I an saved because of God's promise to save whosoever is believing on the Son. And I am believing on the Son right now. How do I know the promises of scripture are from God? One day I was meditating on the gnana yoga question, "Who am I?" when, eyes closed, I saw a vision of a man I identified in my mind as Jesus Christ. He was shining in white robes and standing on the globe of the earth, his arms outstretched among the stars, and He said, "I created all this. It belongs to Me."
After I came out of my trance, I said to God, "If Jesus is who the bible says he is and the Bible is the only book I need to study to understand how to live my life, that makes things very simple for me. So, if the first people I stay with when I go hitch-hiking are born again Christians, I will take that a sign from you that Jesus is who the bible says he is and the Bible is the only book I need to study to understand how to live my life. A few weeks later, on day two of my journey, I was invited by a pair of men I met quite by chance to stay overnight where they were being housed.... alng with 40 other born again Christians. A few days later I met one of those men again and something in our conversation reminded me of my previous prayer. So, O bought a bible and started to read it and attend a local church. I have been a Jesus follower ever since , even though it became clear over time that my understanding of the Bible on many points has often been diametrically opposed to that of many other Christians. And my own understanding has changed on many points as I have studied the word and heard other interpretations of passages. Fortunately we are not saved by believing in perfect doctrine, but by trusting in the perfect Saviour and Lord. and seeking to follow Him.
The world, the flesh and the devil therefore work to keep us away from engaging with the scriptures and from spending time contemplating the beauty of the nature, character and ways of God. If they can achieve this we will lose faith in Jesus Christ and our mind will be in anxious turmoil.
When we are being formed in the womb our names are written in the book (Ps. 139:15-16) of the Lamb who from the foundation of the world was destined to be slain (Rev. 13:8) . They are blotted out if we die without being been reckoned righteous by faith. As long as we are breathing, our name is in His book and we have time to begin believing God and die believing God.
I know I an saved because of God's promise to save whosoever is believing on the Son. And I am believing on the Son right now. How do I know the promises of scripture are from God? One day I was meditating on the gnana yoga question, "Who am I?" when, eyes closed, I saw a vision of a man I identified in my mind as Jesus Christ. He was shining in white robes and standing on the globe of the earth, his arms outstretched among the stars, and He said, "I created all this. It belongs to Me."
After I came out of my trance, I said to God, "If Jesus is who the bible says he is and the Bible is the only book I need to study to understand how to live my life, that makes things very simple for me. So, if the first people I stay with when I go hitch-hiking are born again Christians, I will take that a sign from you that Jesus is who the bible says he is and the Bible is the only book I need to study to understand how to live my life. A few weeks later, on day two of my journey, I was invited by a pair of men I met quite by chance to stay overnight where they were being housed.... alng with 40 other born again Christians. A few days later I met one of those men again and something in our conversation reminded me of my previous prayer. So, O bought a bible and started to read it and attend a local church. I have been a Jesus follower ever since , even though it became clear over time that my understanding of the Bible on many points has often been diametrically opposed to that of many other Christians. And my own understanding has changed on many points as I have studied the word and heard other interpretations of passages. Fortunately we are not saved by believing in perfect doctrine, but by trusting in the perfect Saviour and Lord. and seeking to follow Him.
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That is twisting what I said just a little. If you are saved and you keep your faith and repented heart until the Day of Lord Eternal Life is yours to enjoy. But if you willfully sin and walk away from God and continued with an unrepented heart and die in that state, you are separated from God Eternally. Sin cannot abide in Heaven.
Revelation 21:27: "But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life."
This verse explicitly states that nothing unclean, including sin, will be allowed into heaven. Only those who are redeemed by Jesus Christ and have their names inscribed in the Lamb's book of life will be granted access to heaven's purity.
Revelation 21:27: "But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life."
This verse explicitly states that nothing unclean, including sin, will be allowed into heaven. Only those who are redeemed by Jesus Christ and have their names inscribed in the Lamb's book of life will be granted access to heaven's purity.
Respectfully, Because of:
Christ's ALL-Sufficient Work On The Cross!
All who trust Him Have His Eternal Life:
God's OPERATION On All New-born babes In Christ!
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God's Eternal Life Assurance
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God's Eternal Life Insurance
However, not All will 'be faithful' but some/many will "lose rewards"
(1 Corinthians 3:8-15)
Amen.
Christ's ALL-Sufficient Work On The Cross!
All who trust Him Have His Eternal Life:
God's OPERATION On All New-born babes In Christ!
+
God's Eternal Life Assurance
+
God's Eternal Life Insurance
However, not All will 'be faithful' but some/many will "lose rewards"
(1 Corinthians 3:8-15)
Amen.