Wow, so you admit that's what you're doing! Aw, that's so sweet. Thank you!
The End Times: Who is the Beast and the Antichrist?
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Wow, so you admit that's what you're doing! Aw, that's so sweet. Thank you!
With all of the time you have to post, still not a single word from you on what "great city" is guilty of the blood of the prophets.Wow, so you admit that's what you're doing! Aw, that's so sweet. Thank you!
We both know why that is, don't we?
Have a nice willfully ignorant day as you continue to stir up God's anger towards yourself for repeatedly misrepresenting his word.
Why does it matter? We will all see the end of time when we take our last breath or Jesus returns. Either way, it's game over.There's a thread right now called "What is the point of being a prophet?" where the original poster starts with that question and then several posts later give his prophecy about the beast which he thinks is Russia, the antichrist which he thinks is Putin and the US he thinks is Babylon. There are too many Bible verses that contradict that prophecy and I posted that as such.
I'm truly surprised that no one is posting against that false prophecy except me though. This forum is well versed in the Rapture and its various positions of No-. Pre-, Mid-, and Post-Tribulation Rapture. So the silence on other areas of study on the end times is quite significant and I think strange.
I think this is a very important topic since the end times and the revealing of the beast is fast approaching with a lot of false prophecy is coming out of the woodwork lately to try to distract us from the real deal. I don't think we should be uninformed about this. So I'm asking everyone: Who do you think is the beast, the antichrist and Babylon? Please post the Bible verses that brought you to that belief.
Thanks!
I'm a post-tribber so that means I believe we will all be here when all this goes down. It helps to know who they are so that we won't be fooled.
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
It's only possible to deceive us if we don't know.
If you don't think we'll be here then go ahead and skip this thread. But this might be a good reference if the ac shows up and you're still here.
The smoke from some burning towers in NYC on 9/11 travelled drifted 70 km downwind:
https://www.earthdata.nasa.gov/learn/sensing-our-planet/following-the-world-trade-center-plume
The MISR data enabled Kahn and his colleagues on the MISR team to calculate the maximum height and drift of the smoke plume billowing from the World Trade Center site. With the MISR data, Kahn calculated the height of the plume, composed of sub-visible aerosols, to be 1.25 to 1.5 kilometers (0.78 to 0.93 miles), at four sites, as the smoke drifted 70 kilometers (44 miles) downwind on September 12. Kahn said, “Most people were surprised the plume got as high as it actually did.”
Absolutely true we can be easily deceived if we don't know. That is don't know God's word. If we know God's word and follow Christ then to me it doesn't matter what comes my way. Any tribulation such as the first century endured or death or Jesus' return. Jesus warned of the tribulation that the first century Christians would endure but it didn't change a thing. They still had to endure it.I'm a post-tribber so that means I believe we will all be here when all this goes down. It helps to know who they are so that we won't be fooled.
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
It's only possible to deceive us if we don't know.
If you don't think we'll be here then go ahead and skip this thread. But this might be a good reference if the ac shows up and you're still here.
What's I feel is important is knowing God's word and living it so we are ready for whatever comes.
I responded to the false claim made.If you choose to not know, why did you even bother to respond to this thread then?
Yeah, I have no problem with how you want to handle things. But you should let others handle things their way too (if it's within God's permissive will). It's not sin to want to investigate these things just as it's no sin if you don't want to.
that is not my problem you did not see itReally? I didn't see your rebuttal against the false interpretation that Babylon is Jerusalem.
You were not the first to do so.
It is only "false" to willfully blind people like you.
I have already rightly shown at least the following:
The "great city" is where our Lord was crucified.
The merchants will bewail the burning of this "great city" because they will not be buying their merchandise anymore, and all of the listed merchandise pertains to the building of a temple, the maintenance of a temple, the sacrifices of a temple, etc., and the temple is always in Jerusalem.
This "great city" is held accountable for the blood of the prophets, and Jesus Christ, not that his words mean anything to a rebel like you, told us that this "great city" is Jerusalem.
Peter sent a salutation from "the church at Babylon", and there is nothing in scripture which indicates that Peter was ever in literal Babylon, but he is regularly seen in Jerusalem in scripture.
I have also compared the woman's attire or array to that of Israel's high priest because that was the intended comparison in the book of Revelation.
I have also rightfully noted that this "great city" is "the MOTHER of harlots" or that she is the progenitor of the harlots which came after her. Of course, and much to your chagrin, we all know who the original spiritual harlot was in scripture.
You?
Just a bunch of slander, immature emoticons, and ridiculous assertions.
Sound about right?
Just a quick piece of advice for anybody here who has not already been woefully brainwashed.
When it comes to identifying any entity in the Bible, look at all of the descriptors that you are given. Every one of them needs to be a match.
Of course, in some of the absolute nonsense which has been paraded as "biblical truth" on this thread, nothing matches.
In other words, their "great city Babylon" is not even a city, nor is it truly accountable for the blood of the prophets. Of course, Peter was not writing from there either, nor were the merchants of the sea selling it the listed merchandise in the book of Revelation.
Do not let any of these truths trouble you though.
Just keep on insisting that you are right, in spite of ever-mounting evidence to the contrary, and, in time, you too can be deluded.
Seriously, several people on this thread need to be on their knees repenting before God as opposed to posting here, but their pride and stubbornness prevents them from doing so.
Anyhow, the woman sitting upon the beast is Jerusalem, and, of course, for anybody here who has the slightest clue of what they are talking about, this makes perfect sense. In other words, in the last days, Jerusalem (the woman) will enter in an agreement with the antichrist (the beast), and he, the antichrist, will sit within a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem prior to Christ's second coming. Eventually, the antichrist will turn against Jerusalem, and she will be burnt with fire. Then Christ will return as Israel's/Jerusalem's true King to reign over this earth.
Just a quick reality check in layman's terms.
When it comes to identifying any entity in the Bible, look at all of the descriptors that you are given. Every one of them needs to be a match.
Of course, in some of the absolute nonsense which has been paraded as "biblical truth" on this thread, nothing matches.
In other words, their "great city Babylon" is not even a city, nor is it truly accountable for the blood of the prophets. Of course, Peter was not writing from there either, nor were the merchants of the sea selling it the listed merchandise in the book of Revelation.
Do not let any of these truths trouble you though.
Just keep on insisting that you are right, in spite of ever-mounting evidence to the contrary, and, in time, you too can be deluded.
Seriously, several people on this thread need to be on their knees repenting before God as opposed to posting here, but their pride and stubbornness prevents them from doing so.
Anyhow, the woman sitting upon the beast is Jerusalem, and, of course, for anybody here who has the slightest clue of what they are talking about, this makes perfect sense. In other words, in the last days, Jerusalem (the woman) will enter in an agreement with the antichrist (the beast), and he, the antichrist, will sit within a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem prior to Christ's second coming. Eventually, the antichrist will turn against Jerusalem, and she will be burnt with fire. Then Christ will return as Israel's/Jerusalem's true King to reign over this earth.
Just a quick reality check in layman's terms.
By tradition it is said they Paul was beheaded in Rome, there is no documents that proves he died in Jerusalem.
Blessings.
What you say about Jerusalem is interesting, I will look into this further, However we do not have the full details in the Bible to be certain, Rome/Vatican also seem to fit the description, perhaps in this time-frame of the last days, Jerusalem is a possibility, the level of corruption there in both the politicians and religious leaders is quite shocking.
Do you guys know who funded the rebuilding of Israel?
see link;
https://www.thejc.com/news/news/a-family-that-helped-build-a-new-nation-1.448063
Blessings.
I did not say that he died in Jerusalem. He was, however, in the hands of the Romans because the Jews at Jerusalem wanted him dead.
Acts 20:22-23
"And now, behold, I go bound in the spirit unto Jerusalem, not knowing the things that shall befall me there: Save that the Holy Ghost witnesseth in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions abide me."
Acts 21:10-13
"And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus. And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles. And when we heard these things, both we, and they of that place, besought him not to go up to Jerusalem. Then Paul answered, What mean ye to weep and to break mine heart? for I am ready not to be bound only, but also to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus."
Acts 25:1-3
"Now when Festus was come into the province, after three days he ascended from Caesarea to Jerusalem. Then the high priest and the chief of the Jews informed him against Paul, and besought him, And desired favour against him, that he would send for him to Jerusalem, laying wait in the way to kill him."
Etc., etc.
The Vatican is the beast, and Jerusalem is the woman who is depicted as sitting atop the beast in that she will enter into a last days agreement with the Vatican/the beast out of which will come a rebuilt temple, and we must not conflate the two (the beast and the woman).
Ultimately, the Vatican/the beast will turn against the woman (Jerusalem) and burn her with fire.
Revelation 17:12-18
"And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth."
What we should be looking for is ten kings who will give their power to the beast (the Vatican) in the last days. These shall ultimately hate the whore (Jerusalem), and shall make her desolate and naked, and eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. Again, Jerusalem is the whore or the woman which is the great city which will be reigning over the kings of the earth under the rulership of the antichrist, who will be situated in Jerusalem, at that time.
Btw, I do not mean for this to be an "appeal to authority fallacy" (especially in that I do not fully agree with what these "authorities" believed), but the Protestant Reformers pretty much agreed that the Vatican was the kingdom of antichrist. However, and this is a big however, they also seemed to agree that "Babylon the great" or the "whore" was Rome, and that is pure nonsense. Again, the beast (the Vatican) will ultimately turn against the whore, and Rome is not going to be turning against itself...which would have to be the case if the woman/whore truly was representative of Rome.
The beast most certainly is representative of Rome, and, more specifically, of the Vatican, but the woman or whore who sits atop her is Jerusalem.
Again, if we have even a simple understanding of scripture, then this makes perfect sense because the antichrist is going to sit within a rebuilt temple IN JERUSALEM prior to Christ's second coming.
The beast most certainly is representative of Rome, and, more specifically, of the Vatican, but the woman or whore who sits atop her is Jerusalem.
Again, if we have even a simple understanding of scripture, then this makes perfect sense because the antichrist is going to sit within a rebuilt temple IN JERUSALEM prior to Christ's second coming.
If we rightly understand that this "great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified" (Revelation 11:8) is Jerusalem, then we also gain more insight into other portions of scripture within the book of Revelation like the following ones:
Revelation 16:4-7
"And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments."
According to Jesus Christ (and Jeremiah, Paul, and Stephen, to name a few), in God's sight, Jerusalem is accountable for the blood of the prophets, and this is precisely why God will give them blood to drink when the vials of the wrath of God are poured out. Again, they are spiritually called Egypt, and they will therefore be punished with some of the same plagues which came upon Egypt in the coming last days.
Revelation 16:10-11
"And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds."
Where is the beast's seat going to be in the last days?
It will be IN JERUSALEM, and his kingdom will be full of darkness, which was another plague that came upon Egypt.
Revelation 16:4-7
"And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments."
According to Jesus Christ (and Jeremiah, Paul, and Stephen, to name a few), in God's sight, Jerusalem is accountable for the blood of the prophets, and this is precisely why God will give them blood to drink when the vials of the wrath of God are poured out. Again, they are spiritually called Egypt, and they will therefore be punished with some of the same plagues which came upon Egypt in the coming last days.
Revelation 16:10-11
"And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds."
Where is the beast's seat going to be in the last days?
It will be IN JERUSALEM, and his kingdom will be full of darkness, which was another plague that came upon Egypt.