In heaven we will have a body of flesh and blood. Very interesting because angels can take on human form

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ewq1938

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In Genesis 6 angels had bodies of flesh and blood.

They didn't take human form. They had their original form which is similar to human. There is no scripture anywhere in the bible showing an angel changing form into a human form because they don't do that nor do they need to change at all.
 

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They didn't take human form. They had their original form which is similar to human. There is no scripture anywhere in the bible showing an angel changing form into a human form because they don't do that nor do they need to change at all.
Actually I didn't say any of that - the "editing rules" fouled things up.

HOWEVER - in Sodom, the men of Sodom wanted to have SEX with the angels that came to get Lot, so obviously they were human in appearance.

In Gen 18:2, the same angels met Abraham in the form of MEN before going to Sodom. so your pontification: "There is no scripture anywhere in the bible showing an angel changing form into a human form because they don't do that nor do they need to change at all" is totally false.
 

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Actually I didn't say any of that - the "editing rules" fouled things up.

HOWEVER - in Sodom, the men of Sodom wanted to have SEX with the angels that came to get Lot, so obviously they were human in appearance.

That is their natural appearance. No change happens.
 

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They didn't take human form. They had their original form which is similar to human.
Not at all. Angels are spirit beings, and only take human form as and when they choose. They did take human form in Genesis 6, which is pretty obvious.
 

ewq1938

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Not at all. Angels are spirit beings, and only take human form as and when they choose. They did take human form in Genesis 6, which is pretty obvious.
Angels are spirit beings but not bodiless like spirits/ghosts are. They have physical bodies and look human...all the time. They do not have to take human form because they always look human. Again, there is no scripture ever showing a change of form and that is because they don't have to.
 

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A Seraph. I believe is also found here:

Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

Angels don't have wings, let alone 6. John will mention an angel in the next chapter, not one of these Seraph creatures but an actual angel and called an angel not a beast.

Rev 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
 

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A Seraph. I believe is also found here:

Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

Angels don't have wings, let alone 6. John will mention an angel in the next chapter, not one of these Seraph creatures but an actual angel and called an angel not a beast.

Rev 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
So you don't believe seraphim and cherubim are both angelic beings? I hadn't considered that. I do like that you had a reference for your understanding. Looks like I'll be wearing my Berean hat a while longer.
 

ewq1938

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So you don't believe seraphim and cherubim are both angelic beings?
No, because they are not called angels. They are heavenly beings because they live in heaven.

Something I had saved:


John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Why did God chose a serpent to act as a type of Christ in the wilderness? The serpent has always been a title used in reference to Satan.

Here are my thoughts:

It's not speaking of a "snake" serpent but a different kind of "serpent" which represents good and Godly things.


Numbers 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.


serpent
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08314 saraph {saw-rawf'}

from 08313; TWOT - 2292a,2292b; n m

AV - fiery serpent 3, fiery 2, seraphim 2; 7

1) serpent, fiery serpent
1a) poisonous serpent (fiery from burning effect of poison)
2) seraph, seraphim
2a) majestic beings with 6 wings, human hands or voices in attendance upon God


This is a serpent like creature called a Saraph, same as the Saraphim which are heavenly beings that serve God.
 

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No, because they are not called angels. They are heavenly beings because they live in heaven.

Something I had saved:


John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Why did God chose a serpent to act as a type of Christ in the wilderness? The serpent has always been a title used in reference to Satan.

Here are my thoughts:

It's not speaking of a "snake" serpent but a different kind of "serpent" which represents good and Godly things.


Numbers 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.


serpent
8314

08314 saraph {saw-rawf'}

from 08313; TWOT - 2292a,2292b; n m

AV - fiery serpent 3, fiery 2, seraphim 2; 7

1) serpent, fiery serpent
1a) poisonous serpent (fiery from burning effect of poison)
2) seraph, seraphim
2a) majestic beings with 6 wings, human hands or voices in attendance upon God


This is a serpent like creature called a Saraph, same as the Saraphim which are heavenly beings that serve God.
It's interesting. I'll investigate further. Appreciate the line of inquiry.
 

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Angels are spirit beings but not bodiless like spirits/ghosts are. They have physical bodies and look human...all the time.
Taking human form is not the same as "looking human all the time". Angels radiate light as angels. They also have strength beyond that of humans. And, behold, the angel of the Lord came upon him, and a light shined in the prison: and he smote Peter on the side, and raised him up, saying, Arise up quickly. And his chains fell off from his hands. (Acts 12:7)
 

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It is not good for man to be a lone. This was GOD saying, I, GOD alone am not enough for man. Adam was a lone with GOD in the garden and it was not enough.
You don't have to be alone. There are other Christians and non-Christians you can be friends with. Do you really think "It is not good for man to be alone" meant "There is nothing for Adam to have sex with"? When the scribes asked which of seven brothers who had in series married the same woman would be having sex with her in heaven, Jesus essentially said "There will be no sex in heaven.." Do you really think he meant there wiil be free sex, i.e. no exclusive monogamous relationships, in heaven"?
 

ewq1938

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Taking human form is not the same as "looking human all the time".
Taht's because taking human form isn't real, nor does it happen because it doesn't have to happen.

Angels radiate light as angels. They also have strength beyond that of humans.
And, behold, the angel of the Lord came upon him, and a light shined in the prison: and he smote Peter on the side, and raised him up, saying, Arise up quickly. And his chains fell off from his hands. (Acts 12:7)

So? This doesn't contribute to the discussion of what angels look like.
 

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You don't have to be alone. There are other Christians and non-Christians you can be friends with. Do you really think "It is not good for man to be alone" meant "There is nothing for Adam to have sex with"? When the scribes asked which of seven brothers who had in series married the same woman would be having sex with her in heaven, Jesus essentially said "There will be no sex in heaven.." Do you really think he meant there wiil be free sex, i.e. no exclusive monogamous relationships, in heaven"?
Jesus did not say there wasn't any sex in heaven, only that they are not married. There is no marriage in heaven.

Jesus replied, “The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels.......marriage is only for THIS age.
 

PaulThomson

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Jesus did not say there wasn't any sex in heaven, only that they are not married. There is no marriage in heaven.

Jesus replied, “The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels.......marriage is only for THIS age.
The point of the question to Jesus was to trap him into proving the foolishness of belief in an afterlife, which the sadducees denied existed, by forcing him to admit that all seven were her husbands and therefore, if there is an afterlife, all seven would be lawfully having sex with her there. Giving yourself in marrriage to someone is to give yourself to lawful sex with them. Receiving in marriage is to accept the gift of lawful sex within someone.

If you insist on having unrestricted sex in the next life, you need to choose a different religion. than following Jesus. But any religion offering that to you is lying to you, since Jesus spoke the truth and nothing but the truth.