Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

[The_Watchers_2017]

He said, He did not LOSE any, but the son of Perdition.

so, He's only talking about the Disciples, in this Passage of Scripture, not all people who end up Saved.

talk about abusing the meaning to a simple definition!

and then Jesus went onto Pray, [[DO NOT]] take them out of this world.
and they ALL Died Martyrs, but John!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

do you know how twisted one has to be to remove the sole meaning of Disciples, for it to mean, Everyone?
it's a False Ploy or Trap, that leads, to a False Sense of a Truth that factually [[does not]] exist...

 

[rogerg]

While abiding in Christ is a necessity, what you have stated is false. That is NOT the basis of salvation, and would lead to uncertainty. I could give you a dozen verses to refute what you have said, but you should search them out for yourself.

Indulge me if you would, please post a few you have in mind so we can understand where you're coming from.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

do you know how twisted one has to be to remove the sole meaning of Disciples, for it to mean, Everyone?
it's a False Ploy or Trap, that leads, to a False Sense of a Truth that factually [[does not]] exist...

using that Passage of Scripture, for OSAS, is the biggest LIE that Satan ever had the world swallow hook line and sinker.

 

[Jimbone]

He said, He did not LOSE any, but the son of Perdition.

so, He's only talking about the Disciples, in this Passage of Scripture, not all people who end up Saved.

talk about abusing the meaning to a simple definition!

I think you are abusing His word to keep up your works based, glory usurping, God reducing "you can lose salvation" false doctrine. You're adding to scripture to make it say that. So in John 10 is He ONLY talking about the disciples?
John 10

22 At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the colonnade of Solomon. 24 So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.” 25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

So is He only talking about certain sheep of His here? How do you warp this one to fit the powerless silly God that saves people that will throw it back in His weak face? I guess those that lose there salvation just weren't as good as you huh? They just don't measure up to your strength and glory. I sure hope you thank yourself for being so strong despite a God that can't keep you. Glory to you right?

 

[Jimbone]

While abiding in Christ is a necessity, what you have stated is false. That is NOT the basis of salvation, and would lead to uncertainty. I could give you a dozen verses to refute what you have said, but you should search them out for yourself.

Are you saying what Paul said was false? I was talking about the scripture he mentioned. LOL.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I think you are abusing His word to keep up your works based, glory usurping, God reducing "you can lose salvation" false doctrine. You're adding to scripture to make it say that. So in John 10 is He ONLY talking about the disciples?
John 10

22 At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the colonnade of Solomon. 24 So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.” 25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

So is He only talking about certain sheep of His here? How do you warp this one to fit the powerless silly God that saves people that will throw it back in His weak face? I guess those that lose there salvation just weren't as good as you huh? They just don't measure up to your strength and glory. I sure hope you thank yourself for being so strong despite a God that can't keep you. Glory to you right?

the bulb ain't very bright: 7 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me ...what do the Sheep do? Follow, Obey, Do as Ordered, so by FREE WILL, of their own doing, they REMAIN in GOD!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

How does God know His Sheep?

They are the ONES FOLLOWING HIM by their own Will!!

 

[PennEd]

the bulb ain't very bright: 7 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me ...what do the Sheep do? Follow, Obey, Do as Ordered, so by FREE WILL, of their own doing, they REMAIN in GOD!

Ummm. Don’t sheep remain sheep no matter what they do?

I’ve never seen a sheep morph into a dog or wolf, or pig or……

They ALWAYS remain a sheep.

Might get dirty, stuck in the mud, or even lost, but thankfully that Shepherd NEVER fails to clean, free, and find them!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Ummm. Don’t sheep remain sheep no matter what they do?

I’ve never seen a sheep morph into a dog or wolf, or pig or……

They ALWAYS remain a sheep.

Might get dirty, stuck in the mud, or even lost, but thankfully that Shepherd NEVER fails to clean, free, and find them!

but sheep only have 1 nature, we are Adopted sheep with 2 Natures.

 

[Jimbone]

the bulb ain't very bright: 7 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me ...what do the Sheep do? Follow, Obey, Do as Ordered, so by FREE WILL, of their own doing, they REMAIN in GOD!

Wow you're calling me stupid when the very next verse DESTROYS your whole "you can lose salvation" argument. "I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. ". All right sunshine, the brightest of all, you're to clever for me so I'm just going to praise my powerful God for saving me completely and forever. You keep earning your salvation genius.

 

[Jimbone]

but sheep only have 1 nature, we are Adopted sheep with 2 Natures.

Prove that with scripture.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Moses never Said, GOD, i am going to confront Pharaoh!!

Nope, God said, MOSES, I Command You to GO...and Moses made a CHOICE, he went.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Wow you're calling me stupid when the very next verse DESTROYS your whole "you can lose salvation" argument. "I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. ". All right sunshine, the brightest of all, you're to clever for me so I'm just going to praise my powerful God for saving me completely and forever. You keep earning your salvation genius.

never said you were stupid stupid. am referring to the Verse used as being not bright when it specifically says the [sheep] FOLLOW.

and for Following, look what the sheep get: "I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. "

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Prove that with scripture.

Adam [Satan] is your real daddy, God, is your Adopted Father..you have been BEGOTTEN, just like the example Jesus gave us when He was Baptized, He became Begotten [this day]

 

[Jimbone]

Moses never Said, GOD, i am going to confront Pharaoh!!

Nope, God said, MOSES, I Command You to GO...and Moses made a CHOICE, he went.

That's it, you worship you choice. That's it, you believe "your choice" is what saved you. Guess you have a reason to boast. Good for you, you're wrong, but go on and glorify yourself buddy. Jesus saved me and gets every bit of the glory for every bit of it.

 

[Jimbone]

Adam [Satan] is your real daddy, God, is your Adopted Father..you have been BEGOTTEN, just like the example Jesus gave us when He was Baptized, He became Begotten [this day]

The old man was put to death, so nope, just His now. Good day to you.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

The old man was put to death, so nope, just His now. Thank you for exposing's yourself though, acting like YOU know my salvation status. What a divisive joke you are. Good day to you.

you just LIED, so, the old man is very much ALIVE within You!

you will SIN a hundred times this week. Your Old man will never be Dead until you are in Heaven!

Paul, KILLED his DAILY!

that means Paul's Old Man was Alive until he went to be with God.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Paul, KILLED his DAILY!

that means Paul's Old Man was Alive until he went to be with God.

why did Paul KILL his Old Man Daily?

because, any time we SIN, WE ARE SERVING the OLD MAN, not serving God.

and if we should SIN MORE, thinking it's GRACE, we are only making a complete Fool out of ourselves.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

we SUBMIT our "will" to do God's Will, just like Jesus showed us, not My Will but Your Will be done.

what would have happened if Jesus did not Remain in God by not Submitting to God [I know Jesus is God, but this is serious here]?

and we are to REMAIN in Christ in order to do God's Will.

so, on AVERAGE, per any given day, how many times is YOUR PERSONAL WILL getting done over God's WILL?

the WILL that gets SERVED the Most, is who is [God] to them!