The End Times: Who is the Beast and the Antichrist?

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

You may continue to believe this if you wish, but I am watching for a very evil, wicked man that comes from the area of Alexandra's Empire that will be able to do what no other before him has done.
He will unite all the many sects of Islam to destroy Israel.
They have been trying for 75 years to do as their prophet told them to do. Kill all who will not worship allah.
They have failed because of infighting among themselves.
The Man of Sin will unite them and because of their willingness to die to kill an infidel, they will by shear numbers over run Israel and drive them into the wilderness where God will protect them for 1260 days until He returns.
They will then turn their rage on the saints for 1260 days.

I think the "ac as a Muslim" interpretation isn't right and is just to distract us from the real ac. The ac wants to be the only god the world worships, not Allah. The Jews wouldn't want to follow this guy and if the ac is really a Muslim, he wouldn't allow the Jewish temple to be rebuilt for their sacrifices. If he is a Muslim, he'd just try to kill all the Jews. The diehard Muslims themselves won't follow this guy either once he declares himself a god.

I also think that when the ac first shows up, he will come across as a "good" guy to the whole world and this is why he'll allow the Jews to make their sacrifices. He might even appeal to the Christians and do some Christian things too to try to win them over....until the mark is instituted.


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[shittim]

My Bible says he will be from Greece, and Turkey was a part of Greece at the time it was written.
So thankful He wants me to devote my remaining time here to doing His will for His Kingdom and not losing time pondering who it will be.
The adversary often works by distraction.
best wishes

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

If you had bothered to read, with an honest open spirit and mind (Acts 17v10-12), the Blog that I did on this, you would see most definitely, that Jerusalem, who is called "the city, the great one" (two definite articles), "the prostitute" is indeed also referred to in The Revelation of Jesus Christ as Babylon, (Sodom and Egypt)!

That interpretation contradicts the Bible prophecies. I pointed out just one contradiction but there are also others. Don't take it personally. People are rejecting that interpretation, not you.


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[seekingthemindofChrist]

Who killed Jesus and Paul?

If you want to ask the wrong question, then you will easily provide yourself with the wrong answer.

The correct question is what city is guilty of the blood of both Jesus and Paul, and the correct answer to that question is Jerusalem.

Regarding Jesus:

Matthew 20:17-19

"And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again."

Regarding Paul:

Acts 21:10-14

"And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus. And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles. And when we heard these things, both we, and they of that place, besought him not to go up to Jerusalem. Then Paul answered, What mean ye to weep and to break mine heart? for I am ready not to be bound only, but also to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus. And when he would not be persuaded, we ceased, saying, The will of the Lord be done."

Whether you or any of the other scripture haters here like it or not, the "great city" of the book of Revelation, or "Babylon the great," is guilty of the blood of the prophets, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Revelation 18:24

"And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth."

Jesus Christ, not that his words mean anything to several of you, told us exactly what city this is:

Matthew 23:34-37

"Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!"

You and your equally ignorant friends here can kick against this truth all that you want to, but you are only openly manifesting your own folly, stubbornness, and pride in doing so. My advice to all of you is to repent, but I will not hold my breath waiting for it to happen.

 

[Moses_Young]

What trump is going thru would be politically fatal to anyone but him, it just makes him stronger. What does the Bible say about someone who suffers a seemingly fatal blow to then take power?

My take ... not prophesy but opinion ... trump will broker a peace deal between Israel and the Arabs. He's already making headway on that. This will allow the Jews to start rebuilding their temple. When it's done, he'll declare himself god and move in.

And no I do not hate trump. I hate that he's deceiving believers that he is from God, all the while leading them away from core Godly values.

I like Trump for his (apparent) honesty, and hope it is not as you say. But my concern is that it is. If and when he takes back power and pulls the Deep State to heel, he will be a hero. The question I'm wondering is whether he is actually fulfilling prophecy, or is someone trying to make it look like he is.

The fatal blow to me seems to be physical also. If Trump suffers some sort of assassination attempt, and dies or appears to die, but then somehow recovers... It will be a worrying sign. Then undoubtedly, he will either be prophecy fulfillment, or someone's attempt at creating the illusion of prophecy fulfillment.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I like Trump for his (apparent) honesty, and hope it is not as you say. But my concern is that it is. If and when he takes back power and pulls the Deep State to heel, he will be a hero. The question I'm wondering is whether he is actually fulfilling prophecy, or is someone trying to make it look like he is.

The fatal blow to me seems to be physical also. If Trump suffers some sort of assassination attempt, and dies or appears to die, but then somehow recovers... It will be a worrying sign. Then undoubtedly, he will either be prophecy fulfillment, or someone's attempt at creating the illusion of prophecy fulfillment.

Trump is too old to be the ac. The globalists don't want Christians supporting him is all. When the next person Christians support shows, that person will be labeled by the globalists as the ac too. Rinse and repeat, lol! The ac is someone we don't specifically know yet. He'll be revealed when he rises to power.


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[Moses_Young]

Trump is too old to be the ac. The globalists don't want Christians supporting him is all. When the next person Christians support shows, that person will be labeled by the globalists as the ac too. Rinse and repeat, lol! The ac is someone we don't specifically know yet. He'll be revealed when he rises to power.🦜

You don't think Trump will "rise to power" in 2024?

 

[seekingthemindofChrist]

The great city of Babylon is a one-world political/religious system. Satan, the AC, when he comes, will set himself up in Jerusalem claiming to be God. And the whole world will whore after him, being deceived, believing he is the true Jesus. This one-world system is the “city.” Got it, Dusty?

Hey, you got one part right. Perhaps there is some hope for you yet.

Yes, the antichrist will be set up in Jerusalem at that time, and this is precisely why Jerusalem (the city) will be reigning over the earth at that time.

Revelation 17:18

"And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth."

Try as you may, you will never be able to prove from scripture that this "great city" is not a literal city...especially when every reference to this "great city" in the book of Revelation points directly to Jerusalem.

Oh, and I did not know if I should laugh or cry (for you) when you called me "Dusty."

You are so clueless that it is literal frightening, and I have prayed for you several times already.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

If you want to ask the wrong question, then you will easily provide yourself with the wrong answer.

The correct question is what city is guilty of the blood of both Jesus and Paul, and the correct answer to that question is Jerusalem.

Regarding Jesus:

Matthew 20:17-19

"And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again."

Regarding Paul:

Acts 21:10-14

"And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus. And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles. And when we heard these things, both we, and they of that place, besought him not to go up to Jerusalem. Then Paul answered, What mean ye to weep and to break mine heart? for I am ready not to be bound only, but also to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus. And when he would not be persuaded, we ceased, saying, The will of the Lord be done."

Whether you or any of the other scripture haters here like it or not, the "great city" of the book of Revelation, or "Babylon the great," is guilty of the blood of the prophets, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Revelation 18:24

"And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth."

Jesus Christ, not that his words mean anything to several of you, told us exactly what city this is:

Matthew 23:34-37

"Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!"

You and your equally ignorant friends here can kick against this truth all that you want to, but you are only openly manifesting your own folly, stubbornness, and pride in doing so. My advice to all of you is to repent, but I will not hold my breath waiting for it to happen.

You're too fixated on that one verse. There are other verses that describe Babylon in other respects to show that it isn't Jerusalem.

So if Jerusalem is destroyed and never found, where will the Lord Jesus reign when He comes back? You never answered that.


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[seekingthemindofChrist]

You're too fixated on that one verse. There are other verses that describe Babylon in other respects to show that it isn't Jerusalem.

So if Jerusalem is destroyed and never found, where will the Lord Jesus reign when He comes back? You never answered that.


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First of all, neither you, nor I, nor anybody else should ignore any of the descriptors that we are given of this "great city" in the book of Revelation, but that is precisely what you and several others here have foolishly chosen to do. Like it or not, this "great city" is guilty of the blood of prophets, and the Bible (Do you believe the Bible?) places that blame upon one city, and upon one city alone:

Jerusalem.

If that rubs you the wrong way, then too bad. It is the word of God, and neither you nor anybody else here will ever prevail against it.

Also, I have covered several other descriptors of this "great city" which equally point directly to Jerusalem, so, no, I am not fixated merely upon that one verse, but, unlike you, I will not ignore it.

Finally, I did already properly answer this question that you again posed.

Like I correctly said, a comparison (Do you know what a comparison is?) was being made there between "Babylon the great" and literal Bablyon.

Here is the text, again:

Jeremiah 51:60-64

"So Jeremiah wrote in a book all the evil that should come upon Babylon, even all these words that are written against Babylon. And Jeremiah said to Seraiah, When thou comest to Babylon, and shalt see, and shalt read all these words; Then shalt thou say, O LORD, thou hast spoken against this place, to cut it off, that none shall remain in it, neither man nor beast, but that it shall be desolate for ever. And it shall be, when thou hast made an end of reading this book, that thou shalt bind a stone to it, and cast it into the midst of Euphrates: And thou shalt say, Thus shall Babylon sink, and shall not rise from the evil that I will bring upon her: and they shall be weary. Thus far are the words of Jeremiah."

Compared to:

Revelation 18:20-21

"Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

Now, I am going to ask you a very simple question, and let's see if you can answer it honestly or not:

Has literal Babylon, which "that great city Babylon" is being compared to here, ceased to exist?

Of course, the correct answer to this question is "NO!"...and the same will apply to "that great city Babylon" which is here being compared to her.

Also, do not miss the part where God avenges the prophets on "that great city Babylon."

Again, whether you like it or not, God can only avenge the prophets upon those who have killed the prophets, and that is "the great city" of Jerusalem.

Now, will you kick against these biblical truths again, or will you repent and embrace the same?

 

[seekingthemindofChrist]

Jerusalem is more than 50 km from the Mediterranean Sea.

Revelation 18:17-19
For in one hour such great wealth has been laid waste!’ And every shipmaster and every passenger and sailor, and all who make their living by the sea, stood at a distance, and were crying out as they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What city is like the great city?’ And they threw dust on their heads and were crying out, weeping and mourning, saying, ‘Woe, woe, the great city, in which all who had ships at sea became rich from her prosperity, for in one hour she has been laid waste!’

Jerusalem is a small city.

Jerusalem is unknown as a trading city and especially by sea.

Rome was the center of the Roman Empire and had enormous trade by sea.

Rome has enormous trade by sea down to this day.

It is impossible for seafaring folk to witness the burning of Rome.

No one becomes rich by trading with Jerusalem because Jerusalem does not produce anything.

How about reading the text!

Oh, the irony!

You are telling me to read the text?

Did you bother reading it yourself?

They "stood at a distance."

Do you honestly believe that smoke from a burning city cannot be seen from 50 km away?

Do a little research on when just a small part of NYC was burning on 9/11, and see how far away the smoke of its burning could be seen from.

Your ignorance is astounding.

 

[CS1]

There's a thread right now called "What is the point of being a prophet?" where the original poster starts with that question and then several posts later give his prophecy about the beast which he thinks is Russia, the antichrist which he thinks is Putin and the US he thinks is Babylon. There are too many Bible verses that contradict that prophecy and I posted that as such.

I'm truly surprised that no one is posting against that false prophecy except me though. This forum is well versed in the Rapture and its various positions of No-. Pre-, Mid-, and Post-Tribulation Rapture. So the silence on other areas of study on the end times is quite significant and I think strange.

I think this is a very important topic since the end times and the revealing of the beast is fast approaching with a lot of false prophecy is coming out of the woodwork lately to try to distract us from the real deal. I don't think we should be uninformed about this. So I'm asking everyone: Who do you think is the beast, the antichrist and Babylon? Please post the Bible verses that brought you to that belief.

Thanks!


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LOL, many have responded to that Flase claim, and you were not there first nor the LAST. IN ADDITION, that person was also banned.

The Anti-Christ, we are not to know who he is; why? Because we are supposed to be looking for the return of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus said to be aware of false prophets.
John also wrote in

1 John 2:18

Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming,
even now, many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.



This is the issue of the "Church folk."

They want to know who the Anti-Christ is while ignoring that Before the Anti-Christ enters.

The days of Noah are here! And the times of Sodom and Gomorrah are here! Wars and rumors of war are Here!

People want to know who the antichrist is? How about we live the life we profess before men. Do you know what is hard to know?

It is who is a genuine Christian. Those who say, " I'm a Christian," but stand for gay marriage, abortion, drunkenness, and unbiblical things. Have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. A bunch of half-baked cakes, lukewarm carnal-minded. Love the world more than God,

Created a focus on who is the anti-Christ but can't win souls or spend time in prayer. Won't Stand for Righteousness because its unpopular yet want us to believe they will when the world makes it illegal?


"O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?"


The Death, Burial, and Resurrection! Not who is the devil. We know all we need to know. Build the Kingdom of God, not seek whose behind Curtain number 666

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

First of all, neither you, nor I, nor anybody should ignore any of the descriptors that we are given of this "great city" in the book of Revelation, but that is precisely what you and several others here have foolishly chosen to do. Like it or not, this "great city" is guilty of the blood of prophets, and the Bible (Do you believe the Bible?) places that blame upon one city, and upon one city alone:

Jerusalem.

If that rubs you the wrong way, then too bad. It is the word of God, and neither you nor anybody else here will ever prevail against it.

Also, I have covered several other descriptors of this "great city" which equally point directly to Jerusalem, so, no, I am not fixated merely upon that one verse, but, unlike you, I will not ignore it.

Finally, I did already properly answer this question that you again posed.

Like I correctly said, a comparison (Do you know what a comparison is?) was being made there between "Babylon the great" and literal Bablyon.

Here is the text, again:

Jeremiah 51:60-64

"So Jeremiah wrote in a book all the evil that should come upon Babylon, even all these words that are written against Babylon. And Jeremiah said to Seraiah, When thou comest to Babylon, and shalt see, and shalt read all these words; Then shalt thou say, O LORD, thou hast spoken against this place, to cut it off, that none shall remain in it, neither man nor beast, but that it shall be desolate for ever. And it shall be, when thou hast made an end of reading this book, that thou shalt bind a stone to it, and cast it into the midst of Euphrates: And thou shalt say, Thus shall Babylon sink, and shall not rise from the evil that I will bring upon her: and they shall be weary. Thus far are the words of Jeremiah."

Compared to:

Revelation 18:20-21

"Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

Now, I am going to ask you a very simple question, and let's see if you can answer it honestly or not:

Has literal Babylon, which "that great city Babylon" is being compared to here, ceased to exist?

Of course, the correct answer to this question is "NO!"...and the same will apply to "that great city Babylon" which is here being compared to her.

Also, do not miss the part where God avenges the prophets on "that great city Babylon."

Again, whether you like it or not, God can only avenge the prophets upon those who have killed the prophets, and that is "the great city" of Jerusalem.

Now, will you kick against these biblical truths again, or will you repent and embrace the same?

I can't accept your false interpretation because it contradicts the other verses in the Bible.

This is a forum. Why are you trying to force your false interpretation on me? Is this a pride issue for you?


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[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

LOL, many have responded to that Flase claim, and you were not there first nor the LAST. IN ADDITION, that person was also banned.

The Anti-Christ, we are not to know who he is; why? Because we are supposed to be looking for the return of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus said to be aware of false prophets.
John also wrote in

1 John 2:18

Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming,
even now, many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.



This is the issue of the "Church folk."

They want to know who the Anti-Christ is while ignoring that Before the Anti-Christ enters.

The days of Noah are here! And the times of Sodom and Gomorrah are here! Wars and rumors of war are Here!

People want to know who the antichrist is? How about we live the life we profess before men. Do you know what is hard to know?

It is who is a genuine Christian. Those who say, " I'm a Christian," but stand for gay marriage, abortion, drunkenness, and unbiblical things. Have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. A bunch of half-baked cakes, lukewarm carnal-minded. Love the world more than God,

Created a focus on who is the anti-Christ but can't win souls or spend time in prayer. Won't Stand for Righteousness because its unpopular yet want us to believe they will when the world makes it illegal?


"O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?"


The Death, Burial, and Resurrection! Not who is the devil. We know all we need to know. Build the Kingdom of God, not seek whose behind Curtain number 666

If you choose to not know, why did you even bother to respond to this thread then? 🤷


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[seekingthemindofChrist]

I can't accept your false interpretation because it contradicts the other verses in the Bible.

None of which you or anybody else has or can rightfully show.

This is a forum. Why are you trying to force your false interpretation on me? Is this a pride issue for you?


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You started this thread, and it is a public forum. Far from trying to force anything upon anybody, I have merely posted biblical truth here, and then rightly answered any alleged objections to the same, and proud people like you, who deem yourselves to be wiser than Jesus Christ who told us exactly what city is guilty of the blood of the prophets, have continually rejected the same.

Welcome to reality.

 

[JTB]

I like Trump for his (apparent) honesty, and hope it is not as you say. But my concern is that it is.

Mammon worship, self-idolatry, immorality, abandoning the poor sick and foreign, and embracing lies and hypocrisy are not Christian values. These are all front and center in trumps actions.

The fruit of the Holy Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. I don't see these in trump or his magas.

Of course, you don't see much of these in the left either. But the left is not trying to pass itself off as a mouthpiece for God.

The fatal blow to me seems to be physical also.

It has always been interpreted as physical. But does it have to be? Many others have had their political lives killed for just a small fraction of trumps transgressions. (After the Boebert play scandal we owe a huge apology to Al Fraken)

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

None of which you or anybody else has or can rightfully show.

You started this thread, and it is a public forum. Far from trying to force anything upon anybody, I have merely posted biblical truth here, and then rightly answered any alleged objections to the same, and proud people like you, who deem yourselves to be wiser than Jesus Christ who told us exactly what city is guilty of the blood of the prophets, have continually rejected the same.

Welcome to reality.

Except what you posted isn't.

You're one of those Jew haters who are actively trying to get everybody else to hate Jews. That's why you posted that Babylon is Jerusalem even though the Bible contradicts this.

Don't let Satan fill you with hate for the Jews. You and your ilk will just hurt yourselves.


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[seekingthemindofChrist]

Except what you posted isn't.

You're one of those Jew haters who are actively trying to get everybody else to hate Jews. That's why you posted that Babylon is Jerusalem even though the Bible contradicts this.

Don't let Satan fill you with hate for the Jews. You and your ilk will just hurt yourselves.


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Nice!

Now you are adding slander to your repertoire.

I do not hate Jews at all.

In fact, I worship Jesus Christ, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, who is the consummate Jew.

Well, I have to go back to doing my Father's work now, and you can continue doing your "father's" work, too.

 

[seekingthemindofChrist]

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

You don't think Trump will "rise to power" in 2024?

Probably not. I think we're stuck with whichever puppet they want to install. They don't want Trump to have a lot of support though because it's hard work to have to fix the votes all across the states.


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