Israel Declares War

[Smoke]

Hello! I was in that part of the world several times, many years ago. There is a border and a border crossing between Gaza and Egypt. There is also an advantage that this part of Egypt is extremely sparsely inhabited, there could easily be living room there to accommodate people. However despite the common religion of Islam and the common ethnicity I believe the Egyptians might be extremely reluctant to accommodate their brother Palestinians. God Bless You

I appreciate your friendly response. When I put myself in Palestinian's position and the terrorists Hamas immediately murdered people at the festival, I wouldn't think to take my family and walk miles in the streets/sand to the border with Egypt. If before bombing and airstriking Gaza, the Isrealis warned me that they were going to retaliate and bomb the entire strip and to go south... I would then go south.

Unfortunately, that didn't happen until Oct 13th, AFTER they had turned Gaza isn't rubble and obliterated Palestinian children.

So when we consider that the Palestinian civilians weren't actually made aware prior to the bombings/airstrikes on Oct 7th, I wouldn't want to risk my family's life and walk the streets in case Israel did decide to bomb home (which they did do hours after the attack). I would be more worried of debris and shrapnel when they actually start bombing to even think about going outside during the actual attacks. The best bet is to stay inside your home and hope you aren't obliterated.

 

[ZNP]

I hope it's true. I wonder why it took so long?

I think the same can be said of us, how many will look at what happened today in the US capital and realize we have a problem?

 

[Smoke]

Geneva conventions define war crimes

1. Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, namely, any of the following acts against persons or property protected under the provisions of the relevant Geneva Convention:
   1. Wilful killing
   2. Torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments;
   3. Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health;
   4. Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly;
   5. Compelling a prisoner of war or other protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile Power;
   6. Wilfully depriving a prisoner of war or other protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial;
   7. Unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement;
   8. Taking of hostages.
2. Other serious violations of the laws and customs applicable in international armed conflict, within the established framework of international law, namely, any of the following acts:
   1. Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities;
   2. Intentionally directing attacks against civilian objects, that is, objects which are not military objectives;
   3. Intentionally directing attacks against personnel, installations, material, units or vehicles involved in a humanitarian assistance or peacekeeping mission in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, as long as they are entitled to the protection given to civilians or civilian objects under the international law of armed conflict;
   4. Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated;
   5. Attacking or bombarding, by whatever means, towns, villages, dwellings or buildings which are undefended and which are not military objectives;
   6. Killing or wounding a combatant who, having laid down his arms or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion;
   7. Making improper use of a flag of truce, of the flag or of the military insignia and uniform of the enemy or of the United Nations, as well as of the distinctive emblems of the Geneva Conventions, resulting in death or serious personal injury;
   8. The transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory;
   9. Intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected, provided they are not military objectives;

1. Other serious violations of the laws and customs applicable in armed conflicts not of an international character, within the established framework of international law, namely, any of the following acts:
   1. Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities;
   2. Intentionally directing attacks against buildings, material, medical units and transport, and personnel using the distinctive emblems of the Geneva Conventions in conformity with international law.

Did you bold the ones you think Israel is guilty of?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I posted the Geneva conventions concerning war crimes, there is no distinction over who started the war.

It does not matter

If he did nto drop the bomb, the war could have went on for a few more years. And millions would have died.

No one could know what the bomb would have done,, it was never used before.

 

[NightTwister]

Definitions are given with "especially" in them though... are they not? That typically means it doesn't have to be, but especially if it is. Is it just my definitions you take object to using "especially" or do you not like when anyone uses it?

Also, how is "nuclear" a conclusion though?

My understand of "nuclear bombs" is that they use a nuclear reaction to create the explosion. Nuclear reaction yields much more powerful blasts than other types of conventional bombs.

So if I attach "especially nuclear", it simply means "even more so" if the bomb is nuclear. Hopefully we would agree to this seeing as it's a given that nuclear reactions are indeed vastly more indiscriminate in their explosiveness in comparison to conventional and discriminate bombs.

Because the question remains whether nuclear bombs are "indiscriminate" by design or are not based on other factors.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

True, but now I hear there is a civil war in Gaza as the Palestinian army is fighting Hamas

That would be great.
Hopefully Israelnwill support them

 

[Smoke]

WHY ARE THEY TRAPPED THERE?

Can they go to Egypt. Can they go to Jordan? Or Lebanon, or any other Arab country?

if not why not?

1.) Why are they trapped there? Egypt has blocked the tunnels from Gaza with sewage, water, etc... They don't want them. The only other border is Israel and they must get permission from Israel to cross their border. If they go out by sea, Israel has a blockage that will want to know what they are up to...

2.) Read #1.

3.) Read #1.

 

[Cameron143]

I think the same can be said of us, how many will look at what happened today in the US capital and realize we have a problem?

You make a good point, but we don't live in squalor yet. This next election cycle and following will be very interesting.

 

[Smoke]

Because the question remains whether nuclear bombs are "indiscriminate" by design or are not based on other factors.

Are you aware of any "discriminate" nuclear bombs?

Also, the definition doesn't require them to be nuclear. It merely says "especially". But for the purpose of continuing to try to reach middle ground, lets amend my definition so we can further discuss.

Discriminate bombing - Using precision bombing in areas of high military infrastructure and/or militant targets. Consideration for civilian life is given but may still yield some unintended casualties.

Precision bombing - Using bombs which are tailored for isolated areas of destruction as to avoid and limit unintended targets.

Indiscriminate bombing - Using bombs which blanket more than the area required for the destruction of military infrastructure and/or militant targets. Civilian loss of life is not a deciding factor and has a higher likelihood to yield civilian casualties.

What do you think of this?

 

[NightTwister]

Are you aware of any "discriminate" nuclear bombs?

Yes, there are tactical nuclear weapons that would be discriminate.

What do you think of this?

As much as I would also like to find common ground, unfortunately I don't see that happening here.

 

[ZNP]

From 2013

 

[ZNP]

Did you bold the ones you think Israel is guilty of?

No, I bolded ones that nuking Hiroshima might have violated

 

[ZNP]

You make a good point, but we don't live in squalor yet. This next election cycle and following will be very interesting.

Wow, an optimist

 

[Smoke]

As much as I would also like to find common ground, unfortunately I don't see that happening here.

Perhaps, but since you respond to my posts and sometimes put a red X on them, I assume you're at least reading what I say and would be willing to engage in a fruitful discussion?

 

[Smoke]

No, I bolded ones that nuking Hiroshima might have violated

Could you send me a list of any you think Israel is guilty of? You can ask why I care what you think. I like to read your posts as I feel you have a lot of value to add to most topics. We may not agree on everything, but at the very least, you aren't my echo chamber. I'm comfortable with that though.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

1.) Why are they trapped there? Egypt has blocked the tunnels from Gaza with sewage, water, etc... They don't want them. The only other border is Israel and they must get permission from Israel to cross their border. If they go out by sea, Israel has a blockage that will want to know what they are up to...

2.) Read #1.

3.) Read #1.

so why does NO ONE want them to cross the border?

 

[Underwhosewings]

Genesis 13:14-18 KJV
And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:

[15] For all the land which thou seest,

to thee will I give it,
and to thy seed for ever.

[16] And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.
[17] Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it;

for I will give it unto thee.

[18] Then Abram removed his tent, and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar unto the LORD.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Could you send me a list of any you think Israel is guilty of? You can ask why I care what you think. I like to read your posts as I feel you have a lot of value to add to most topics. We may not agree on everything, but at the very least, you aren't my echo chamber. I'm comfortable with that though.

You act as if israel just attacked Gaza with no provocation

 

[Cameron143]

Wow, an optimist

My optimism lies in my relationship with Christ...hope of earth and joy of heaven.

 

[NightTwister]

Perhaps, but since you respond to my posts and sometimes put a red X on them, I assume you're at least reading what I say and would be willing to engage in a fruitful discussion?

I didn't start with the red X. Not a real fan of them, but if others use them, I will respond in kind. Also, I edited my post after you responded which I didn't want that to happen. Please see my other comment about tactical nukes.