Israel Declares War

[Moses_Young]

What "lie"? The inevitable promised redemption of the House of Jacob?

Hardening your heart despite the massive evidence is the same problem Pharoah had. Beware.

You speak of hardened hearts, and yet some calling themselves Christians apparently do not believe the verse below is for Christians. I trust that you are not one of them.

Romans 2:29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

[ZNP]

It wasn't a coincidence - it was a conspiracy, designed by the Rothschilds - very evil men. Now, yes, God could have been using them, or, they in turn could have been using scripture, to make it seem like a fulfilment. I don't know.

However, the attitude of those calling themselves Jews today fits in better with a description of them as the synogogue of Satan, than true Jews who have returned to their Messiah. So I'm thinking the latter explanation thus far.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter what we think. We are witnesses on Earth. Yet, a good witness does not declare some crimes as good, whether you believe the former explanation, or the latter.

OK, but it is a coincidence, in your opinion, that this conspiracy worked out in such a way that it looks like it was prophesied precisely by the prophets more than 2,000 years ago.

 

[ZNP]

I do not believe in coincidences, I believe that Jesus is Lord and all things that take place happen under His sovereignty.

 

[Moses_Young]

OK, but it is a coincidence, in your opinion, that this conspiracy worked out in such a way that it looks like it was prophesied precisely by the prophets more than 2,000 years ago.

I don't believe in coincidences. The state of Israel was clearly a conspiracy by the Rothschilds.

However, as for the passage below, I believe it better describes the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70, and yet that Christianity (i.e. the true Jews) spread across the world from that event, than the state of Israel being created after the Holocost some 2000 years later, with most of the inhabitants of that place being clearly anti-Christ. However, the nature of prophecy is largely that you don't know until it happens. So perhaps it hasn't happened yet?

Ezekiel 37:1 - 14
The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones.
He led me back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the valley, bones that were very dry.
He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear the word of the Lord!
This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I will make breath enter you, and you will come to life.
I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the Lord.’”
So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no breath in them.
Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and breathe into these slain, that they may live.’”
So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet—a vast army.
Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’
Therefore prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel.
Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves and bring you up from them.
I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”

 

[iamsoandso]

Paul predicts in his letter to the Romans.

He was not writing to a group of people about events that had not meaning to them.

Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. "As touching the election...(i.e. the yet unconverted elect national Israelites)..."​

That is the same group as Paul mentioned earlier:

Romans 11:5-7 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. {6} And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. What then?I srael hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

There were the national Israelites who were not elect, and there were the national Israelites who were elect. Only those would be saved, and they are part of the true Israel of God. Paul saw a definite future for the remnant of national Israel who had not yet been converted but who were elect. And they were finally converted before God destroyed Jerusalem in AD 70.

Your still trying to conclude all prophecy fulfilled by ad70 it seems.(your trying to show that there was a mass conversion at the siege ending the remnant by a certain date)...

I would ask your self if you consider your own self one of those 7000 that were that remnant in the year 2023. Why is Paul including himself in that remnant prior to the siege and why does he bring up Elijah from the past if it was an one time event? https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/11.htm

 

[ZNP]

I don't believe in coincidences. The state of Israel was clearly a conspiracy by the Rothschilds.

However, as for the passage below, I believe it better describes the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70, and yet that Christianity (i.e. the true Jews) spread across the world from that event, than the state of Israel being created after the Holocost some 2000 years later, with most of the inhabitants of that place being clearly anti-Christ. However, the nature of prophecy is largely that you don't know until it happens. So perhaps it hasn't happened yet?

Ezekiel 37:1 - 14
The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones.
He led me back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the valley, bones that were very dry.
He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones live?”
I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”
Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear the word of the Lord!
This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I will make breath enter you, and you will come to life.
I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the Lord.’”
So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no breath in them.
Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and breathe into these slain, that they may live.’”
So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet—a vast army.
Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’
Therefore prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel.
Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves and bring you up from them.
I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”

Are you saying that it was the Rothschilds that caused the Jews to return to Israel and not God and not the fulfillment of God's word?

 

[Moses_Young]

Your still trying to conclude all prophecy fulfilled by ad70 it seems.(your trying to show that there was a mass conversion at the siege ending the remnant by a certain date)...

I would ask your self if you consider your own self one of those 7000 that were that remnant in the year 2023. Why is Paul including himself in that remnant prior to the siege and why does he bring up Elijah from the past if it was an one time event? https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/11.htm

I'm not sure it was a mass conversion - all the Christians in Jerusalem simply heeded Jesus' words and fled, as He had warned them, and were spared the destruction of the city that followed. They then went throughout the whole world making disciples as Jesus commanded - true Jews, or Christians as most of us call ourselves today.

 

[Moses_Young]

Are you saying that it was the Rothschilds that caused the Jews to return to Israel and not God and not the fulfillment of God's word?

I am saying it was definitely the Rothschilds that caused the Jews to return to Israel. But ultimately, nothing happens without God allowing it to happen. So God allowed it, if He did not actively cause the Rothschilds to do this.

I am saying whether this was fulfillment of prophecy is a separate issue, but with what I have seen, I am thinking it was more a machination of man than fulfilment of prophecy by God. Perhaps the endeavour by man was to make it look like a fulfilment of prophecy?

 

[ZNP]

Definition of coincidence -- a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances without apparent causal connection.

If you do not believe that the Jews returning to Israel was a remarkable event that was not caused by God, was not prophesied by the prophets but was caused by the Rothschilds. Then by definition you believe it was a remarkable concurrence of events without causal connection to God and His word.

I believe the word of God when it says all things came into being through the word and apart from the word nothing that has come into being came into being that tells me that the Bible prophesied about the Jews returning and the Rothschilds may have been pawns in God's plan, but it was God, not the Rothschilds who brought this about.

 

[ZNP]

I am saying it was definitely the Rothschilds that caused the Jews to return to Israel. But ultimately, nothing happens without God allowing it to happen. So God allowed it, if He did not actively cause the Rothschilds to do this.

I am saying whether this was fulfillment of prophecy is a separate issue, but with what I have seen, I am thinking it was more a machination of man than fulfilment of prophecy by God. Perhaps the endeavour by man was to make it look like a fulfilment of prophecy?

Oh, so you are saying this did not come into being because of the word of God but rather because of the machinations of Satanists?

 

[Moses_Young]

Definition of coincidence -- a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances without apparent causal connection.

If you do not believe that the Jews returning to Israel was a remarkable event that was not caused by God, was not prophesied by the prophets but was caused by the Rothschilds. Then by definition you believe it was a remarkable concurrence of events without causal connection to God and His word.

I believe the word of God when it says all things came into being through the word and apart from the word nothing that has come into being came into being that tells me that the Bible prophesied about the Jews returning and the Rothschilds may have been pawns in God's plan, but it was God, not the Rothschilds who brought this about.

God's prophecy states "Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves and bring you up from them."

If it really was God, and not the Rothschilds, creating the state of Israel as fulfillment of this scripture, then we will see the Jews acknowledging Jesus as Messiah. That we haven't, makes me suspect the event is more likely to be a conspiracy by men, allowed by the permissive will of God.

 

[ZNP]

God's prophecy states "Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves and bring you up from them."

If it really was God, and not the Rothschilds, creating the state of Israel as fulfillment of this scripture, then we will see the Jews acknowledging Jesus as Messiah. That we haven't, makes me suspect the event is more likely to be a conspiracy by men, allowed by the permissive will of God.

Many Jews know that the reason they are in Israel is because of God.

But you haven't responded to this post. You have admitted that it was God, not the Rothschilds who had the ultimate responsibility for the Jews returning to Israel and that the Rothschilds like every other Satanist is simply a pawn doing God's will.

But what about John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Do you believe this?

 

[cv5]

You speak of hardened hearts, and yet some calling themselves Christians apparently do not believe the verse below is for Christians. I trust that you are not one of them.

Romans 2:29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The prophecies are clear: Israel the nation is to be redeemed yet future.
For some reason supposed Christians hate this gracious intervention.

Much like the son who complained of the redemption of his brother.

 

[iamsoandso]

I'm not sure it was a mass conversion - all the Christians in Jerusalem simply heeded Jesus' words and fled, as He had warned them, and were spared the destruction of the city that followed. They then went throughout the whole world making disciples as Jesus commanded - true Jews, or Christians as most of us call ourselves today.

Yes even James and the disciples in Acts 21 I see as the remnant which event is approx. ad59. James they think was in Jerusalem with the disciples and died between ad62-69 so possibly 10 years after Acts 21 when Paul was arrested. You mention them heeding the words and fleeing(when they saw the AOD Jesus mentioned) so bare in mind that if James,the disciples and Paul were still in Jerusalem between ad 59-69 then to them that abomination in their opinion did not yet exist(they would not have been there if they saw it at that time)... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James,_brother_of_Jesus

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Israel got its statehood using terrorisms.
FIRST ACTS OF TERRORISM, COINING THE PHRASE
Hagana, Irgun and Stern gangs who threw bombs into buses, assassinated British and other officials and murdered Palestinians way before the Palestinians retaliated in kind.
https://rense.com//general21/pastzionist.htm
As I see it, Bibi is pulling another con and he is again getting his way.

NOPE!!! League of Nations all agreed. You're spreading LIES and PROPAGANDA.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The prophecies are clear: Israel the nation is to be redeemed yet future.
For some reason supposed Christians hate this gracious intervention.

Much like the son who complained of the redemption of his brother.

We were grafted in!! We should be able to see the mercy of God and rejoice! It stuns me that people don't see it.

 

[ZNP]

NOPE!!! League of Nations all agreed. You're spreading LIES and PROPAGANDA.

I thought we already confirmed that he was spreading lies.

 

[HeIsHere]

Your still trying to conclude all prophecy fulfilled by ad70 it seems.(your trying to show that there was a mass conversion at the siege ending the remnant by a certain date)...

I would ask your self if you consider your own self one of those 7000 that were that remnant in the year 2023. Why is Paul including himself in that remnant prior to the siege and why does he bring up Elijah from the past if it was an one time event? https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/11.htm

Not sure scripture states it is mass conversion if you mean a large number, a remnant is not a large number especially in that time period. As well we are looking at this happening over a period of time from when Paul wrote the letter to the Romans, estimated 57 AD.

Remember the converts would have been evangelizing the Jew as that time.

I will look at your reference about Elijah.

 

[Smoke]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1716510296808788008

These are disgusting people who do not seem to have any shame or remorse for their acts.

I did find a part of the interview frightenly similar...

Interviewer: Kill all the men?

Hamas terrorist: The young men.

Interviewer: Young civilians?

Hamas terrorist: It doesn’t matter, military men, civilian men…

I hear many people defend Israel bombing Gaza claiming to be targeting Hamas but not caring if they are killing more civilians than actual terrorists. We all see it's wicked when it's Hamas doing it, just not when Israel does it.

Emphasis is on damage, not accuracy

The wild thing is, Israel openly admits it's focus on indiscriminate bombing is for widespread damage and not "accuracy", yet people here still argue they are being discriminate and that they care about Palestinian civilians. They are essentially defending Israel while calling them liars. Very strange.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

What does that have to do with what I posted. I'll repeat, hopefully this time you will actually read it.

If you don't believe the Bible you are forced to believe in coincidences.

For example if you don't believe that the Bible prophesies that the Jews will be made into a nation of Israel in one day, that it will be something never heard of or seen before, and that they will look like dry bones walking out of the graves when they leave the concentration camp and come to Israel then you must believe in coincidences.

Where is that prophesied