God's ONE Baptism For His Body!
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I do my best to not make stuff up but I will admit I am not perfect.
The scripture you are using to prove baptism is by God alone is not telling us everyone would be baptized with the HS. John is speaking of the promise of the HS which happened on Pentecost.
Baptized with the HS only happened twice and each has a specific purpose. The first were the apostles on Pentecost and the second was a specific conversion which is unlike any conversions before or after. In both cases it was directly from God and it was evidenced by speaking in tongues. Peter telling of the conversion of the Gentiles says As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them just as on us at the beginning.
Every time we see the HS given, other than the two mentioned, it is after water baptism. Even Jesus did not begin His ministry nor do any miracles until after He was baptized. What does the bible tell us?
10 And when he came up out of the water, immediately he saw the heavens being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove.
The scripture you are using to prove baptism is by God alone is not telling us everyone would be baptized with the HS. John is speaking of the promise of the HS which happened on Pentecost.
Baptized with the HS only happened twice and each has a specific purpose. The first were the apostles on Pentecost and the second was a specific conversion which is unlike any conversions before or after. In both cases it was directly from God and it was evidenced by speaking in tongues. Peter telling of the conversion of the Gentiles says As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them just as on us at the beginning.
Every time we see the HS given, other than the two mentioned, it is after water baptism. Even Jesus did not begin His ministry nor do any miracles until after He was baptized. What does the bible tell us?
10 And when he came up out of the water, immediately he saw the heavens being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove.
Lots of ways to answer this question.
- Only by shedding of blood can there be remission.
Hebrews 9:22
“And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.”
-Only by the blood of Jesus can this be accomplished once and for all.
Romans 5:12 Context
9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. 12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
-The Bible explicitly states that good works don't save us (and even goes so far as to tell us why.)
Ephesians 2:9
“Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
John 14:6
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
- Only by shedding of blood can there be remission.
Hebrews 9:22
“And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.”
-Only by the blood of Jesus can this be accomplished once and for all.
Romans 5:12 Context
9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. 12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
-The Bible explicitly states that good works don't save us (and even goes so far as to tell us why.)
Ephesians 2:9
“Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
John 14:6
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
It commends the authority of Jesus. The basis for baptism is that Jesus has all authority on heaven and earth. The Lord's Supper or communion does the same. They are ordinances given solely to those who are saved. Those who participate profess Jesus as Lord and affirm their association with Him.
How does Jesus say He builds His church? By baptism? No. He builds His church predicated upon the revelation of Himself by the Father to an individual. This is done by preaching which in conjunction with the Holy Spirit produces faith in us.
Mark 16 isn't suggesting the necessity of baptism for salvation. It is merely depicting the different responses individuals have to the gospel. One who has received revelation unto faith unto salvation will believe and be baptized...both are fruit of salvation. Those who do not believe respond otherwise.
How does Jesus say He builds His church? By baptism? No. He builds His church predicated upon the revelation of Himself by the Father to an individual. This is done by preaching which in conjunction with the Holy Spirit produces faith in us.
Mark 16 isn't suggesting the necessity of baptism for salvation. It is merely depicting the different responses individuals have to the gospel. One who has received revelation unto faith unto salvation will believe and be baptized...both are fruit of salvation. Those who do not believe respond otherwise.
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If you don't want to make errors, then stick exclusively to what the entire Bible teaches. Do not find new doctrine nor build new doctrine yourself using your assumptions as their basis. It shouldn't be that difficult to do.
All of the verses I posted about baptism show that everyone who becomes saved were baptized by God alone. Read Jhn 3:26 below. Do you see the "all come to him"? That does not include only those who spoke in tongues but everyone who has become saved.
Speaking in tongues (amongst other similar types of manifestations) comes from being filled with the Holy Ghost as opposed to being baptized by the Holy Ghost, (of course, only those who have been baptized by Him can be filled with Him, but they are two entirely different types of events). Being filled with Him is transient and used by God for the specific purpose(s) of making known what God wanted to convey; being baptized is permanent.
[Luk 1:41-42 KJV]
41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed [art] thou among women, and blessed [is] the fruit of thy womb.
No, the Bible tells us that the Holy Spirit's coming upon Jesus was to make known to John that Jesus was the Son of God
[Jhn 1:33 - 34 KJV]
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
Are you saying that you don't believe that Jesus was/is always God? Really? And instead, that you believe to become God, He first had to be baptized in water by John?
[Jhn 3:26 KJV]
26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all [men] come to him.
All of the verses I posted about baptism show that everyone who becomes saved were baptized by God alone. Read Jhn 3:26 below. Do you see the "all come to him"? That does not include only those who spoke in tongues but everyone who has become saved.
Speaking in tongues (amongst other similar types of manifestations) comes from being filled with the Holy Ghost as opposed to being baptized by the Holy Ghost, (of course, only those who have been baptized by Him can be filled with Him, but they are two entirely different types of events). Being filled with Him is transient and used by God for the specific purpose(s) of making known what God wanted to convey; being baptized is permanent.
[Luk 1:41-42 KJV]
41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed [art] thou among women, and blessed [is] the fruit of thy womb.
No, the Bible tells us that the Holy Spirit's coming upon Jesus was to make known to John that Jesus was the Son of God
[Jhn 1:33 - 34 KJV]
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
Are you saying that you don't believe that Jesus was/is always God? Really? And instead, that you believe to become God, He first had to be baptized in water by John?
[Jhn 3:26 KJV]
26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all [men] come to him.
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I'm sorry but I only know what the bible tells me. Words are how information is conveyed. I consider the context, the words used and how they are used. When you say baptism is an ordinance for those who are saved, that is not the order Jesus puts them in.
He said "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved," Everything I could find has "is baptized" as past tense before will be saved. If baptism is an ordinance for those who are saved, it would be worded like this. Whoever believes will be saved and should be baptized. That is not the order Jesus puts them in.
We see the exact order Jesus put them in in the first conversions.
So those who received his word (believed) were baptized (and is baptized), and there were added (will be saved) that day about three thousand souls.
Only those who were baptized were added, building Jesus's church. We can clearly see they weren't added first then baptized.
Conversions end in water baptism and it has to be the correct baptism. If baptism isn't necessary, why would Paul in Acts 19 baptize believers again who had already been water baptized?
He said "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved," Everything I could find has "is baptized" as past tense before will be saved. If baptism is an ordinance for those who are saved, it would be worded like this. Whoever believes will be saved and should be baptized. That is not the order Jesus puts them in.
We see the exact order Jesus put them in in the first conversions.
So those who received his word (believed) were baptized (and is baptized), and there were added (will be saved) that day about three thousand souls.
Only those who were baptized were added, building Jesus's church. We can clearly see they weren't added first then baptized.
Conversions end in water baptism and it has to be the correct baptism. If baptism isn't necessary, why would Paul in Acts 19 baptize believers again who had already been water baptized?