Israel Declares War

[PennEd]

I think you are conflating Jewish people with the state of Israel.

I expect better from you.

It is actually those who do not support the corrupt government of Israel as another tool of bad USA foreign policy that care about the Jewish people.

They stand just as much in harms way as their government pursues a path of self-destruction.

Btw has not nothing to do with amill.

Well , you just defined why amil belief is so pernicious.

There is NO difference between the two! That’s the whole ball of wax.

And we’re not talking about the government. No government is good. But Jews in the Land IS Israel.

 

[HeIsHere]

Well , you just defined why amil belief is so pernicious.

There is NO difference between the two! That’s the whole ball of wax.

And we’re not talking about the government. No government is good. But Jews in the Land IS Israel.

Many Jews do not even support the government of Netanyahu, they are the brink of their own civil war.

You are then inconsistent.

Are the children in Gaza Hamas?

Keep cheering for your Darbyism, the world will plunge into war and destruction because of it.

This is a forcing of eschatology not a fulfillment of eschatology. See the difference.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Not sorry that the amil position is unwilling to send billions of dollars from our broken economy and our young men to kill for and die in a blood fued between other nations that are as corrupt as any nation on earth. While we have critical issues to deal with here. Just because dispensationalist want to bow down and worship at the feet of imposter israel that is really just another nation state, that hates Christians.

We strongly oppose the attacking and murder of civilians on both sides and see them both as wicked and corrupt.

 

[ZNP]

Not sorry that the amil position is unwilling to send billions of dollars from our broken economy and our young men to kill for and die in a blood fued between other nations that are as corrupt as any nation on earth. While we have critical issues to deal with here. Just because dispensationalist want to bow down and worship at the feet of imposter israel that is really just another nation state, that hates Christians.

We strongly oppose the attacking and murder of civilians on both sides and see them both as wicked and corrupt.

Yep, the amil doctrine justifies why you don't have to pay a price. So the question is which came first, the desire to not pay a price, or the doctrine.

Reminds me of how they justified slavery in the US with the bible. The bible condemned the practice both in the OT and the NT, but didn't matter, they were able to twist scriptures to give themselves a fig leave for their sin.

 

[HeIsHere]

Yep, the amil doctrine justifies why you don't have to pay a price. So the question is which came first, the desire to not pay a price, or the doctrine.

Reminds me of how they justified slavery in the US with the bible. The bible condemned the practice both in the OT and the NT, but didn't matter, they were able to twist scriptures to give themselves a fig leave for their sin.

Pay what price? This post is a little far fetched.

 

[ZNP]

Pay what price? This post is a little far fetched.

Every sacrifice in the OT, whether it was a peace offering, sin offering, trespass offering, etc. They had to pay a price. Jesus on the cross had to pay a price. Jesus told us if you want to follow Him you must take up your cross, that means you must pay the price.

How absurd that Christianity no longer teaches "believers" the need to pay a price.

Hebrews 11 gives us many hero's of the faith and the price they paid.

 

[Moses_Young]

So what is your solution for stopping these terrorists? harsh words?

Maybe a competent defence force, and death penalty for all involved who stood down the defences for 7 hours which allowed the terrorists in? Perhaps a half decent investigation to actually prove it was terrorists from the outside doing the killings, and not traitors on the inside in order to trigger a war? The solutions are easy, for those who don't want war. Problem is, there are rich and powerful people who do, and they keep getting away with it because of their riches. Justice should be for all, irrespective of wealth or societal position.

 

[Moses_Young]

It is ridiculous to think that the children dying in Gaza are collateral damage or that they are human shields.

The IDF are not that good, they have no clue what they are doing and have no plan.
Even is one looks at the ratio #of children to #Hamas killed it is obvious the intention is one of terrorizing the inhabitants of Gaza.

They bombed the lines of people fleeing to the north, even as they told them to go north. They have bombed ambulances and have killed reporters.

Time will show them guilty of war crimes. Not only is there indiscriminate bombing they have deliberately rationed food/water to starvation levels before October 7 and have killed innocent civilians trying to bring aid via flotillas.

I think this is a perfect example of how ordinary Germans supported the Nazis, though. Here we are, 80 odd years later. The new Nazi regime is Israel, the new Jews are the Palestinians. And people (claiming to be Christians) are justifying the holocaust of these people, because the powerful nation of Israel stood it's military down for 7 hours (or so) in order to enable its enemy (allegedly, if it wasn't a partial or total false flag) to carry out its attack on dune buggies and gliders.

No one would have had any qualms about Israel defending itself then. Only, it didn't. It deliberately stood its military down, in order that it could attack later, and attempt to genocide innocent civilians, women and children. And people are trying to claim this is self defense. Such people have absolutely no right to condemn (real) Nazis or the Germans who supported them in the least, or even the terrorists who they claim started this whole saga. They are supporting exactly the same thing.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Every sacrifice in the OT, whether it was a peace offering, sin offering, trespass offering, etc. They had to pay a price. Jesus on the cross had to pay a price. Jesus told us if you want to follow Him you must take up your cross, that means you must pay the price.

How absurd that Christianity no longer teaches "believers" the need to pay a price.

Hebrews 11 gives us many hero's of the faith and the price they paid.

This post is absurd.
Take up your cross and follow me does not mean sending young men to war for another nations blood fued. That is an abuse of scripture unparalleled by any of the absurdities ever asserted in this forum.

 

[Magenta]

If you knew history you would know that the Jews and Muslims had a very good trading and political relationship for many years.

It is actually the interference of "western" powers over the years that has destabilized the region.

The angel of the LORD proceeded: “Behold, you have conceived and will bear a son. And you shall name
him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard your cry of affliction. He will be a wild donkey of a man, and his hand
will be against everyone, and everyone’s hand against him; he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”

 

[Needevidence]

Israel is showing snippets of what apparently happened the damage; destroyed and burnt-out building and infrastructure on 7 Oct, wasn’t done by machine guns and grenades - done by tanks and air fire. They are people coming out and admitting that Israelies were fired upon by thier own military. Its in the Israeli media, not in the main stream media in UK or USA, why?

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/

 

[Moses_Young]

Israel is showing snippets of what apparently happened the damage; destroyed and burnt-out building and infrastructure on 7 Oct, wasn’t done by machine guns and grenades - done by tanks and air fire. They are people coming out and admitting that Israelies were fired upon by thier own military. Its in the Israeli media, not in the main stream media in UK or USA, why?

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/

I've read reports the Israelis were destroying the "terrorists" along with the hostages. And some Christians think these are the good guys? Laughable, if it wasn't so tragic and thousands of people hadn't now died as a result of so many supporting such a wicked ideology.

 

[Moses_Young]

C'mon Smoke... somebody voted them in. I doubt that Scandinavians did, pretty sure it was Palestinians, and I'd guess that many, if not most of them that did are still very much alive.

If Biden can be "voted" into the government of the country which is said to be the beacon of freedom for the world, how much more is the rest of the world's governments corrupt, and not a matter of the people's will?

 

[Ted01]

If Biden can be "voted" into the government of the country which is said to be the beacon of freedom for the world, how much more is the rest of the world's governments corrupt, and not a matter of the people's will?

Yeah, I suppose that's always something to keep in mind.

 

[hornetguy]

I think this is a perfect example of how ordinary Germans supported the Nazis, though. Here we are, 80 odd years later. The new Nazi regime is Israel, the new Jews are the Palestinians. And people (claiming to be Christians) are justifying the holocaust of these people, because the powerful nation of Israel stood it's military down for 7 hours (or so) in order to enable its enemy (allegedly, if it wasn't a partial or total false flag) to carry out its attack on dune buggies and gliders.

No one would have had any qualms about Israel defending itself then. Only, it didn't. It deliberately stood its military down, in order that it could attack later, and attempt to genocide innocent civilians, women and children. And people are trying to claim this is self defense. Such people have absolutely no right to condemn (real) Nazis or the Germans who supported them in the least, or even the terrorists who they claim started this whole saga. They are supporting exactly the same thing.

I would like to see any evidence of this happening.
I absolutely disagree with your comparing the Israelis to the Nazis. You either don't know history, or you are deliberately exaggerating to try to make a point. Either one is pretty shameful, IMO.

 

[ZNP]

This post is absurd.
Take up your cross and follow me does not mean sending young men to war for another nations blood fued. That is an abuse of scripture unparalleled by any of the absurdities ever asserted in this forum.

You are loco. What is absurd is people claiming the land belongs to them. The land belongs to God, He will give it to whom He wishes and anyone contending with that will be guilty of fighting with God. Don't be a donkey of a man.

Nor does Israel being sinful disqualify them. How can a sinful nation claim that Israel is disqualified because they are sinful? That is hypocrisy. We are all dirtmen.

Only the Lord can heal Israel of their sin and He will do that when they turn to Him and they will turn to Him when they have nowhere else to turn to.

 

[Moses_Young]

I would like to see any evidence of this happening.
I absolutely disagree with your comparing the Israelis to the Nazis. You either don't know history, or you are deliberately exaggerating to try to make a point. Either one is pretty shameful, IMO.

Justifying the murdering of civilians for some super race? It sounds hauntingly familiar. Would be laughable, if it wasn't held as a religious view or right by some.

 

[HeIsHere]

This post is absurd.
Take up your cross and follow me does not mean sending young men to war for another nations blood fued. That is an abuse of scripture unparalleled by any of the absurdities ever asserted in this forum.

Thank you, I was thinking it was pretty ridiculous myself.

 

[Magenta]

Thank you, I was thinking it was pretty ridiculous myself.

Where was there any mention of sending young men to war for another nations blood feud? Oh, right.
Loco brought that into the convo and then condemned someone else for responding to his post.

 

[Moses_Young]

Then simply answer the question...morally, what is the difference in value?

Consent. Morally, a soldier has agreed that he is willing to die in the service of his country (whatever that service may be!) A child has not. So if a soldier dies, it is sad, and he is not worth less, but he has consented to the possibility of such a fate. A child has not.