Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

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NTNT58 said:
Pharisees weren't in the spiritual seat either, the priests were. The Bible also tells us to obey ALL authority, spiritual and physical.
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I agree with the premise. I disagree with who the spiritual authority is.
 
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Cameron143 said:
I agree with the premise. I disagree with who the spiritual authority is.
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I agree that Papists are not spiritual authority, but Mathew 16:19 and Isiah 22 may prove that they are physical authority.
 
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NTNT58 said:
Just like King Jesus gave Peter the keys to heaven, in Isiah 22 a king gives his Stewart keys to the kingdom and his descendants or successors would inherit the keys. In both cases, the king still holds the ultimate authority, but the stewart is the carrier of that authority.
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Right. But the old covenant was a line of physical descendency. The new covenant is a line of spiritual descendency.
 
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NTNT58 said:
That's debatable. There is one other user on here who claims it was Hebrew.
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it's not debatable that all the earliest sources we have of the NT are Greek manuscripts.
the vulgate and peshitta are translations, from Greek sources.

there is substantive evidence that Matthew's gospel may have been written originally in Hebrew, but that evidence is anecdotal, however early the anecdotes may be. there is no extant Hebrew manuscripts of Matthew.

so the fact remains that what God choose to do was to preserve the NT in Greek.
 
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NTNT58 said:
No, definitely NOT, which is why the Bible tells us to obey ALL authority.
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think about this. they are only the guides that we follow human rules accordingly.
but the "Moment" they direct us to go against what we know God tells us not to do, we are to disobey and ONLY follow God.
therefore, i am only under ONE Authority!
 
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Cameron143 said:
Right. But the old covenant was a line of physical descendency. The new covenant is a line of spiritual descendency.
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Yes, that's why Papists don't choose popes based on familial descendency like the priests did in the old covenant.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
think about this. they are only the guides that we follow human rules accordingly.
but the "Moment" they direct us to go against what we know God tells us not to do, we are to disobey and ONLY follow God.
therefore, i am only under ONE Authority!
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Exactly. All authority is from God, but all authority has to be obeyed nonetheless.
 
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Clearly, GOD, wanted the JEWS to have a Gospel in Their Own Language, and why that Gospel CAME before any other Gospel to date.
 
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NTNT58 said:
I don't hold to any of their positions, but unless you can disprove that Jesus gave Peter the keys that nobody else was given, or that his authority wasn't passed to his successors, the RCC still holds the same authority today as the Pharisees did in the past. Jesus still told everyone to obey the Pharisees and do everything they said (in the context of religious authority).
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How do you prove that Peter's authority was passed on?
 
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Clearly, GOD, wanted the JEWS to have a Gospel in Their Own Language, and why that Gospel CAME before any other Gospel to date.
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The physical Jews had their chance and they blew it. They rejected and crucified their messiah, so now God gave the kingdom to the spiritual Jews (aka Christians). No longer being circumcised or of Jewish descendence makes any difference in people's salvation. Jesus condemned the Jewish Pharisees to hell.
 
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NTNT58 said:
The physical Jews had their chance and they blew it. They rejected and crucified their messiah, so now God gave the kingdom to the spiritual Jews (aka Christians). No longer being circumcised or of Jewish descendence makes any difference in people's salvation. Jesus condemned the Jewish Pharisees to hell.
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physical jews are coming to Christ all of the time.
always have been.
just not the majority, yet.

but, it doesn't matter how you want to dissect the Jew, God LOVES Them, came to Them Personally, and left a Gospel specific to Them.
 
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