Israel Declares War

[ZNP]

Unless I'm mistaken, I think Japan, today, is more anti-war and more pro-self defense. I would love to know their opinion on blowing up more civilian children than actual Hamas terrorists constitutes "self-defense". I know some here make that case... I adamantly disagree.

Their recent history includes both the Rape of Nanking and Hiroshima. I wouldn't be surprised if they decided they didn't want to be thrust in the middle of this thing.

 

[Cameron143]

Unless I'm mistaken, I think Japan, today, is more anti-war and more pro-self defense. I would love to know their opinion on blowing up more civilian children than actual Hamas terrorists constitutes "self-defense". I know some here make that case... I adamantly disagree.

The defense isn't self defense, but necessity to avoid more and greater future deaths. Anyone with a military background realizes the great restraint that is being exercised.

 

[Magenta]

The defense isn't self defense, but necessity to avoid more and greater future deaths.
Anyone with a military background realizes the great restraint that is being exercised.

"Hello, Hamas? This is IDF calling to let you know we will be bombing
you at two o'clock this afternoon. Please be prepared. Thank you!"

 

[cv5]

Yes, the attrition rate of murdered men, woman and children has been high and if bobo gets his way he will have his goon squad murder them all.


Yes, murder all the men, woman and children.
After all the IDF used its sniper teams to murder Palestinian children so this is nothing new for cold blooded killers.

Talk is cheap. Pack your bags head down to Gaza and.......do something. Come to think of it I would venture to guess that Hamas would be paying a pretty penny for your mercenary services. Despite your age and dotage.

Just make sure your life insurance policy is paid up before you leave.

 

[Smoke]

The defense isn't self defense, but necessity to avoid more and greater future deaths. Anyone with a military background realizes the great restraint that is being exercised.

This is the key dispute. This is the conversation we need to have. Some people agree, some people disagree. As long as we are on the same page the majority of people aren't "supporting Hamas" for objecting to how Israel is "targeting" Hamas. We are disagreeing on how TO get rid of them.

There are extra conversations to be had like the war crimes Israel was committing prior to Oct 7th though. People tend to not want to engage with me about it. I'm curious who opposes the settling on occupied land in the West Bank and East Jerusalem which is considered an international war crime. It's crickets when that secondary discussion gets brought up though.

 

[cv5]

This is the key dispute. This is the conversation we need to have. Some people agree, some people disagree. As long as we are on the same page the majority of people aren't "supporting Hamas" for objecting to how Israel is "targeting" Hamas. We are disagreeing on how TO get rid of them.

There are extra conversations to be had like the war crimes Israel was committing prior to Oct 7th though. People tend to not want to engage with me about it. I'm curious who opposes the settling on occupied land in the West Bank and East Jerusalem which is considered an international war crime. It's crickets when that secondary discussion gets brought up though.

All conjecture and debate is made moot in consideration of the abject reality of biblical prophecy.
The future is already written out in the florid detail. It's just a matter of time now. And not much of it.

 

[Cameron143]

This is the key dispute. This is the conversation we need to have. Some people agree, some people disagree. As long as we are on the same page the majority of people aren't "supporting Hamas" for objecting to how Israel is "targeting" Hamas. We are disagreeing on how TO get rid of them.

There are extra conversations to be had like the war crimes Israel was committing prior to Oct 7th though. People tend to not want to engage with me about it. I'm curious who opposes the settling on occupied land in the West Bank and East Jerusalem which is considered an international war crime. It's crickets when that secondary discussion gets brought up though.

That's just the reality of discussions on a public forum...people like to settle one issue before attempting another.

 

[ByTheGraceOfGod]

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I for one, trust (but not without caution to refrain from doing so in all entireties in regard to the counsel of men) and always look forward to Max's commentary.

Yes, Max always gives a very thoughtful and solid response. I think I have agree with him in most things all these years I have been here. But between you, me and the doorpost I always Max was well over my head in learning. I have always felt I had nothing more or good I could add. lol I'm not trying to flatter, just an honest open opinion, I have always appreciated Max's posts whether we always came to same conclusion or not.

 

[Mem]

Max was well over my head in learning.

He checks the soundness of all claims, and can tell you better than I can, that if we had to choose between validity and soundness, which one would be preferable over the other. I'd have to review that lesson a few more times to get that straightened out.

 

[Nehemiah6]

November 8, 2023
Hamas leaders are billionaires, rolling in the dough
Can someone explain to the rest of us why the leaders of Hamas, the world's evilest terrorist organization which has just murdered 1,400 innocent people, are actual billionaires living their best lives in Qatar?
https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...rs_are_billionaires_rolling_in_the_dough.html

 

[Nehemiah6]

We are disagreeing on how TO get rid of them.

Really? There is only one way to get rid of terrorists.

TOTAL WAR TO THE FINISH. YOU DO NOT TAKE PRISONERS IN THIS WAR.

 

[Moses_Young]

Ask yourself weather the Gazans know perfectly well that there are hundreds of miles of tunnels within that tiny postage stamp of that area they reside in (they exist for the sole purpose of safely harboring Hamas, from where they can launch attacks).

Then yourself if you would continue today to live in such an area as that, with full knowledge of the nefarious activities going on underground there.

Regardless of the sentiments or political affiliation any sane individual would leave ASAP. Pack your bags vamoose out of Dodge to save yourself and your family.

Lingering in the crossfire is irrational and insane. And quite frankly irresponsible and blameworthy. Dying as a human shield for Hamas is just plain stupid.

All I can say is that it's ironic that many of those who were so opposed to the vaxx mandates and unwanted (and useless and evil) government interventions are all of a sudden so supportive of the same type of (useless and evil) government interventions on those who don't want it in Israel/Palestine.

If there's a virus - good - but why should people give up their freedoms because of something the government believes in? Exactly the same deal with Hamas. If the government (state of Israel) all of a sudden want to deal with terrorists, fine, but if they kill innocent civilians as they have, it's exactly the same war crime and crimes against humanity as occurred during the covid lockdowns and vaxx mandates. The only legitimate way to deal with criminals is targeting only the criminals. Anything else makes one as bad as the criminals one is allegedly dealing with, and actually justifies many of the claims made by the first bunch of criminals.

 

[cv5]

All I can say is that it's ironic that many of those who were so opposed to the vaxx mandates and unwanted (and useless and evil) government interventions are all of a sudden so supportive of the same type of (useless and evil) government interventions on those who don't want it in Israel/Palestine.

If there's a virus - good - but why should people give up their freedoms because of something the government believes in? Exactly the same deal with Hamas. If the government (state of Israel) all of a sudden want to deal with terrorists, fine, but if they kill innocent civilians as they have, it's exactly the same war crime and crimes against humanity as occurred during the covid lockdowns and vaxx mandates. The only legitimate way to deal with criminals is targeting only the criminals. Anything else makes one as bad as the criminals one is allegedly dealing with, and actually justifies many of the claims made by the first bunch of criminals.

War crimes are being committed (by both sides), therefore Hamas must be allowed to survive and thrive.

Sorry.....you lost me there.

 

[Ruby123]

All I can say is that it's ironic that many of those who were so opposed to the vaxx mandates and unwanted (and useless and evil) government interventions are all of a sudden so supportive of the same type of (useless and evil) government interventions on those who don't want it in Israel/Palestine.

If there's a virus - good - but why should people give up their freedoms because of something the government believes in? Exactly the same deal with Hamas. If the government (state of Israel) all of a sudden want to deal with terrorists, fine, but if they kill innocent civilians as they have, it's exactly the same war crime and crimes against humanity as occurred during the covid lockdowns and vaxx mandates. The only legitimate way to deal with criminals is targeting only the criminals. Anything else makes one as bad as the criminals one is allegedly dealing with, and actually justifies many of the claims made by the first bunch of criminals.

Dont worry Mo, if there is another virus we have gotten rid of McGowen only to replace him with

 

[ZNP]

Israel Destroying ‘Biggest Terror Base Ever Built’ | CBN NewsWatch November 8, 2023

 

[cv5]

November 8, 2023
Hamas leaders are billionaires, rolling in the dough
Can someone explain to the rest of us why the leaders of Hamas, the world's evilest terrorist organization which has just murdered 1,400 innocent people, are actual billionaires living their best lives in Qatar?
https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...rs_are_billionaires_rolling_in_the_dough.html

That the rumor. Gazans need to wake up and smell the coffee. And quit wasting their lives.

 

[ZNP]

War crimes are being committed (by both sides), therefore Hamas must be allowed to survive and thrive.

Sorry.....you lost me there.

Maybe I can explain.

Let's say you are against the horror of the death penalty. Interestingly you're wanting to do away with the death penalty is fully aligned with the opinion of many serial killers in prison.

 

[HeIsHere]

We don't see it as ruthless.

This is where you are being naive.

 

[HeIsHere]

Well, I guess that it's enough that you don't see it in yourself... was just wondering and I hope it didn't offend.

A small example, since you asked... it seems to me that you constantly/consistently refer to the IDF actions as blowing up civilians, while I guess that it's technically accurate, that isn't (imho) their goal at all... and it comes across (to me, anyway) as overly emotional and designed to elicit guilt in whomever you're responding to.

We all get the innocents are dying. Personally, I see it as tragic... I think that most others do too. But it saturates virtually every posting of yours. I just don't know how it can be avoided... and I, somewhat have Anabaptist leanings on the subject. Nevertheless, when wars are fought people, innocent people, die... been that way since the beginning.

But the histrionics seems to come into play when after we have explained our position, you continue on as if we haven't heard you or understood you. And keep saying, Innocents are being killed... ruthlessly.
We don't see it as ruthless.

Does any of that make sense?

Do you think they need to use 2,000 lb bombs?
The innocent lives are not in proportional to the number of Hamas being killed.

So it is quite obvious that the IDF is not really all that concerned about precision, they have been wanting to rid Gaza for a long time.

Did you know that it was Israel that broke the 2008 cease fire?