Israel Declares War

[Ted01]

I don't think so with Hamas around. "Villains aren't born, they are created." The villain needs to be removed if we are to have peace in my opinion, even if the villain is a villain because of decades of oppression and injustice. Kind of like most child molesters are victims of child molestation as well. It's terrible to hear... but they should be locked up and isolated from society.



No, Israel handed Gaza over to the Palestinians in 2005. They pulled all of the Israeli's out and reluctantly agreed to let the Palestinians have that little tiny piece of land. However, they are still considered occupiers of Gaza because they can't come and go as they wish, Israel has a blockage imposed on them so their economy is handicapped, and Israel controlls power, water, communications etc...

In 2006, the Palestinians had an election and voted in Hamas over Fatah. Fatah and Hamas fought for a while as well. People were shocked when Hamas won.

The interesting thing is that there isn't a single Hamas terrorist in the West Banks or in East Jerusalem (they are not recognized by international law to be under Israeli sovereignty) yet Israel has occupied them since 1967. They have been oppressing and killing Palestinians for decades and settling Israelis in Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem. District Courts which have no jurisdiction in East Jerusalem require Palestinians to leave their homes... guess who they replace them with... Other Palestinians? lol Funny joke, no... Israelis. Under international law, this is 100% a war crime. The US backs Israel no matter what and that is why it's allowed to be done. Being the super power of the world means you don't always have to follow the rules.

That is interesting and sad. I agree that Israel should not be blockading Gaza/West Bank. Also, the displacement of Palestinians anywhere is horrible.

Still, I find it curious that say that it's Hamas that keeps Gaza from building themselves a decent life...?

 

[NightTwister]

These are some tough questions to answer for sure.

I was talking to my dad about this the other day. I asked him if the Treaty of Versailles, and the restrictions that came with it, was a key reason why so many Germans were able to buy into Hitler's garbage propaganda. I go back and forth on this. Germany deserved to be hit with some consequences... was it too much though?

It certainly contributed. Promising relief from poverty can be very inticing, and can cause some to ignore the moral consequences of some solutions.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Israel knows that when they target Hamas with airstrikes, they are going to also be targeting and killing more civilian children than actual Hamas terrorists. For several days after the Oct 7th Hamas massacre, Israel bombed the garbage out of Gaza. No warnings to the civilians to evacuate whatsoever. After that, they did advise civilians to go south and gave them one of two routes to go where they will be safe. One of the routes was blown up and killed civilians. After about 700,000 Palestinians left, Hamas started preventing civilians from leaving their homes causing them to be sitting ducks in their homes because Israel doesn't care and will blow them up regardless.



As stated previously, 47.3% of Palestinians are under 18. The civilians didn't start anything. They are children for goodness sakes! Collective punishment on these babies is a crime against humanity. I have no issue will them going after Hamas. In fact, I hope Hamas is wiped off the earth... just don't wipe out the children in the process.

See you dont understand. Its ok to oppress, brutalize, and murder palestinian children and elderlies, and widows.

 

[HeIsHere]

evidence?

I don't even understand how people do not know this.

Evidence for which part?

 

[Magenta]

Many people want to claim that the Muslim brotherhood is a terrorist organization and want to deny that they are for peace. This is probably because they see them trying to kill Jews at an airport or a US university. However, what is more peaceful than a cemetery? You see, an organization can be a terrorist organization and also claim they are for peace.

The question is "how do they plan on achieving peace"?

Has the United States State Department listed the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization yet?

 

[cv5]

Still, I find it curious that say that it's Hamas that keeps Gaza from building themselves a decent life...?

Supposedly the Gazans elected Hamas into power. Crazy huh?

 

[HeIsHere]

And many (adult) Palestinians have immigrated elsewhere too, right. But let's not belabor the point and agree that Palestinians voted Hamas into power and keep them there.

Hamas came into power because they offered to build a social safety net, which they did initially. After that they suspended general elections.
Also bear in mind support for Hamas grew as Israel expanded its colonization in the West Bank.

There was a lot of action and reaction over the years, starting with the Nakba.

 

[ZNP]

Has the United States State Department listed the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization yet?

They absolutely refuse to.

 

[Smoke]

Hilary Clinton: "People who call for ceasefire don't understand Hamas."

If only someone threw her in the Gaza open-air prison. She actually deserves it. Whatever she says about anything, especially foreign affairs, believe the opposite.

 

[harpo]

Many people want to claim that the Muslim brotherhood is a terrorist organization and want to deny that they are for peace. This is probably because they see them trying to kill Jews at an airport or a US university. However, what is more peaceful than a cemetery? You see, an organization can be a terrorist organization and also claim they are for peace.

The question is "how do they plan on achieving peace"?

They plan on achieving peace by eradicating Israel. But then again, the only people the terrorist hate as much as Christians and Jews are one another. The Middle East has never been a peaceful place.

 

[NightTwister]

They plan on achieving peace by eradicating Israel. But then again, the only people the terrorist hate as much as Christians and Jews are one another. The Middle East has never been a peaceful place.

Hitler also planned on achieving peace by eradicating the Jews.

 

[harpo]

Hitler also planned on achieving peace by eradicating the Jews.

And in the process caused a world war. I'd say that within a year or two we'll know if what's taking place there is the big one. I want the madness to end. But we know it's going to get really bad before Jesus returns.

 

[Needevidence]

Who killed who?

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/

 

[PennEd]

One thing this thread has definitely solidified for me, is how much I loathe amillennialism.

EXACTLY for the reason we are seeing displayed here.

It is a true repeat of history. A vast chunk of the Church was either silent, or actively against the Jews in Nazi Germany.

We are seeing that in spades, JUST AS THE BIBLE predicted, in the whole world.

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/po...o-kill-jewish-students-4NYD6ykSC9LVkyGw5Z7T24

 

[ZNP]

Good News: For those who stand with Israel -- you are not following the herd

LIVE | Israel-Hamas War: Pro-Palestinian Protests Across The Globe After 8000 Killed In Gaza

 

[ZNP]

One thing this thread has definitely solidified for me, is how much I loathe amillennialism.

EXACTLY for the reason we are seeing displayed here.

It is a true repeat of history. A vast chunk of the Church was either silent, or actively against the Jews in Nazi Germany.

We are seeing that in spades, JUST AS THE BIBLE predicted, in the whole world.

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/po...o-kill-jewish-students-4NYD6ykSC9LVkyGw5Z7T24

They are fair weather soldiers, the minute it seems like supporting Israel could result in WW3 or a draft they flee.

They do not have the love of the truth, they make lies and love lies, anything that will seem to give them an easy path in life.

 

[HeIsHere]

Hilary Clinton: "People who call for ceasefire don't understand Hamas."

If only someone threw her in the Gaza open-air prison. She actually deserves it. Whatever she says about anything, especially foreign affairs, believe the opposite.

Benghazi

 

[HeIsHere]

One thing this thread has definitely solidified for me, is how much I loathe amillennialism.

EXACTLY for the reason we are seeing displayed here.

It is a true repeat of history. A vast chunk of the Church was either silent, or actively against the Jews in Nazi Germany.

We are seeing that in spades, JUST AS THE BIBLE predicted, in the whole world.

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/po...o-kill-jewish-students-4NYD6ykSC9LVkyGw5Z7T24

I think you are conflating Jewish people with the state of Israel.

I expect better from you.

It is actually those who do not support the corrupt government of Israel as another tool of bad USA foreign policy that care about the Jewish people.

They stand just as much in harms way as their government pursues a path of self-destruction.

Btw has not nothing to do with amill.

 

[HeIsHere]

They plan on achieving peace by eradicating Israel. But then again, the only people the terrorist hate as much as Christians and Jews are one another. The Middle East has never been a peaceful place.

If you knew history you would know that the Jews and Muslims had a very good trading and political relationship for many years.

It is actually the interference of "western" powers over the years that has destabilized the region.

 

[HeIsHere]

See you dont understand. Its ok to oppress, brutalize, and murder palestinian children and elderlies, and widows.

Imagine, Christians not opposed to the taking of innocent life.

So far the death of 3000+ children does not meet the criteria of taking innocent lives, they are human shields, don't you know..