Israel Declares War

[iamsoandso]

I read there was a 20% chance of Biden implementing conscription. I kind of hope he does. It would surely wake everyone else up that can be woken.

Obviously, I don't support slavery/conscription, but if Biden does implement it, perhaps it can be defeated and ended once and for all? Although, they said this for genocide and medical tyranny at the end of WWII, and it took less than 80 years...

Have you ever heard of the military term "blue water navy"? Why I ask is that it means that a nation not only has naval vessels capable of delivering a landing force large enough to invade a nation across blue water(Atlantic,Pacific) but also afterwards keep it re-supplied? Anyway China,Russia,Iran,North Korea ect. don't have true blue water capabilities as of 2023 and so would not be able to invade the US at this time(Russia's probably closer to it than others but not yet still)...Past that drafting unskilled troops into the US military would be next to useless other than for things like cooks,truck drivers,laundry ect. because they would need to spend years training them to operate the modern weapons systems.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

the youth of Muslims will be corrupted to western values within 100 years.

What in the cornbread heck are you talking about???

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Muslims are not interested in forcing conversion of other people, /QUOTE]


Wait right here, I need Magenta to see this one... BRB

 

[Moses_Young]

Have you ever heard of the military term "blue water navy"? Why I ask is that it means that a nation not only has naval vessels capable of delivering a landing force large enough to invade a nation across blue water(Atlantic,Pacific) but also afterwards keep it re-supplied? Anyway China,Russia,Iran,North Korea ect. don't have true blue water capabilities as of 2023 and so would not be able to invade the US at this time(Russia's probably closer to it than others but not yet still)...Past that drafting unskilled troops into the US military would be next to useless other than for things like cooks,truck drivers,laundry ect. because they would need to spend years training them to operate the modern weapons systems.

I think that's generally the case with conscription. No actual military benefit (potentially a detriment), and everyone pays except those profiting from the war (usually bankers and politicians).

I think the retired Colonel McGregor used the term on one of his recent interviews - a really interesting and informed guy, if ever you get the time to listen to him. I believe he indicated China couldn't invade the US for this reason, but that the US capability to support Israel against Russia would likewise be similarly limited.

I think the attack on the US will be internal - the (UN sponsored?) troops have already arrived covertly (or not so much!) with Biden's open border policies - now they're just waiting for the green light to activate.

 

[ByTheGraceOfGod]

You continue to spout nonsense against Israel. Have you been bought off by the Islamists, since you seem to love them over Israel?

The ones who really committed crimes against humanity were all the governments who insisted on people taking the bogus COVID vaccines, since those were bioweapons. At they same time they sabotaged and suppressed the treatments which could have saved millions of lives. Who is holding these people accountable? They would have been hanged in the Nazi era.

You continue to spout nonsense against Israel. Have you been bought off by the Islamists, since you seem to love them over Israel?

The ones who really committed crimes against humanity were all the governments who insisted on people taking the bogus COVID vaccines, since those were bioweapons. At they same time they sabotaged and suppressed the treatments which could have saved millions of lives. Who is holding these people accountable? They would have been hanged in the Nazi era.

 

[Moses_Young]

I think the retired Colonel McGregor used the term on one of his recent interviews - a really interesting and informed guy, if ever you get the time to listen to him. I believe he indicated China couldn't invade the US for this reason, but that the US capability to support Israel against Russia would likewise be similarly limited.

Just to clarify - the US do have a blue-water navy, but not large enough to support a regional war if Russia were taking it on, which would be likely.

 

[Magenta]

I think if you read back, you'll find this was what actually was originally implied (i.e. I'm against conscription for myself, but expect daddy-govt to conscript others as military slaves to protect me? Lol. Would be somewhat hypocritical, no?) I have no time to go back through the posts to prove it for you, though.

The original question was: I wonder what would happen if a conscripting country was in a war, and those libertarians who are against conscription were not defended against enemy attack. Would they cry foul, desiring the benefits of being a citizen without carrying any of the burden?

The context had nothing to do with paying taxes, and it was not originally implied that a libertarian such as yourself would expect the government to conscript others as military slaves to protect you. Many things were added to the question/topic along the way but the question itself had nothing to do with any of those things.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Just to clarify - the US do have a blue-water navy, but not large enough to support a regional war if Russia were taking it on, which would be likely.

But we have the Village People, so it's all good.

 

[ZNP]

I also think you are pushing a false narrative, because I highly doubt a government that tried to murder me or make me sick by threatening my job and my right to life, liberty and happiness with an untested vaccine is going to care enough to protect me from some sort of invaders. Where's the profit for them in that? So whether they're enslaving people to fight another enemy of their creating or no is not really business of mine - I'm more than happy to stay out of it and let the conflicting governments fight between themselves.

The government tried to murder you? I have issues with the vaccine, but I do not equate a mayor, or a governor or a President with "the government". The ultimate authority in the US is the constitution, and there is nothing in the constitution that supports people trying to murder you. If a cop is bad, it doesn't mean all cops are bad or the institution of cops is bad. If a teacher is a pedophile it doesn't mean they all are, or even that schools are inherently evil. If a politician is a crook it doesn't mean they all are. As far as I am concerned that bad cop carries no more weight than a good cop and the good cops outweigh the bad cops, same with the teachers, and everyone else working for the government. I remember when the gays were fighting for political voice by claiming they represented 10% of the country. In fact they represented 1%. Satan is a liar and will always try to inflate his importance and influence. Even during the revolutionary war no one thought that the British government was trying to murder the American people. The fight was that they were being taxed and so felt they should be given a voice in the government as well.

I would sooner die fighting a tyrannical government which tried to enslave me (or others), than die fighting to protect such a government against an invading enemy. That's not to say I wouldn't defend myself or others against an invader, but nobody likes to be forced.

Tell that to God and the Old Testament. When they were invaded they had conscription.

 

[iamsoandso]

I think that's generally the case with conscription. No actual military benefit (potentially a detriment), and everyone pays except those profiting from the war (usually bankers and politicians).

I think the retired Colonel McGregor used the term on one of his recent interviews - a really interesting and informed guy, if ever you get the time to listen to him. I believe he indicated China couldn't invade the US for this reason, but that the US capability to support Israel against Russia would likewise be similarly limited.

I think the attack on the US will be internal - the (UN sponsored?) troops have already arrived covertly (or not so much!) with Biden's open border policies - now they're just waiting for the green light to activate.

To me I think what D.A. Macgregor meant by breaking the phalanx was that things like trench warfare like you see Russia doing in Ukraine is like watching a WW2 movie instead of anything modern(after his time though he was in the Gulf War). Again the logistics needed to invade the US and support it over several months of real warfare is only capable as long as the US is allied to the UN. If you remove the US from the UN equation then the UN no longer has blue water capabilities.

 

[ZNP]

To me I think what D.A. Macgregor meant by breaking the phalanx was that things like trench warfare like you see Russia doing in Ukraine is like watching a WW2 movie instead of anything modern(after his time though he was in the Gulf War). Again the logistics needed to invade the US and support it over several months of real warfare is only capable as long as the US is allied to the UN. If you remove the US from the UN equation then the UN no longer has blue water capabilities.

What if the UN were allied to all countries except for the US? The UK, China, Russia, Iran, Japan, etc. They all have navies.

 

[Magenta]

Seriously?! No words!

Pretty mind blowing that anyone could believe that the Koran's more than 100 verses explicitly instructing murder to/for Jews, Christians, unbelievers and infidels, is immaterial to what drives Muslim acts of war against others... but then they bring Elvis into the conversation, as if he has anything to do with it. How can such a person be taken seriously?

 

[iamsoandso]

What if the UN were allied to all countries except for the US? The UK, China, Russia, Iran, Japan, etc. They all have navies.

I would think that baring in mind that the two largest populations of Jews on earth are in the US and Israel that we would be describing the battle of Armageddon and that we should really examine things like Revelation 16 because that will happen after the beast,the image,the mark ect. are in the earth not before. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/16.htm

 

[ByTheGraceOfGod]

 

[HeIsHere]

Thank you!! They have been offered land 4x and turned it down. They refuse to acknowledge Israels right to exist.

Keep it oh so simple, so as to once again justify "mowing the lawn" that is the what the Israelis government refers to killing people indiscriminately.

Amplified font doesn't make it true.

Have you ever read the proposals/plan was that a "No" I heard? Just what I thought.

And yet again to your wrong data in 2016 it was the Israelis government that refused the proposal.

 

[HeIsHere]

Don't bother.

I don't read here posts.

 

[HeIsHere]

Educate yourself as to why we are at this point. Take special note that time and again the Arabs and Muslims refused to allow any Jewish state, regardless of its size.

Note that a two state solution was offered before WWII, with Jews having a mere 20% of what is today currently Israel. The beast Muslims refused.

Interesting that the comments bring more clarity and truth than the You Tuber.

Did you notice how the promise part of the Balfour Declaration was never held too...oh those backward poor Palestinians they had little or no rights but the British came to save the day and then gave the best land to Isrealis, yeah he forgot that part.

The Turks were not interested in creating nations they were interested in conquest.

We have British settler colonialism for the creation of nations with a mark of a pen I might add and here we are today on the eve of destruction.

 

[ZNP]

I would think that baring in mind that the two largest populations of Jews on earth are in the US and Israel that we would be describing the battle of Armageddon and that we should really examine things like Revelation 16 because that will happen after the beast,the image,the mark ect. are in the earth not before. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/16.htm

I think that Psalm 83 describes the proxy war we are seeing right here.

This continues to get worse until Isaiah 17:1, Damascus becomes a ruinous heap.

That in turn leads to Ezekiel 38 war which is what we are starting to see with Iran and Turkey and a few African nations starting to declare they are against Israel.

Many think the Ezekiel 38 war refers to Israel being "unwalled and without bars or gates". I disagree, I believe that refers to the USA. When these countries go to war against Israel they will also attack the USA.

That happens six or seven years before Armageddon.

 

[HeIsHere]

What in the cornbread heck are you talking about???

Do you work? Are you on any campuses?
Do you actually know any Muslim students?

Do you think the Muslims from Egypt are the same as Muslims from Saudis Arabia

Did I hear a "No" that is what I thought.

 

[HeIsHere]

I 100% know what I'm defending. Of course Hamas wants a ceasefire now that the are surrounded. smh

It is the countries in the UN calling for a ceasefire, btw, and no Hamas is not surrounded.

Netanhooo and his wifey are up on big corruption charges they do not want a ceasefire because his fragile coalition will come tumbling down and he will probably/hopefully go to jail.