Lost salvation or name not in the book

[Magenta]

It often is. A penchant for the word of God is admirable when it is attended with grace. Otherwise, it tends to yield condemnation.

We could compile quite a list, like aggression, aggrandizement, arrogance, animosity, abhorrence, abrasion, acrimony,
alienation, arbitrariness, argumentation, audacity... and that is just a sampling from words starting with the letter A!

 

[Cameron143]

We could compile quite a list, like aggression, aggrandizement, arrogance, animosity, abhorrence, abrasion, acrimony,
alienation, arbitrariness, argumentation, audacity... and that is just a sampling from words starting with the letter A!

I expect an exhaustive list by Christmas. To save time, I suggest simply using Santa's naughty list.

 

[Braweh]

The Sabbath command is nowhere iterated in the gospels, and according to
the religious leaders of Jesus' day, Jesus (and His disciples) broke the Sabbath.

Aww.

That's a common false teaching.

The Sabbath Commandment was 100% upheld by Christ and all His followers in the gospels. None of your teachers ever showed you Luke 23:54-56 where Christ's closest confidants obeyed the Sabbath Commandment after His Crucifixion.

And according to Jesus, the religious leaders of His day were hypocrites, vipers and children of the devil.

They taught the 10 Commandments, but did not keep them. For that very reason, Christ said to "do as they say, but not as they do" in Matt. 23:1-3.

Christ was a keeper of all the 10 Commandments (John 15:10) and fully expected all of His followers (Christians) to do the same.

 

[Braweh]

If I believed that, you would be correct. So those living in habitual sin void of repentance and recognition of their sin aren't actually Christians.
And one so concerned with the law, I would think, would be more careful than to make a practice of demeaning others in their responses. It's also a poor practice to ascribe positions to others to try to bolster your own position.
Since eternal life is defined for us in John 17:3, you either possess it or not. Once you do, God will lead you into all truth. But just as no parent expects a newborn baby to understand how and be able to fend for itself, neither does our heavenly Father expect a newborn believer to do so either. And distinguishing between wheat and tares is impossible for sinless angels, let alone sinful men.
Remembering the graces and mercies of God that we encountered along the way helps us enormously with such understanding.

Correct, most professed Christians today are not Christians at all as they are not following the ways of Christ in obedience to the 10 Commandments.

Those who are not concerned with the Law are equal to newborn believers. If that is you, you are not expected to understand and that is why you are sent those who do understand to lead you out of your darkness.

We are to correct false teaching whenever and wherever we find it, no matter who it comes from. Contrary to current popular teaching, that is our duty.

OSAS is false teaching.

 

[Magenta]

Aww.

That's a common false teaching.

The Sabbath Commandment was 100% upheld by Christ and all His followers in the gospels. None of your teachers ever
showed you Luke 23:54-56 where Christ's closest confidants obeyed the Sabbath Commandment after His Crucifixion.

And according to Jesus, the religious leaders of His day were hypocrites, vipers and children of the devil.

They taught the 10 Commandments, but did not keep them. For that very reason, Christ said to "do as they say, but not as they do" in Matt. 23:1-3.

Christ was a keeper of all the 10 Commandments (John 15:10) and fully expected all of His followers (Christians) to do the same.

Perhaps you have comprehension problems, and also pretend to know things of which you are not informed.

 

[Braweh]

Since apparently you have just come on board recently, you would be wise to firstly learn what the Gospel is and then post things which are true.

It's embarrassing when we see someone desperately attack a messenger instead of skillfully addressing their message.

God bless you, dear friend.

You'll get better at discussing Scripture with practice. Pray and keep at it.

 

[Braweh]

Perhaps you have comprehension problems, and also pretend to know things of which you are not informed.

Wow. You make a really strong point.

OSAS is not Biblical and God speaks of removing names from the Book of Life.

Care to discuss?

 

[Magenta]

Wow. You make a really strong point.

OSAS is not Biblical and God speaks of removing names from the Book of Life.

Care to discuss?

Care to retract your erroneous assumptions and false accusations?

 

[Cameron143]

Correct, most professed Christians today are not Christians at all as they are not following the ways of Christ in obedience to the 10 Commandments.

Those who are not concerned with the Law are equal to newborn believers. If that is you, you are not expected to understand and that is why you are sent those who do understand to lead you out of your darkness.

We are to correct false teaching whenever and wherever we find it, no matter who it comes from. Contrary to current popular teaching, that is our duty.

OSAS is false teaching.

Again, I don't deny that correction is a responsibility. I just think you need to be correct first.
Actually, those concerned with the law can be in various stages, and generally are. Those concerned primarily with it as a means of relating to God are the newborns. Those who have learned to walk in the Spirit are the ones actually keeping it and experiencing increasingly greater extents of eternal life.
I realize it is counterintuitive, but focusing on the law only leads to sin. Maybe we can look through James 1 sometime and see the progression or anatomy of sin. It is in seeking first His kingdom and His RIGHTEOUSNESS that we will walk in the Spirit and not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. So those that pursue God through means of the law are doomed to failure. Those who seek relationship with God through Christ always prosper.

 

[Braweh]

Again, I don't deny that correction is a responsibility. I just think you need to be correct first.
Actually, those concerned with the law can be in various stages, and generally are. Those concerned primarily with it as a means of relating to God are the newborns. Those who have learned to walk in the Spirit are the ones actually keeping it and experiencing increasingly greater extents of eternal life.
I realize it is counterintuitive, but focusing on the law only leads to sin. Maybe we can look through James 1 sometime and see the progression or anatomy of sin. It is in seeking first His kingdom and His RIGHTEOUSNESS that we will walk in the Spirit and not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. So those that pursue God through means of the law are doomed to failure. Those who seek relationship with God through Christ always prosper.

Yes, that's a very peculiar lie that is taught in most churches, and from all high profile pastors, today.

The lie that we are never to ever obey the 10 Commandments because if we do, we are, in some crazy-logic way, offending God and performing "works salvation."

Absolute nonsense.

You say we are to walk in the Spirit, but not 'really' obey the 10 Commandments. Show us where that is taught in the Bible. The Spirit of the Law cannot exist without the Law itself. We cannot walk in the Spirit of Christ without obeying the very Commandments that He Himself obeyed literally and physically.

I'd like you to address these 3 simple facts from the Bible please.

1. Jesus taught the 10 Commandments.
Matt. 23:1-3
2. Jesus obeyed the 10 Commandments - literally and physically.
John 15:10
3. Jesus' closest followers obeyed the 10 Commandments after His Crucifixion.
Luke 23:54-56
Acts 21:24

And if Christians are not to really obey the 10 Commandments, I'd also like you to explain why they all accept and obey nine of them without question?

 

[Cameron143]

Yes, that's a very peculiar lie that is taught in most churches, and from all high profile pastors, today.

The lie that we are never to ever obey the 10 Commandments because if we do, we are, in some crazy-logic way, offending God and performing "works salvation."

Absolute nonsense.

You say we are to walk in the Spirit, but not 'really' obey the 10 Commandments. Show us where that is taught in the Bible. The Spirit of the Law cannot exist without the Law itself. We cannot walk in the Spirit of Christ without obeying the very Commandments that He Himself obeyed literally and physically.

I'd like you to address these 3 simple facts from the Bible please.

1. Jesus taught the 10 Commandments.
Matt. 23:1-3
2. Jesus obeyed the 10 Commandments - literally and physically.
John 15:10
3. Jesus' closest followers obeyed the 10 Commandments after His Crucifixion.
Luke 23:54-56
Acts 21:24

And if Christians are not to really obey the 10 Commandments, I'd also like you to explain why they all accept and obey nine of them without question?

Actually, what I'm saying is that one can only obey as they walk in the Spirit. As far as Jesus obeying the terms of the Sinai covenant, He perfectly fulfilled it and taught others to do the same. But Christians aren't under such a covenant. So why do you place yokes on believers that Jesus doesn't require?

 

[Nehemiah6]

It's embarrassing when we see someone desperately attack a messenger instead of skillfully addressing their message.

Not a messenger presenting the truth but one who is MISREPRESENTING the Gospel. Those who know the Gospel will see through your posts. And I will definitely not waste any more time on them.

 

[Magenta]

Yes, that's a very peculiar lie that is taught in most churches, and from all high profile pastors, today.

The lie that we are never to ever obey the 10 Commandments because if we do,
we are, in some crazy-logic way, offending God and performing "works salvation."

Absolute nonsense.

Wow. Such blatant falsehoods emanate so effortlessly from you.

 

[Braweh]

Actually, what I'm saying is that one can only obey as they walk in the Spirit. As far as Jesus obeying the terms of the Sinai covenant, He perfectly fulfilled it and taught others to do the same. But Christians aren't under such a covenant. So why do you place yokes on believers that Jesus doesn't require?

Because you're wrong. Plain and simple.

And that's not my own personal assertion, it is what the Bible teaches when it shows Christians obeying the 10 Commandments after Christ's Crucifixion.

Clearly Jesus Christ expected Christians to obey the 10 Commandments after His death on the Cross if that's exactly what His closest followers are recorded in the Bible doing at that time.

So it appears your position is not in alignment with Scripture and is due for an overhaul - per God Almighty.

 

[Braweh]

Not a messenger presenting the truth but one who is MISREPRESENTING the Gospel. Those who know the Gospel will see through your posts. And I will definitely not waste any more time on them.

You are very, very angry.

I'm sorry that the Bible teaches concepts that you currently disagree with.

Anybody that studies the Bible diligently, and is open to it with sincerity, will find that it teaches exactly what I have presented as I have only presented Scripture - zero opinion.

Would you like to discuss the specific verses in question, one at a time?

 

[Cameron143]

Because you're wrong. Plain and simple.

And that's not my own personal assertion, it is what the Bible teaches when it shows Christians obeying the 10 Commandments after Christ's Crucifixion.

Clearly Jesus Christ expected Christians to obey the 10 Commandments after His death on the Cross if that's exactly what His closest followers are recorded in the Bible doing at that time.

So it appears your position is not in alignment with Scripture and is due for an overhaul - per God Almighty.

That's your understanding of things and that's fine. But if you will look closer at the book of Acts, you will find that it is a book of transition from one ending covenant to a new and better covenant. So some of the old would be present during the transition to the new. As it stands now, in my view, you have yet to transition into the new covenant and prefer a failed one. Whatever regard you have for the law, it diminishes Christ. Hopefully, it doesn't make Him of no effect for you.

 

[Braweh]

That's your understanding of things and that's fine.

- per God Almighty.

As it stands now, in my view, you have yet to transition into the new covenant and prefer a failed one. Whatever regard you have for the law, it diminishes Christ.

Hmm ok.

Let's take it to the Judge.

What does the Judge have to say about it?

Those who teach and obey the 10 Commandments are considered greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Matt. 5:19

Immediately following that, in Matt. 5:20, the Judge declares that you have no chance whatsoever of getting into the Kingdom of Heaven if your righteousness does not exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees.

Wow!

The scribes and Pharisees taught people to keep the 10 Commandments, but they were hypocrites and never obeyed the Law themselves. The implications of that are tremendous. That means that all modern churches today, as well as all modern pastors, preachers and even those who have bought into their lies, are not even as righteous as the hypocritical scribes and Pharisees of old.

Straight from the Holy mouth of the Judge Himself.

Good luck passing that off as ... "my understanding".

 

[Cameron143]

- per God Almighty. Hmm ok.

Let's take it to the Judge.

What does the Judge have to say about it?

Those who teach and obey the 10 Commandments are considered greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Matt. 5:19

Immediately following that, in Matt. 5:20, the Judge declares that you have no chance whatsoever of getting into the Kingdom of Heaven if your righteousness does not exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees.

Wow!

The scribes and Pharisees taught people to keep the 10 Commandments, but they were hypocrites and never obeyed the Law themselves. The implications of that are tremendous. That means that all modern churches today, as well as all modern pastors, preachers and even those who have bought into their lies, are not even as righteous as the hypocritical scribes and Pharisees of old.

Straight from the Holy mouth of the Judge Himself.

Good luck passing that off as ... "my understanding".

What is the righteousness that exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees?

 

[Braweh]

What is the righteousness that exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees?

Apparently it involves obeying the 10 Commandments.

 

[Cameron143]

Apparently it involves obeying the 10 Commandments.

How do you know if you don't know what it is?