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[John146]

Under the law, Jews went about establishing their own righteosness by following the law. Christ ended the law for righteousness. The righteousness of God is found in Jesus Christ. If one wants God’s righteousness, one must believe upon Jesus Christ and be placed in him.

Romans 10
1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

 

[Braweh]

This is a wonderful explanation about Salvation.

The Bible actually teaches that Salvation is very conditional.

There are many verses that put an 'if' before the conditions that must be met in order to be saved.

Unfortunately, that's not how the modern teachers portray it at all.

Mostly because they're running a business and you can't exclude anyone when you're running a business. The fact of the matter is that Christianity is very exclusive.

As it should be.

 

[Braweh]

Under the law, Jews went about establishing their own righteosness by following the law. Christ ended the law for righteousness. The righteousness of God is found in Jesus Christ. If one wants God’s righteousness, one must believe upon Jesus Christ and be placed in him.

Romans 10
1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

Jesus taught the Law, obeyed the Law and His closest followers obeyed it after His death.

How do we get around those facts?

 

[John146]

The Bible actually teaches that Salvation is very conditional.

There are many verses that put an 'if' before the conditions that must be met in order to be saved.

Unfortunately, that's not how the modern teachers portray it at all.

Mostly because they're running a business and you can't exclude anyone when you're running a business. The fact of the matter is that Christianity is very exclusive.

As it should be.

here...

Romans 10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

[John146]

Jesus taught the Law, obeyed the Law and His closest followers obeyed it after His death.

How do we get around those facts?

Can you post the scripture where, after the cross, the disciples followed the law for salvation? Thanks

 

[John146]

Jesus taught the Law, obeyed the Law and His closest followers obeyed it after His death.

How do we get around those facts?

Read Galatians...

 

[Braweh]

here...

Romans 10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

"IF" they keep the faith that was bestowed upon them ..

and "IF" they embrace and follow Christ's ways ...

and "IF" they obey the 10 Commandments, etc.

There are conditions all throughout the Bible that must be met in order to be saved.

The demons believe and call upon the Name of the Lord and will most certainly not be saved.

 

[John146]

"IF" they keep the faith that was bestowed upon them ..

and "IF" they embrace and follow Christ's ways ...

and "IF" they obey the 10 Commandments, etc.

There are conditions all throughout the Bible that must be met in order to be saved.

The demons believe and call upon the Name of the Lord and will most certainly not be saved.

That's not what the passage says. Stick with the passage and rightly divide the word of truth. There are divisions to be made throughout scripture, especially when it comes to Jew and Gentile.

You posted verse 24, but failed to realize the very next verse. This was the argument that was settled in Acts 15 and in the book of Galatians.

Acts 21:24-25
24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.
25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

 

[Braweh]

Can you post the scripture where, after the cross, the disciples followed the law for salvation? Thanks

Nice try.

The fact that they obeyed the Sabbath here, after Christ's death speaks volumes:
Luke 23:54-56

The fact that Paul was a "keeper of the Law" here speaks volumes:
Acts 21:24

And the fact that the disciples are so often said to be teaching The Word to the people throughout the gospels, when Jesus' taught, and obeyed, the 10 Commandments, proves that they were teaching the 10 Commandments. They are Christ's Commandments as He created all things and He reiterated them all in the New Testament and obeyed them as an example to us and His closest followers obeyed them after His death which proves that He expected that.

 

[Braweh]

That's not what the passage says. Stick with the passage and rightly divide the word of truth. There are divisions to be made throughout scripture, especially when it comes to Jew and Gentile.

You posted verse 24, but failed to realize the very next verse. This was the argument that was settled in Acts 15 and in the book of Galatians.

Acts 21:24-25
24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.
25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

Not all will believe and embrace the Truth of the Bible and that's fine. It is as God intended.

But those who study the Bible with an honest heart, who have developed a love for the Truth (2 Thess. 2:10-11; 2 Tim. 2:15; Hos. 4:6, 14; Jer. 9:6; Prov. 1:29), will readily see and understand it.

God bless.

 

[John146]

Nice try.

The fact that they obeyed the Sabbath here, after Christ's death speaks volumes:
Luke 23:54-56

The fact that Paul was a "keeper of the Law" here speaks volumes:
Acts 21:24

And the fact that the disciples are so often said to be teaching The Word to the people throughout the gospels, when Jesus' taught, and obeyed, the 10 Commandments, proves that they were teaching the 10 Commandments. They are Christ's Commandments as He created all things and He reiterated them all in the New Testament and obeyed them as an example to us and His closest followers obeyed them after His death which proves that He expected that.

Nice try.

The fact that they obeyed the Sabbath here, after Christ's death speaks volumes:
Luke 23:54-56 The fact that these women and Jesus' disciples had no clue about the resurrection speaks volumes.

The fact that Paul was a "keeper of the Law" here speaks volumes:
Acts 21:24 Verse 25 speaks volumes.

And the fact that the disciples are so often said to be teaching The Word to the people throughout the gospels, when Jesus' taught, and obeyed, the 10 Commandments, proves that they were teaching the 10 Commandments. They are Christ's Commandments as He created all things and He reiterated them all in the New Testament and obeyed them as an example to us and His closest followers obeyed them after His death which proves that He expected that. Again, the disciples had no clue about the cross and his resurrection. They were following their promised Messiah who would deliver them from Rome so they could worship God without fear. See Luke 1.

Rightly divide the word of truth...

 

[Braweh]

Read Galatians...

Show us where Galatians teaches that we are to cast aside any of the 10 Commandments.

And don't post vague verses that have to be translated ... by you ... in order to bolster your case.

 

[John146]

Not all will believe and embrace the Truth of the Bible and that's fine. It is as God intended.

But those who study the Bible with an honest heart, who have developed a love for the Truth (2 Thess. 2:10-11; 2 Tim. 2:15; Hos. 4:6, 14; Jer. 9:6; Prov. 1:29), will readily see and understand it.

God bless.

Well, I'm a Gentile, so I embrace verse Acts 21:25.

 

[Braweh]

Rightly divide the word of truth...

Sadly, that doesn't mean "only believe what the modern teachers are teaching."

If you want Biblical Truth, you must study the Bible in its entirety. There's not a single concept in Scripture that is sound unless it holds up to all other references about it therein.

 

[Braweh]

Well, I'm a Gentile, so I embrace verse Acts 21:25.

You can embrace whatever you like.

God bless.

 

[John146]

Show us where Galatians teaches that we are to cast aside any of the 10 Commandments.

And don't post vague verses that have to be translated ... by you ... in order to bolster your case.

Galatians 2:
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


Galatians 3:
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

 

[John146]

Acts 15
5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

 

[Eli1]

The Bible actually teaches that Salvation is very conditional.

There are many verses that put an 'if' before the conditions that must be met in order to be saved.

Unfortunately, that's not how the modern teachers portray it at all.

Mostly because they're running a business and you can't exclude anyone when you're running a business. The fact of the matter is that Christianity is very exclusive.

As it should be.

Sounds good.

 

[Braweh]

Galatians 2:
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


Galatians 3:
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Uh huh and who wrote Galatians, John?

 

[Underwhosewings]

Given the state of current events, and I'm not just referring to war in Israel, I'm not so sure any more.

It’s like,
Be faithful,
and endure to the end.
God is worthy of our faithfulness,
no matter what.

Matthew 24:6 KJV
And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass,
but the end is not yet.

God is nearer to you than you realise.

James 4:8 KJV
**Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you.**
Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

Psalm 145:18-20 KJV
The LORD is nigh unto all them that call upon him, to all that call upon him in truth.
[19] He will fulfil the desire of them that fear him: he also will hear their cry, and will save them.
[20] The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy.

1 Peter 1:3-4,6-7 KJV
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
[4] To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
[6] Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
[7] That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: