Bible verses that help us understand the rapture

[achduke7]

I too, see the church removed during the 7th Trump as Jacob enters their time of trouble at the reaping of the earth in Rev. 14.

Mat.24:21 For then there will be great tribulation ( or suffering ), such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.

Hi Omegatime,

There is one very defining event in the Old Testament, New Testament and in Revelation that aligns all of the end times scripture. That is the celestial event of the Sun and Moon going dark. Below are where those scriptures where all align at this event. In Revelation this event matches Rev 6:12. Before this event is the Great Tribulation, after this event is the Wrath of God also known as the Day of the Lord.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

Ecc 12:2 While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:

Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Eze 32:7 And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.

Joel 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

Joel 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

 

[Nehemiah6]

There is one very defining event in the Old Testament, New Testament and in Revelation that aligns all of the end times scripture. That is the celestial event of the Sun and Moon going dark.

And these events are just prior to the Second Coming of Christ. See Matthew 24.

 

[Omegatime]

Hi Omegatime,

There is one very defining event in the Old Testament, New Testament and in Revelation that aligns all of the end times scripture. That is the celestial event of the Sun and Moon going dark. Below are where those scriptures where all align at this event. In Revelation this event matches Rev 6:12. Before this event is the Great Tribulation, after this event is the Wrath of God also known as the Day of the Lord.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

Ecc 12:2 While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:

Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Eze 32:7 And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.

Joel 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

Joel 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

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Hi Achduke7--welcome to CC
IMO these events concerning the sun, moon happens several times during the 7 year Tribulation.

 

[achduke7]

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Hi Achduke7--welcome to CC
IMO these events concerning the sun, moon happens several times during the 7 year Tribulation.

Hi Omegatime,

It is my belief they are all the same event.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Hi Omegatime,

There is one very defining event in the Old Testament, New Testament and in Revelation that aligns all of the end times scripture. That is the celestial event of the Sun and Moon going dark. Below are where those scriptures where all align at this event. In Revelation this event matches Rev 6:12. Before this event is the Great Tribulation, after this event is the Wrath of God also known as the Day of the Lord.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

Ecc 12:2 While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:

Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Eze 32:7 And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.

Joel 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

Joel 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

It’s progressive notice in revelation it affects everything God created in genesis 1

god created the heavens and the earth

“And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; and said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭6:14-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We see a throne and one sitting on it bringing wrath you see the heavens depart and the earth moved

Then you begin seeing the destruction announced

“And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭8:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It goes through the sea and the people the earth the mountains ect

then the vials continue eventually what began in chapter 6 becomes revealed and you see more of this event

so this in the beginning of scriptire

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭

concludes here with its removal

“And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. ( creation has been removed )

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This leads here

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1‬ ‭

It is god fulfilling this which he’s been saying all along

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17-18‬

In revelation we’re also seeing the narrative of this part which happens first

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6, 19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Revelation is a narrative account of Gods plans for creation to come

 

[Omegatime]

Hi Omegatime,

It is my belief they are all the same event.

Well I would reply that the Day of the Lord cannot come till the antichrist takes his seat in temple of God.

2 Thess 2:2 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet him, we beg you, brethren, 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

 

[Omegatime]

The end of the age is the harvest. Tribulation is taken from the term tribulum which is an instrument used in the harvest. Everyone involved in gathering the harvest knows there are first fruits which ripen before the general harvest, there is a general harvest, and then there are gleanings. They also know some fields ripen before other fields.

It is also like graduation. Any school administrator or teacher knows some kids graduate early with honors, most graduate on time, and some need summer school and others need night school to get their GPA. The question is not do some get saved at the very last moment, the question is do some get rapture prior to the 70th week? The 70th week begins when the "times of the Gentiles" ends. I taught high school and prior to the graduation ceremony there would be an awards ceremony, only students getting a reward would be invited as well as their parents. You can look at the pre 70th week rapture as the reward ceremony to "those who love His appearing".

You said the 70th week begins when the time of the gentiles end.

What about Luke 21:24

24 they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led captive among all nations; and Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

ZNP, I am a grumpy old man

 

[achduke7]

Well I would reply that the Day of the Lord cannot come till the antichrist takes his seat in temple of God.

2 Thess 2:2 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet him, we beg you, brethren, 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

I do believe this but I believe the temple is not made with hands.

1 Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

 

[Omegatime]

I do believe this but I believe the temple is not made with hands.

1 Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

I am assuming you think the temple wont be rebuilt but it does say he takes his "seat" or sitteth in the Temple

 

[Pilgrimshope]

These posts are too long and convoluted to respond to, pick a question, make it clear, and make that a single post.

I agree that the tribulation has been for the entire church age, I do not like to refer to the last seven years as "the tribulation" and even worse is when people call it "the great tribulation". I think the proper name is "the seventieth week" which is the last seven years for the Lord to deal with Israel and it begins when the church age ends. So "pre tribulation rapture" is a very poor wording, and "rapture at the end of the church age" would be much clearer.

However, just like the crucifixion of Jesus did not end the period for the Jews, they had 40 years on which to repent and receive the gospel before the temple was cast down and they were scattered to the four corners of the Earth. In the same way the 70th week begins, the church age ends, but you still get a period of grace for those not ready to be caught up to the heavens to be with Jesus.

So why did you respond and begin a conversation when I was talking to someone else ?

My posts are pretty long because they usually include the scriptures im talking about

Here’s a single question for you

what are you talking about when you say “ the rapture “ ?

Thats the question I’m asking you in order To try to understand your saying when I’m asking you this and then I quoted the scriptures about Jesus returning to gather his people at the end of the world it’s because I’m wondering if that’s what your talking about when you say “ the rapture “ because that term isn’t in the Bible it’s a construct led term to describe the day Christ returns to gather his elect people after the great tribulation at the end of the world


I’m asking if you’re talking about something else I haven’t heard about or read about in the Bible? Or is what you are talking about not in the Bible ?

 

[achduke7]

I am assuming you think the temple wont be rebuilt but it does say he takes his "seat" or sitteth in the Temple

I do not think the physical temple needs to be rebuilt but it may. I think the spirit of the devil will enter into the man of sin. Man was built as the temple for God. If a person does not have the Holy Spirit in them then they have an opening for unclean spirits.

Luke 11:24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out. 25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished. 26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

 

[GaryA]

I try not to equate Daniel’s 70th week with the great tribulation, the time of Jacob’s trouble.

That is good - because, the three are different from each other - the 70th week of Daniel ended in 34 A.D. - the 'great tribulation' (as spoken of by Jesus in the Olivet Discourse) has been "on-going" for the past ~2000 years - and, Jacob's Trouble is Armageddon.

 

[GaryA]

This doctrine that there is no pre 70th week rapture because we all must go through tribulation is a doctrine of ignorant men who don't read the Bible.

Anything-and-everything that is "pre-70th-week" is past history - because, the 70th week of Daniel ended in 34 A.D.

 

[ZNP]

You said the 70th week begins when the time of the gentiles end.

What about Luke 21:24

24 they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led captive among all nations; and Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

ZNP, I am a grumpy old man

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

This is what happened to Israel. They did fall by the edge of the sword, they were led away captive unto all nations and Jerusalem was trodden down of the Gentiles.

However, just because Israel now controls Jerusalem doesn't mean that the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. We might still have a few days left. Israel does not control the temple mount. The times of the Gentiles is quoted from Daniel, I believe that is a reference to the church age. I believe it concludes with the rapture.

Now if someone thinks this verse is a reference to the 70th week, it doesn't make sense. There is no reference at all of this happening during the seven years. We have wars against Israel, and we have Jesus stepping down on the mount of Olives, but not of Jews being taken captive to all the nations.

 

[ZNP]

So why did you respond and begin a conversation when I was talking to someone else ?

My posts are pretty long because they usually include the scriptures im talking about

Here’s a single question for you

what are you talking about when you say “ the rapture “ ?

Thats the question I’m asking you in order To try to understand your saying when I’m asking you this and then I quoted the scriptures about Jesus returning to gather his people at the end of the world it’s because I’m wondering if that’s what your talking about when you say “ the rapture “ because that term isn’t in the Bible it’s a construct led term to describe the day Christ returns to gather his elect people after the great tribulation at the end of the world


I’m asking if you’re talking about something else I haven’t heard about or read about in the Bible? Or is what you are talking about not in the Bible ?

I am referring to the word Harpazo which means to be snatched out of certain death/danger.

I am also referring to where it says we will be gathered together to the Lord in the clouds. That is not the "second coming" where Jesus steps down on the Mount of Olives, rather it is to the clouds.

I am also referring to "our blessed hope"

and I am referring to the redemption of our body.

However, I am not referring to what many Christians think where "every Christian" is taken before the seven years known as the 70th week. I don't believe every Christian, I don't even believe most Christians will be taken. I think 5/6th of the Christians who are alive today will go through the 70th week and many, perhaps most of them will be martyred during the first 3 1/2 years of the 70th week and then all of them will be in heaven with the two witnesses at the end of that 3 1/2 year period. I also believe there will be a great revival during that 3 1/2 year period.

 

[ZNP]

I suppose a better title for this would be "Bible interpretations that confuse us about the rapture". It seems you cannot even use this word "rapture" without everyone's opinion and interpretation coming forth.

 

[ZNP]

I suppose a better title for this would be "Bible interpretations that confuse us about the rapture". It seems you cannot even use this word "rapture" without everyone's opinion and interpretation coming forth.

This should be a warning to everyone, Satan obviously cares a whole lot about us understanding this, which is why he floods the airwaves with confusion. We call this "being over the target". Each one of us will need to study the word for ourselves, and build up our own understanding. But it is essential to Satan and the Antichrist that you not understand because he will be putting forth a counterfeit and if you don't understand the rapture you might fall for the great deception.

 

[achduke7]

I suppose a better title for this would be "Bible interpretations that confuse us about the rapture". It seems you cannot even use this word "rapture" without everyone's opinion and interpretation coming forth.

I just call it the Resurrection as Christ and the Apostles referred to throughout the new testament. The harpazo to me is part of the Resurrection.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I am referring to the word Harpazo which means to be snatched out of certain death/danger.

I am also referring to where it says we will be gathered together to the Lord in the clouds. That is not the "second coming" where Jesus steps down on the Mount of Olives, rather it is to the clouds.

I am also referring to "our blessed hope"

and I am referring to the redemption of our body.

However, I am not referring to what many Christians think where "every Christian" is taken before the seven years known as the 70th week. I don't believe every Christian, I don't even believe most Christians will be taken. I think 5/6th of the Christians who are alive today will go through the 70th week and many, perhaps most of them will be martyred during the first 3 1/2 years of the 70th week and then all of them will be in heaven with the two witnesses at the end of that 3 1/2 year period. I also believe there will be a great revival during that 3 1/2 year period.

“I am also referring to where it says we will be gathered together to the Lord in the clouds. That is not the "second coming"

so then your referring to this doctrine from the Bible right ?

“But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:24-27‬ ‭

sand yoye saying this isn’t something that happens when he returns from heaven in the same way he left ?

“And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:

and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so your talking about scripture like this then ? Or are you saying these are all different things Jesus is going to return several times or ?

“so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many;

and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many;”

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”

the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:

and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

all of them are talking about the same events it’s all based on what Jesus preached and said in the gospel the whole idea of his return and gathering his people comes from what Jesus promised believers in him

“In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus went into heaven and promised to return from heaven and gather believers to be with him after the tribulation of this world ends upon his return

For some who believe this day will be glorious for others it won’t be

“and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;


when he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe in that day.”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:7-10‬ ‭

Believers will be saved that day just before that happens in an instant suddenly like this at the last trump when Jesus returns from heaven

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:

for the trumpet shall sound,

and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,

and we shall be changed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:51-52‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Now consider that together with the other things paul said there in the scripture

the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,

and we shall be changed. then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

Do you see how what he was saying in other places is what’s meant to make sense of what he’s saying ?

 

[ZNP]

“I am also referring to where it says we will be gathered together to the Lord in the clouds. That is not the "second coming"

so then your referring to this doctrine from the Bible right ?

“But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:24-27‬ ‭

sand yoye saying this isn’t something that happens when he returns from heaven in the same way he left ?

“And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:

and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so your talking about scripture like this then ? Or are you saying these are all different things Jesus is going to return several times or ?

“so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many;

and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many;”

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”

the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:

and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

all of them are talking about the same events it’s all based on what Jesus preached and said in the gospel the whole idea of his return and gathering his people comes from what Jesus promised believers in him

“In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus went into heaven and promised to return from heaven and gather believers to be with him after the tribulation of this world ends upon his return

For some who believe this day will be glorious for others it won’t be

“and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;


when he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe in that day.”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:7-10‬ ‭

Believers will be saved that day just before that happens in an instant suddenly like this at the last trump when Jesus returns from heaven

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:

for the trumpet shall sound,

and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,

and we shall be changed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:51-52‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Now consider that together with the other things paul said there in the scripture

the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,

and we shall be changed. then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

Do you see how what he was saying in other places is what’s meant to make sense of what he’s saying ?

One question please.