Who is to blame for the latest Isreal Palestine war really ?

[Moses_Young]

Russia's combat power is being whittled away with only Ukrainian blood being shed. So everyone can go back to sleep now. Nothing to see here. Unless you live in Ukraine.

It sounds like you are justifying war crimes or terrorism? I hope you're not, but that's what it sounds like. The people that have been crowing on for war and the blood of others should not hypocritically expect sympathy when they finally get a taste of their own medicine. Remember that when it's time to pay the piper.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Does this war look like another war that's been publicly justified, so innocent people can be slaughtered publicly, and freely, a bit like the Ukraine Russia war.

Oh and it looks like the oil prices are going up again.

Oh and they’re all calling for cease fire again.

This is the covenant they broke and why they are the most persecuted people upon earth

“But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments; and if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:

I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you. And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass: and your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits.

And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins. I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.

And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me; then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins. And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.

And when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver you your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied. And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.

And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat. And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you. And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours.

And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it. And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭26:14-33‬ ‭

This has been perpetually happening since Jesus was rejected

“And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:20-22‬ ‭

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Sorta like the holocaust all over again, huh? Germany didn't want the Jews, but neither did anywhere else.

That’s why they all decided to give israel thier land back that was taken by rome 1800 years prior and later sacked by the Muslim armies and filled with Palestinians

 

[Moses_Young]

That’s why they all decided to give israel thier land back that was taken by rome 1800 years prior and later sacked by the Muslim armies and filled with Palestinians

You can't give something you don't own. That's called stealing.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You can't give something you don't own. That's called stealing.

lol yeah was just explaining what happened how Israel’s land was taken by rome and later was conquered by the Muslim armies and that’s how the Palestinians lay claim to the land

in the beginning it was the land of Canaan that was stripped from those people by God and given to the descendants of Abram the Hebrew in the book of genesis

the United Nations part is just what actually happened after world war 2 . The formation of the un partially happened because of the world wide persecution of the Jewish people just like the law earned would happen if they broke his covenant

the reformation of israel was simply pushed by the un which led to the slaughter of Palestinians who had rooted in the land after the Muslim armies conquered the region . It’s why the entire region around Israel is Muslim and hate them so much the un displaced the pakestinians by force in order to reform the nation of Israel as a Jewish state hey would have a homeland and be able to escape the mass persecutions they were enduring such as the holocaust and pogrom movements around the globe against the Jews


If you notice it’s all following the prophetics of the ot

 

[Fundaamental]

That’s why they all decided to give israel thier land back that was taken by rome 1800 years prior and later sacked by the Muslim armies and filled with Palestinians

It's Appalling what's going on, I am sick to the back teeth Of watching news reports of innocent civilians being killed.

The lords commandants are well and truly being abused.

i watched an interview with a team of medics that have been going to Gazza hospitals in every conflict, and I have to say I know truth when I hear it,

the death total of Gazza children now stands at over 3000 as of yesterday, in the space of 3 weeks,

the injuries being reported by medics our the type of injuries seen with a banned chemical substance that Isreal are using which cause the bones to break down.

children are whaling in pain from lack of health care, hospitals are holding 5 times there capacity, of innocent civilians and these children are wailing in pain,

and the whole world is just letting it happen. Gazza is being brutally ethically cleansed,

Isreal is not Isreal and nor is it holy friend.

 

[Fundaamental]

I mean... if you have a reasonable conspiracy theory; out with it. Who is being forced into debt? Who are the beneficiaries?

The idea that western powers are the puppet-masters of Hamas seems extremely unlikely. Indirectly funded by the west? I'm kinda open to that- but that doesn't make Hamas "not-real", or a puppet. They have clearly been a Palestinian party of the PA for decades; and have the destruction of Israel as one of their interests.

To answer the question asked in the OP... Hamas is pretty much, objectively responsible.

The "poor innocent Palestinian civilians" approach isn't going to work; because people understand the difference between Hamas directly targeting random civilians, and Israel targeting Hamas with civilians dying as collateral damage. Jesus told his people when they saw their city surrounded by armies, it was time to leave. He didn't tell them "stay in Jerusalem and and be a meat-shield for the Zealots; and then demand sympathy from the whole world when the Roman's kill you".

yeah the net of lies and social media at its finest,

Hamas is just another decoy, so that so that theese wars can be justified and so that powers that be remain powers that be, and so baal can have his innocent shedding of blood.

It's the same old same old,

 

[Cameron143]

yeah the net of lies and social media at its finest,

Hamas is just another decoy, so that so that theese wars can be justified and so that powers that be remain powers that be, and so baal can have his innocent shedding of blood.

It's the same old same old,

So how do you propose to solve the situation?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

It's Appalling what's going on, I am sick to the back teeth Of watching news reports of innocent civilians being killed.

The lords commandants are well and truly being abused.

i watched an interview with a team of medics that have been going to Gazza hospitals in every conflict, and I have to say I know truth when I hear it,

the death total of Gazza children now stands at over 3000 as of yesterday, in the space of 3 weeks,

the injuries being reported by medics our the type of injuries seen with a banned chemical substance that Isreal are using which cause the bones to break down.

children are whaling in pain from lack of health care, hospitals are holding 5 times there capacity, of innocent civilians and these children are wailing in pain,

and the whole world is just letting it happen. Gazza is being brutally ethically cleansed,

Isreal is not Isreal and nor is it holy friend.

I dont know about all of this but I also hate to see children dragged from thoer beds and slaughtered by Muslim animals that’s also pretty appalling or young women at a peace festival being raped and murdered also pretty terrible

the modern world is filled with missiles bombs that can with one strike kill hundreds and even thousands of people . War is terrible but it’s been a part of mankind since th e fall in Eden

Israel isnt to blame for what’s going on right now , nor are the ones in Palestine bearing the brunt

this conflict was initiated by Iran through thier proxy Hamas in Gaza because of the Abraham accords and impending peace and unity that would have brought against Iran in the Middle East

i can guarantee you the Islamic regime in Gaza arent following gods commands either no more than the Israeli government is

War is terrible and always affects the civilians more than the ones deciding to fight war . This one is squarely on Iranian proxies as far as what started this round but the conflict is ancient

jews shouldt be blamed and islamists believe in a false god who hates Israel and wants it destroyed they aren’t wanting peace they want israel gone like Hitler did

the media is distorting things like they always do

 

[Fundaamental]

I dont know about all of this but I also hate to see children dragged from thoer beds and slaughtered by Muslim animals that’s also pretty appalling or young women at a peace festival being raped and murdered also pretty terrible

the modern world is filled with missiles bombs that can with one strike kill hundreds and even thousands of people . War is terrible but it’s been a part of mankind since th e fall in Eden

Israel isnt to blame for what’s going on right now , nor are the ones in Palestine bearing the brunt

this conflict was initiated by Iran through thier proxy Hamas in Gaza because of the Abraham accords and impending peace and unity that would have brought against Iran in the Middle East

i can guarantee you the Islamic regime in Gaza arent following gods commands either no more than the Israeli government is

War is terrible and always affects the civilians more than the ones deciding to fight war . This one is squarely on Iranian proxies as far as what started this round but the conflict is ancient

jews shouldt be blamed and islamists believe in a false god who hates Israel and wants it destroyed they aren’t wanting peace they want israel gone like Hitler did

the media is distorting things like they always do

How do we know that the Palestinians are not the real Jews because there's definitely a holocaust happening,

All we have is the word of social media, and all we have is One party favouring the other. As well as all theese excuses with no real justification for over 3000 children killed in as little as 1 month now.

 

[Fundaamental]

So how do you propose to solve the situation?

by calling a cease fire and by using the power of prayer,

I would also ask every civilian in Palestine and Isreal to unite, and for both parties to join forces, meaning all the ordinary people, in a mass demonstrating to get the leader of Isreal out, like they do in India when tens of thousands go on strike and don't move from public places untill a serious problem is resolved..

 

[Cameron143]

by calling a cease fire and by using the power of prayer,

I would also ask every civilian in Palestine and Isreal to unite, and for both parties to join forces, meaning all the ordinary people, in a mass demonstrating to get the leader of Isreal out, like they do in India when tens of thousands go on strike and don't move from public places untill a serious problem is resolved..

I agree with the prayer part. The rest would take an act of God. While I believe you are well-meaning, I believe you are also naive and lack understanding of human nature. But I do wonder, did you offer this solution to Hamas before they killed Israeli children? Do you believe it would have made a difference? Do you believe a ceasefire will change their hearts? Do you think the average Palestinian is more inclined toward Hamas or Israel?

 

[SomeDisciple]

With respect to 'innocents' being killed in Gaza, I think their blood is on their own hands if they decided to stay in a warzone; or on the hands of whoever made them stay there, if someone made them stay. Notice Jesus told his people to leave when Jerusalem was surrounded by armies. He didn't say "Stay here while there's a siege going on, and then when something bad happens to you; demand sympathy from the entire world".

 

[Pilgrimshope]

How do we know that the Palestinians are not the real Jews because there's definitely a holocaust happening,

All we have is the word of social media, and all we have is One party favouring the other. As well as all theese excuses with no real justification for over 3000 children killed in as little as 1 month now.

“How do we know that the Palestinians are not the real Jews because there's definitely a holocaust happening, “

because they worship alla the Muslim false diety and follow the routings of Muhammad and thier so called divine book that’s a pretty good indicator that they are the true israel at least in my own opinion I don’t think the Bible teaches us to worship allah and declare the total annhialation of Israel and Christianity until allah rules the earth ….yadda yadda…

the people surrounding Israel are all Islamic they worship allah , after the Muslim wars in that region islamic people inhabited the land of Israel for hundreds of years while the Jews wandered from nation to nation being outcast by rome in the dispersia this was still the case until 1948 when the United Nations re established the nation of Israel as a Jewish state and the Jews began returning to Israel from all nations where they had been scattered

the Palestinians are the Islamic peoples we’re established when the Muslim armies conquered that region and had rooted in the land ofnisrael which was re established as a Jewish state of safety due to the persecution of Jews around the globe and the hatred of the nations against them because they were refugees in thier nations consuming resources

they had no homeland or nation since the Jewish dispersia after rome destroyed Jerusalem. Since then the Jews have never had the nation of Israel even today it is divided between Palestinian ( muslim ) Jewish , and also Christian peoples

look at West Bank , look at Gaza that’s actually according to the Bible isreals land but then they made it desolate by breaking his covenant and rejecting thier messiah

The Palestinians in Gaza are 99.9 percent Muslim and want Israel destroyed because of the ancient war over the land they aren’t the real people of God …

whoever hears the gospel and believes in Jesus whether Israeli , Palestinian , Greek , European , Chinese , Australian ect are the people of God his children and hiers of his kingdom offered only by Jesus Christ in the gospel

 

[NightTwister]

by calling a cease fire and by using the power of prayer,

I would also ask every civilian in Palestine and Isreal to unite, and for both parties to join forces, meaning all the ordinary people, in a mass demonstrating to get the leader of Isreal out, like they do in India when tens of thousands go on strike and don't move from public places untill a serious problem is resolved..

A cease fire gives Hamas time to escape the northern tunnels and regroup and rearm in the south. Of course they want a cease fire.

 

[DRobinson]

Publicly justified means innocent people can be slaughtered.

Do you have any better questions than this ?.

Dam right insulting.
The whole world has publicly justified this war apart from some ever increasing wise people.

Which one are you ?

Do you justify what Hamas did when they murdered, raped, tortured, and mutilated those people in Israel?
They are getting their just reward.
IF those so called innocent people had not allowed them to live among them they would not be suffering.
Just like the German people who allowed Hitler to kill millions and the Japanese people who allowed their leaders to do their evil.

 

[ByTheGraceOfGod]

Do you justify what Hamas did when they murdered, raped, tortured, and mutilated those people in Israel?
They are getting their just reward.
IF those so called innocent people had not allowed them to live among them they would not be suffering.
Just like the German people who allowed Hitler to kill millions and the Japanese people who allowed their leaders to do their evil.

 

[DRobinson]

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And you believe this?
Now who is spreading lies?

 

[Fundaamental]

I agree with the prayer part. The rest would take an act of God. While I believe you are well-meaning, I believe you are also naive and lack understanding of human nature. But I do wonder, did you offer this solution to Hamas before they killed Israeli children? Do you believe it would have made a difference? Do you believe a ceasefire will change their hearts? Do you think the average Palestinian is more inclined toward Hamas or Israel?

this response is what many people are saying that Hamas struck first, but did they ?
Plus your reasoning is allowing more children to be killed so maybe I should ask you the same question,

Do you approve child murder ?

Because the way Isreal are killing children is worse than hamas,

So who is hamas ?

Is Hamas, Hamas or is hamas the decoy,

Because I can't see any difference between Hamas Isreal Russia USA Great Britain, all the 4 countries with nuclear arms,

There all saying the same thing, which is we have the excuse to kill children whilst Hamas do not.

Or Russia will say we have the authority to kill children whilst Ukraine do not.

And all along for decades Russia UK USA Isreal have killed more children than anybody else

 

[Fundaamental]

A cease fire gives Hamas time to escape the northern tunnels and regroup and rearm in the south. Of course they want a cease fire.

yup and your the latest sucker who's been duped