Israel Declares War

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Ted01

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Are you a Jew? Do you not know that the covenant of Laws applies to Israel? The law came through Moses; grace and truth through Jesus. If you are trusting in your own righteousness according to your own obedience, you are either not saved at all or you have fallen from grace.

I'm glad that you see these truths. Not everyone does.
I have no idea what you are trying to say... or what this has to do with my post?
 

cv5

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Ezekiel
Chapter 21
1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, set thy face toward Jerusalem, and drop thy word toward the holy places, and prophesy against the land of Israel,
3 And say to the land of Israel, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I am against thee, and will draw forth my sword out of his sheath, and will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked.
22 At his right hand was the divination for Jerusalem, to appoint captains, to open the mouth in the slaughter, to lift up the voice with shouting, to appoint battering rams against the gates, to cast a mount, and to build a fort.
23 And it shall be unto them as a false divination in their sight, to them that have sworn oaths: but he will call to remembrance the iniquity, that they may be taken.
24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your transgressions are discovered, so that in all your doings your sins do appear; because, I say, that ye are come to remembrance, ye shall be taken with the hand.
25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,
27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.
28 And thou, son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD concerning the Ammonites, and concerning their reproach; even say thou, The sword, the sword is drawn: for the slaughter it is furbished, to consume because of the glittering:
29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.
30 Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity.
31 And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.
32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.
Future Glory for Zion

Future Glory for Zion

1Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.

2For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

3And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

4Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.

5Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.

6The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the LORD.

7All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.

8Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?

9Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the LORD thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee.

10And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee.

11Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought.

12For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.

13The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious.

14The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

15Whereas thou hast been forsaken and hated, so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations.

16Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

17For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness.

18Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise.

19The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

20Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.

21Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

22A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the LORD will hasten it in his time.
 

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Isaiah 41:14 Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the Lord, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.
 

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Future Glory for Zion

Future Glory for Zion

1Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.

2For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

3And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

4Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.

5Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.

6The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the LORD.

7All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.

8Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?

9Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the LORD thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee.

10And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee.

11Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought.

12For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.

13The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious.

14The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

15Whereas thou hast been forsaken and hated, so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations.

16Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

17For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness.

18Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise.

19The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

20Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.

21Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

22A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the LORD will hasten it in his time.
10And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee.
 

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“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." - Kevin Alfred Storm
 

Smoke

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Ummm, probably not the best guy to be quoting. I don't think you'd hold with this guys views.
No, I know he was a White Nationalist. I think that's why this quote is purposely misquoted to Voltaire. Nevertheless, I think this is a true statement. I think using truth and mixing it with lies and deceit makes for a more potent and believable lie. I definitely don't endorse him as a person.

Do you believe in the statement?

(btw, I meant Strom not Storm lol)
 

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No, I know he was a White Nationalist. I think that's why this quote is purposely misquoted to Voltaire. Nevertheless, I think this is a true statement. I think using truth and mixing it with lies and deceit makes for a more potent and believable lie. I definitely don't endorse him as a person.

Do you believe in the statement?

(btw, I meant Strom not Storm lol)

Ummm I'm not one that buys into the whole Jews run the world POV. I believe Jews and for that matter Arabs are blessed by God because of promises made in the OT. So I'm not envious of their wealth unless it's ill gotten of course. But I guess here is my divide, I dislike George Soros, and for some reason he seems hell bent on destroying America. So I would criticize him and his POV. But not because he's Jewish. To me Antisemitism is about a race of people and I believe they are Gods chosen people still. I believe we should bless the Jews. That doesn't mean that a Jew can never be wrong, or Israel, we know Israel is a long way from where God wants them to be. To me I think there's a difference in saying that person vs those Jews. Make sense?
 

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Ummm I'm not one that buys into the whole Jews run the world POV. I believe Jews and for that matter Arabs are blessed by God because of promises made in the OT. So I'm not envious of their wealth unless it's ill gotten of course. But I guess here is my divide, I dislike George Soros, and for some reason he seems hell bent on destroying America. So I would criticize him and his POV. But not because he's Jewish. To me Antisemitism is about a race of people and I believe they are Gods chosen people still. I believe we should bless the Jews. That doesn't mean that a Jew can never be wrong, or Israel, we know Israel is a long way from where God wants them to be. To me I think there's a difference in saying that person vs those Jews. Make sense?
I look at the quote through a prism of topics. One of the ways is to compare nations that aren't allowed to criticize their government. Another example is how saying there are two sexes/genders is now becoming "bigotry" and "transphobic". The statement is absolutely true in those instances.

Cancel culture tries to limit free speech. Limiting free speech yields more power to those who are in control because it encourages more of the status quo. You can't criticize someone or something without facing consequences. They did this during covid so people confirm to mandates and/or to get the vaccines. Making people/politicians, organizations, nation states, etc... immune to criticism is a manipulative tactic to suppress dissenting opinions.

The disgusting sexual deviant, Kevin Alfred Strom, says a legitimate truth but tried to utilize it in an extremely hateful way. That's how Satan works though as I mentioned earlier.
 

Smoke

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Anyone in their right might that wants to "support Hamas" do ANYTHING doesn't know anything about what is going on or what Hamas actually is. Hamas should be eradicated from the earth.

I feel like there should be a "terms and conditions" for Israel's "right to self-defense" and their current strategy in "targeting" Hamas, too, though.

Terms and Conditions

I hereby support Israel in doing whatever is necessary to target Hamas enemy combatants, including:

1.) Obliterating more children than Hamas enemy combatants
2.) Carpet bombing Gaza
3.) Bombing areas Israel promised would be safe if they evacuated to
4.) Cutting off power, food, water into Gaza
5.) Continuing it's occupation and settling of the West Bank and East Jerusalem which no international entity recognizes Israel's sovereignty over (including the US)

I could list more but that should be sufficient to get the point. I'm sure many would still sign it and do so unapologetically.
 

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I dislike George Soros, and for some reason he seems hell bent on destroying America.
It is entirely possible that Soros is possessed by Satan (or a legion of demons). Not only does he want America destroyed, but he wants humanity eradicated. I pray that God will smite him and remove him from this earth.
 

Smoke

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Wow, aren’t we having our very own little cc war in this forum. Let’s join in the fun! I believe Israel has every right to the land and should they need to eradicate any vermin who gets in the way, then so be it. They are obviously morally superior, they have noble motives of course, God given , no less. Hamas is subhuman and evil anyway.They deserve to be exterminated. If a few children, older folks and women are around when Israel legitimally bomb the heck out of Gaza, well, consider it collateral damage for the greater good. These people living in Gaza should denounce Hamas by willingly refusing to be used as human shields (stop volonteering for it, gaza folks come on!)and go to the surrounding nations as refugees. They will be welcomed back when israel has finished with Hamas. Israel will not use Gaza as a new israeli settlers location, of course not. Altho, when you think about it they are better stewards of the land than than people from Gaza ever were, look at what they managed to do with their country since they got there!
Well done Bassem Youssef! :ROFL:
 

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I wonder what would happen if a conscripting country was in a war, and those
libertarians who are against conscription were not defended against enemy attack.
Would they cry foul, desiring the benefits of being a citizen without carrying any of the burden?
Paying taxes is supposed to be in exchange for services, including defense. So those paying taxes have a right to certain services, including the expectation a government will protect them from invasion, whether or not such taxpayers are against slavery (such as conscription is).

Just because I (or anyone else) might require a government to do it's job (i.e. provide defense for the nation), it doesn't mean I support it committing crimes against humanity (e.g. slavery) in order for this government to meet this obligation. And just because it might commit crimes against humanity to meet this obligation doesn't mean I waive my expectation for said government to do its job, nor acquit it or the perpetrators from being held to account for committing crimes against humanity.

Reality wise, though, I don't believe conscription is ever really used for defense (or at least, a good defense). Most people will defend their homes, if their homes are worth defending. Conscription is used to enslave men to fight (and preferably die) in another man's war for profit.

Also, I would much rather not pay taxes and not be defended by a government against enemy attack than the alternative, because I know that in the event of a real enemy attack, the government will keep the taxes I paid, but only defend me and my property if profitable (and it almost never is, as the government has already got its taxes).
 
and to respond- if what you said happened, and the cops tell me " we are confident that the ones who did that live in this one town"

" so . we are just to ride through and start shooting up houses and buisnesses, and we will eventually get the ones that did it"
That is the bobo doctrine, murder them all gets the zions two objectives, eliminate the Palestinian people while expanding the land they stole to even more free land at the cost of more and more civilian lives, men, women and children.
Personally I believe they have gone too far and the neighboring countries are going to join forces pushing the zion's into the sea.
All I can say is, I hope they know how to swim.
:)-
 

Moses_Young

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That is the bobo doctrine, murder them all gets the zions two objectives, eliminate the Palestinian people while expanding the land they stole to even more free land at the cost of more and more civilian lives, men, women and children.
Personally I believe they have gone too far and the neighboring countries are going to join forces pushing the zion's into the sea.
All I can say is, I hope they know how to swim.
:)-
I don't think all Israelis are bad. I believe some of them (many) are likely also disgusted with Netanyahu and the Israeli government's war crimes and crimes against humanity. I think these are being exposed, and it might not be long before we see efforts in Israel itself to bring the criminals to account. :) Obviously, sadly, there may likewise be efforts by the criminals to subjugate their fellow Israelis, to prevent justice taking its course.
 

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Ezekiel
Chapter 21
1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, set thy face toward Jerusalem, and drop thy word toward the holy places, and prophesy against the land of Israel,
3 And say to the land of Israel, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I am against thee, and will draw forth my sword out of his sheath, and will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked.
22 At his right hand was the divination for Jerusalem, to appoint captains, to open the mouth in the slaughter, to lift up the voice with shouting, to appoint battering rams against the gates, to cast a mount, and to build a fort.
23 And it shall be unto them as a false divination in their sight, to them that have sworn oaths: but he will call to remembrance the iniquity, that they may be taken.
24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your transgressions are discovered, so that in all your doings your sins do appear; because, I say, that ye are come to remembrance, ye shall be taken with the hand.
25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,
27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.
28 And thou, son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD concerning the Ammonites, and concerning their reproach; even say thou, The sword, the sword is drawn: for the slaughter it is furbished, to consume because of the glittering:
29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.
30 Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity.
31 And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.
32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.
Isa 14

Restoration for Israel

1For the LORD will have compassion on Jacob; once again He will choose Israel and settle them in their own land. The foreigner will join them and unite with the house of Jacob. 2The nations will escort Israel and bring it to its homeland.

Then the house of Israel will possess the nations as menservants and maidservants in the LORD’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors.
 

ZNP

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Paying taxes is supposed to be in exchange for services, including defense. So those paying taxes have a right to certain services, including the expectation a government will protect them from invasion, whether or not such taxpayers are against slavery (such as conscription is).

Just because I (or anyone else) might require a government to do it's job (i.e. provide defense for the nation), it doesn't mean I support it committing crimes against humanity (e.g. slavery) in order for this government to meet this obligation. And just because it might commit crimes against humanity to meet this obligation doesn't mean I waive my expectation for said government to do its job, nor acquit it or the perpetrators from being held to account for committing crimes against humanity.

Reality wise, though, I don't believe conscription is ever really used for defense (or at least, a good defense). Most people will defend their homes, if their homes are worth defending. Conscription is used to enslave men to fight (and preferably die) in another man's war for profit.

Also, I would much rather not pay taxes and not be defended by a government against enemy attack than the alternative, because I know that in the event of a real enemy attack, the government will keep the taxes I paid, but only defend me and my property if profitable (and it almost never is, as the government has already got its taxes).
No one said that a taxpayer did not have the right to expect the same protection as every other tax payer. This point has been repeated, you are simply pushing a false narrative. What we did say was that if you are against conscription you have no right to expect others to volunteer to defend you if you are unwilling to volunteer to defend them.