Israel Declares War
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No I understand. I just disagree. I don't think there is anything either one can say that will suddenly agree with the other point of view. We have a fundamental disagreement about military servicemen and civilians. We probably have a lot of middle ground in common that we aren't discussing because it's the disagreements that are the squeaky wheel.
We probably both hope: Hamas is obliterated, civilians on both sides are spared, whoever Israel replaced Hamas with is peaceful and chooses to find non-violent solutions, etc...
Where we probably disagree is: Israel has oppressed Palestinians for quite some time, "targeting" Hamas means it's acceptable to kill more civilians than terrorists, Israel is committing war crimes by settling on occupied land (East Jerusalem), a serviceman killing a servicemen is different than a serviceman killing a civilian, etc...
We probably both hope: Hamas is obliterated, civilians on both sides are spared, whoever Israel replaced Hamas with is peaceful and chooses to find non-violent solutions, etc...
Where we probably disagree is: Israel has oppressed Palestinians for quite some time, "targeting" Hamas means it's acceptable to kill more civilians than terrorists, Israel is committing war crimes by settling on occupied land (East Jerusalem), a serviceman killing a servicemen is different than a serviceman killing a civilian, etc...
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Are you 10? You sound like a child. YOU were the one that made the point that Israel is killing more children than Hamas. No agree to your facts or your opinion. You made that out of whole cloth.
Again you aren't 10. People die in war. Children die in war. "Acceptable" means that every single person can be saved during a war. That's immature. It's impossible and you know it. That's why sane people don't start wars. smh
Again you aren't 10. People die in war. Children die in war. "Acceptable" means that every single person can be saved during a war. That's immature. It's impossible and you know it. That's why sane people don't start wars. smh
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So, you admit it, you agree that the IDF murdered that child. It was not just one (1) child that the IDF sniper teams have murdered, there have be dozens of such wanton killing by the IDF.
If you ask, I will post a dozen such murders, if you ask.
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If you ask, I will post a dozen such murders, if you ask.
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No need to post more brother. I just want people to have the same reaction to a child being killed regardless of what their nationality is... regardless if they are inside the womb or outside the womb.
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Revelation 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
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You think it's an opinion that Israel has killed more civilians than Hamas terrorists?
Gaza Population: +2,000,000
Gaza Populated Under 18: 47.3%
Hamas Terrorists: ~50,000
Palestinian Deaths: +7,700
Women & Children Casualties 66%
Do you believe the bombs that were targeted at homes knew there were civilians living there and chose not to blow them up and instead only detonated when they identified Hamas terrorists? How else could you explain the supposed accuracy Israel has?
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ac·cept·a·ble
/əkˈseptəb(ə)l/
adjective
1.
able to be agreed on; suitable.
"has tried to find a solution acceptable to everyone"
2.
able to be tolerated or allowed.
Gaza Population: +2,000,000
Gaza Populated Under 18: 47.3%
Hamas Terrorists: ~50,000
Palestinian Deaths: +7,700
Women & Children Casualties 66%
Do you believe the bombs that were targeted at homes knew there were civilians living there and chose not to blow them up and instead only detonated when they identified Hamas terrorists? How else could you explain the supposed accuracy Israel has?
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Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
ac·cept·a·ble
/əkˈseptəb(ə)l/
adjective
1.
able to be agreed on; suitable.
"has tried to find a solution acceptable to everyone"
2.
able to be tolerated or allowed.
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"I'm trying to get a number of how many civilians is too many for people who are in support of bombing Gaza. It's clear people think it's acceptable under the present conditions. So if there isn't a specific number or even a ballpark of how many Palestinian civilians is too many to continue to blow up, then clearly Israel truly is free to kill however many they want."
Did you, or did you not post that? I see no "quote" of anyone else in that message.
Did you, or did you not post that? I see no "quote" of anyone else in that message.
Did you know that all Israelis are in the military at some point. Every Israeli citizen is a combatant. Do you know why? Because Islam requires its adherents to believe this. What I don't understand is how someone can want civilians protected and posture in a manner that will ensure more are killed. There is a disconnect in what you prescribe and how it can be accomplished.
Yup, one of my best friends served in the IDF for a few years. She told me many of her experiences while being in the IDF. She moved to the US and condemns Hamas and the bombing of Gaza. She isn't antisemitic, she isn't posturing when she advocates for the life of civilian children, she is a Messianic Jew that condemns evil while also loving her Jewish people. This isn't a sport where we cheer for one team or the other.
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Israel is committing war crimes by settling on occupied land
Israel has been is committing war crimes even before they were granted statehood.
Hagana, Irgun and Stern gangs who threw bombs into buses, assassinated British and other officials and murdered Palestinians way before the Palestinians retaliated in kind. (what goes around comes around)https://rense.com//general21/pastzionist.htm
FIRST ACTS OF TERRORISM, COINING THE PHRASE
November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.
July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem,.,.,killing or injuring more than 200 persons.
October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.
September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)
December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.
December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.
Israel has been is committing war crimes even before they were granted statehood.
Hagana, Irgun and Stern gangs who threw bombs into buses, assassinated British and other officials and murdered Palestinians way before the Palestinians retaliated in kind. (what goes around comes around)https://rense.com//general21/pastzionist.htm
FIRST ACTS OF TERRORISM, COINING THE PHRASE
November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.
July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem,.,.,killing or injuring more than 200 persons.
October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.
September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)
December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.
December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.
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So even though I didn't say what you quoted, I still answered your question in hopes you would actually answer mine. I said civilian casualties will happen even in a discriminate attack. I even gave a scenario of such a scenario.
People have made the argument that as long as you "target" Hamas, Israel has the green light to continue to bomb Gaza and kill more civilians than Hamas terrorists. My question, as I simplified it to a yes or no question, is if there is an instance where this argument is no longer true? If not, then that means Israel can continue to kill more civilians than terrorist. If there is is an instance, what is it?
People have made the argument that as long as you "target" Hamas, Israel has the green light to continue to bomb Gaza and kill more civilians than Hamas terrorists. My question, as I simplified it to a yes or no question, is if there is an instance where this argument is no longer true? If not, then that means Israel can continue to kill more civilians than terrorist. If there is is an instance, what is it?
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I would really love to see no more civilians, adults or children, die in this war.
I don't know what would be more effective with that goal in mind. I would think that a ground invasion, going house to house might be less destructive of civilians, but I don't know that.
There are conflicting stories.... the Palestinians were told to leave, then Hamas prevented them from doing so. Some say the Israelis prevented them from doing so.
Either way, when an army is trying to root out the enemy, and the enemy hides behind civilians, it's almost impossible to prevent civilian casualties.
I suppose Israel could just back off and do nothing, but Hamas is still firing rockets into Israel, targeting civilians.... should they just suck it up and allow that to continue?
I don't know what would be more effective with that goal in mind. I would think that a ground invasion, going house to house might be less destructive of civilians, but I don't know that.
There are conflicting stories.... the Palestinians were told to leave, then Hamas prevented them from doing so. Some say the Israelis prevented them from doing so.
Either way, when an army is trying to root out the enemy, and the enemy hides behind civilians, it's almost impossible to prevent civilian casualties.
I suppose Israel could just back off and do nothing, but Hamas is still firing rockets into Israel, targeting civilians.... should they just suck it up and allow that to continue?
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At least argue honestly...unless you actually believe I'm cheering for a particular side. I'm telling you what will end this and have countless lives saved on both sides. If individuals on either side target civilians, they should be prosecuted. If civilians die because they are used as shields for military targets, the fault there lies with the ones employing them as targets. They become inevitable to have a solution. What you seem unable to understand or accept is that the outcome you desire cannot be accomplished any other way. And you aren't any more caring of Palestinians than anyone else. There is no choice that offers your desired outcome than the loss of civilians other than an act of God. I've yet to hear that proposed.
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