Israel Declares War

[Moses_Young]

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And so all those mocking this explanation as some sort of conspiracy theory because the Israeli government "could do no wrong" or "wouldn't sacrifice the lives of its own people" shouldn't get a further say. This shows they are still too childish and naive to understand how evil some people really are - even Israeli politicians (which shouldn't shock anyone except the ultra-deceived).

 

[HeIsHere]

Oh and another thing that you (cough cough) "may" have failed to consider regarding futurism:

Denying futurism also denies the inevitable future glorious and gracious redemption of Israel. By their God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Denying Israels redemption is something that I, nor any Christian, should ever apologize for or accept.

Israelis/Jews have redemption waiting for them every single moment of every single day.

 

[HeIsHere]

Speaking of impactful, nothing could possibility be less impactful than your pitiful and woefully erronious attemps at Biblical exegesis. Baby pablum gone sour.

Audience relevance/context the first rule of proper hermeneutics.

I follow that do you?

 

[HeIsHere]

I'm HIPPOing from here...not sure if someone already mentioned this but... when the Hebrews were about to enter the Promised Land, in Deuteronomy 6:10-12, they TOTALLY took over the land AND the homes. It looks like God doesn't have a problem with Israel taking over the homes:

"So it shall be, when the Lord your God brings you into the land of which He swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give you large and beautiful cities which you did not build, houses full of all good things, which you did not fill, hewn-out wells which you did not dig, vineyards and olive trees which you did not plant—when you have eaten and are full— then beware, lest you forget the Lord who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage."

God had a purpose for them then, that purpose has been fulfilled.
This thinking is the reason there has been so much blood shed.

 

[Moses_Young]

God had a purpose for them then, that purpose has been fulfilled.
This thinking is the reason there has been so much blood shed.

And God gave the homes to the Israelites. There's a big difference between God and that corrupt Netanyahu guy who's the boss of the Rothschild-created state of "Israel", which conveniently has the same name as the title God gave Jacob. That people have to be told this sort of thing makes me incredulous.

Didn't they read in Revelation of those "who call themselves Jews, but are not"?

 

[HeIsHere]

And so all those mocking this explanation as some sort of conspiracy theory because the Israeli government "could do no wrong" or "wouldn't sacrifice the lives of its own people" shouldn't get a further say. This shows they are still too childish and naive to understand how evil some people really are - even Israeli politicians (which shouldn't shock anyone except the ultra-deceived).

Exactly!!

 

[Moses_Young]

Audience relevance/context the first rule of proper hermeneutics.

I follow that do you?

Lol. I dunno if he'll understand what you said.

 

[HeIsHere]

And God gave the homes to the Israelites. There's a big difference between God and that corrupt Netanyahu guy who's the boss of the Rothschild-created state of "Israel", which conveniently has the same name as the title God gave Jacob. That people have to be told this sort of thing makes me incredulous.

Didn't they read in Revelation of those "who call themselves Jews, but are not"?

Imagine how evil to plot two world wars to have the state of Israel come to fruition.
It defies belief.

 

[ZNP]

These 8 rules all fall under Peter's rule that no verse is of its own interpretation. We look at every use of the word to get a sense of its meaning, particularly every use by one author. Yes we look at the context but we also look at how this interpretation fits in with the rest of the Bible. You cannot come up with an interpretation that contradicts other verses. For example in Amos God says He does nothing without telling His prophets. In the gospels Jesus says "no one knows the day or the hour". These two must not contradict each other, hence, 2,000 years ago no one knew the day or the hour, but that does not prevent the Lord from telling His prophets hours beforehand, or days beforehand, etc. Another example is with historical context, many will try and say this verse or that verse only applied to those the Lord was speaking to. However Jesus said "man lives by every word" and Paul said "all scripture is profitable for instruction, reproof, correction..." It is very clear that the word of God is living and a light to our path today. For example, in Ecclesiastes it says there is no new thing under the sun but the thing you see today, it has already been. From that we see that a word in the scripture can be very specific for a particular event in the past and can also be applied and instructive to events in the future. Yes, we should use logic, but not to limit the word of God by our poor reach of mind. We are told clearly in scripture that the things that God does have never come up in our mind and nor have we ever imagined them.

THE 8 RULES OF BIBLE INTERPRETATION
Here are the eight rules:

1. The rule of DEFINITION: What does the word mean? Any study of Scripture must begin with a study of words. Define your terms and then keep to the terms defined. The interpreter should conscientiously abide by the plain meaning of the words. This quite often may require using a Hebrew/English or Greek/English lexicon in order to make sure that the sense of the English translation is understood. A couple of good examples of this are the Greek words “allos” and “heteros”. Both are usually translated as “another” in English – yet “allos” literally means “another of the same type” and “heteros” means “another of a different type.”
   
2. The rule of USAGE: It must be remembered that the Old Testament was written originally by, to and for Jews. The words and idioms must have been intelligible to them – just as the words of Christ when talking to them must have been. The majority of the New Testament likewise was written in a milieu of Greco-Roman (and to a lesser extent Jewish) culture and it is important to not impose our modern usage into our interpretation. It is not worth much to interpret a great many phrases and histories if one’s interpretations are shaded by pre-conceived notions and cultural biases, thereby rendering an inaccurate and ineffectual lesson.
   
3. The rule of CONTEXT: The meaning must be gathered from the context. Every word you read must be understood in the light of the words that come before and after it. Many passages will not be understood at all, or understood incorrectly, without the help afforded by the context. A good example of this is the Mormon practice of using 1 Cor. 8:5b: “…for there be gods many and lords many…” as a “proof text” of their doctrine of polytheism. However, a simple reading of the whole verse in the context of the whole chapter (e.g. where Paul calls these gods “so-called”), plainly demonstrates that Paul is not teaching polytheism.
   
4. The rule of HISTORICAL BACKGROUND: The interpreter must have some awareness of the life and society of the times in which the Scripture was written. The spiritual principle will be timeless but often can’t be properly appreciated without some knowledge of the background. If the interpreter can have in his mind what the writer had in his mind when he wrote – without adding any excess baggage from the interpreter’s own culture or society – then the true thought of the Scripture can be captured resulting in an accurate interpretation.Oliver Wendell Holmes said, “Our only interest in the past is for the light it throws upon the present.”
   
5. The rule of LOGIC: Interpretation is merely logical reasoning. When interpreting Scripture, the use of reason is everywhere to be assumed. Does the interpretation make sense? The Bible was given to us in the form of human language and therefore appeals to human reason – it invites investigation. It is to be interpreted as we would any other volume: applying the laws of language and grammatical analysis.
   As Bernard Ramm said:
   “What is the control we use to weed out false theological speculation? Certainly the control is logic and evidence… interpreters who have not had the sharpening experience of logic…may have improper notions of implication and evidence. Too frequently such a person uses a basis of appeal that is a notorious violation of the laws of logic and evidence.” (Protestant Biblical Interpretation, Boston: W. A. Wilde, 1956)
   
6. The rule of PRECEDENT: We must not violate the known usage of a word and invent another for which there is no precedent. Just as a judge’s chief occupation is the study of previous cases, so must the interpreter use precedents in order to determine whether they really support an alleged doctrine. Consider the Bereans in Acts 17:10-12 who were called “noble” because they searched the Scriptures to determine if what Paul taught them was true.
   
7. The rule of UNITY: The parts of Scripture being interpreted must be construed with reference to the significance of the whole. An interpretation must be consistent with the rest of Scripture. An excellent example of this is the doctrine of the Trinity. No single passage teaches it, but it is consistent with the teaching of the whole of Scripture (e.g. the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are referred to individually as God; yet the Scriptures elsewhere teach there is only one God).

1. The rule of INFERENCE: An inference is a fact reasonably implied from another fact. It is a logical consequence. It derives a conclusion from a given fact or premise. It is the deduction of one proposition from another proposition. Such inferential facts or propositions are sufficiently binding when their truth is established by competent and satisfactory evidence. Competent evidence means such evidence as the nature of the thing to be proved admits. Satisfactory evidence means that amount of proof which would ordinarily satisfy an unprejudiced mind beyond a reasonable doubt. Jesus used this rule when he proved the resurrection of the dead to the unbelieving Sadducees in Matt. 22:23-33.

 

[HeIsHere]

And God gave the homes to the Israelites. There's a big difference between God and that corrupt Netanyahu guy who's the boss of the Rothschild-created state of "Israel", which conveniently has the same name as the title God gave Jacob. That people have to be told this sort of thing makes me incredulous.

Didn't they read in Revelation of those "who call themselves Jews, but are not"?

The mainstream media has lost the propaganda machine because of the brave truth tellers on the Internet.

People like Trudeau are desperate to shut down free speech but it is too late, the truth is getting out.

 

[HeIsHere]

These 8 rules all fall under Peter's rule that no verse is of its own interpretation. We look at every use of the word to get a sense of its meaning, particularly every use by one author. Yes we look at the context but we also look at how this interpretation fits in with the rest of the Bible. You cannot come up with an interpretation that contradicts other verses. For example in Amos God says He does nothing without telling His prophets. In the gospels Jesus says "no one knows the day or the hour". These two must not contradict each other, hence, 2,000 years ago no one knew the day or the hour, but that does not prevent the Lord from telling His prophets hours beforehand, or days beforehand, etc. Another example is with historical context, many will try and say this verse or that verse only applied to those the Lord was speaking to. However Jesus said "man lives by every word" and Paul said "all scripture is profitable for instruction, reproof, correction..." It is very clear that the word of God is living and a light to our path today. For example, in Ecclesiastes it says there is no new thing under the sun but the thing you see today, it has already been. From that we see that a word in the scripture can be very specific for a particular event in the past and can also be applied and instructive to events in the future. Yes, we should use logic, but not to limit the word of God by our poor reach of mind. We are told clearly in scripture that the things that God does have never come up in our mind and nor have we ever imagined them.

THE 8 RULES OF BIBLE INTERPRETATION
Here are the eight rules:

1. The rule of DEFINITION: What does the word mean? Any study of Scripture must begin with a study of words. Define your terms and then keep to the terms defined. The interpreter should conscientiously abide by the plain meaning of the words. This quite often may require using a Hebrew/English or Greek/English lexicon in order to make sure that the sense of the English translation is understood. A couple of good examples of this are the Greek words “allos” and “heteros”. Both are usually translated as “another” in English – yet “allos” literally means “another of the same type” and “heteros” means “another of a different type.”
2. The rule of USAGE: It must be remembered that the Old Testament was written originally by, to and for Jews. The words and idioms must have been intelligible to them – just as the words of Christ when talking to them must have been. The majority of the New Testament likewise was written in a milieu of Greco-Roman (and to a lesser extent Jewish) culture and it is important to not impose our modern usage into our interpretation. It is not worth much to interpret a great many phrases and histories if one’s interpretations are shaded by pre-conceived notions and cultural biases, thereby rendering an inaccurate and ineffectual lesson.
3. The rule of CONTEXT: The meaning must be gathered from the context. Every word you read must be understood in the light of the words that come before and after it. Many passages will not be understood at all, or understood incorrectly, without the help afforded by the context. A good example of this is the Mormon practice of using 1 Cor. 8:5b: “…for there be gods many and lords many…” as a “proof text” of their doctrine of polytheism. However, a simple reading of the whole verse in the context of the whole chapter (e.g. where Paul calls these gods “so-called”), plainly demonstrates that Paul is not teaching polytheism.
4. The rule of HISTORICAL BACKGROUND: The interpreter must have some awareness of the life and society of the times in which the Scripture was written. The spiritual principle will be timeless but often can’t be properly appreciated without some knowledge of the background. If the interpreter can have in his mind what the writer had in his mind when he wrote – without adding any excess baggage from the interpreter’s own culture or society – then the true thought of the Scripture can be captured resulting in an accurate interpretation.Oliver Wendell Holmes said, “Our only interest in the past is for the light it throws upon the present.”
5. The rule of LOGIC: Interpretation is merely logical reasoning. When interpreting Scripture, the use of reason is everywhere to be assumed. Does the interpretation make sense? The Bible was given to us in the form of human language and therefore appeals to human reason – it invites investigation. It is to be interpreted as we would any other volume: applying the laws of language and grammatical analysis.
   As Bernard Ramm said:
   “What is the control we use to weed out false theological speculation? Certainly the control is logic and evidence… interpreters who have not had the sharpening experience of logic…may have improper notions of implication and evidence. Too frequently such a person uses a basis of appeal that is a notorious violation of the laws of logic and evidence.” (Protestant Biblical Interpretation, Boston: W. A. Wilde, 1956)
6. The rule of PRECEDENT: We must not violate the known usage of a word and invent another for which there is no precedent. Just as a judge’s chief occupation is the study of previous cases, so must the interpreter use precedents in order to determine whether they really support an alleged doctrine. Consider the Bereans in Acts 17:10-12 who were called “noble” because they searched the Scriptures to determine if what Paul taught them was true.
7. The rule of UNITY: The parts of Scripture being interpreted must be construed with reference to the significance of the whole. An interpretation must be consistent with the rest of Scripture. An excellent example of this is the doctrine of the Trinity. No single passage teaches it, but it is consistent with the teaching of the whole of Scripture (e.g. the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are referred to individually as God; yet the Scriptures elsewhere teach there is only one God).

1. The rule of INFERENCE: An inference is a fact reasonably implied from another fact. It is a logical consequence. It derives a conclusion from a given fact or premise. It is the deduction of one proposition from another proposition. Such inferential facts or propositions are sufficiently binding when their truth is established by competent and satisfactory evidence. Competent evidence means such evidence as the nature of the thing to be proved admits. Satisfactory evidence means that amount of proof which would ordinarily satisfy an unprejudiced mind beyond a reasonable doubt. Jesus used this rule when he proved the resurrection of the dead to the unbelieving Sadducees in Matt. 22:23-33.

This is helpful.

Hermeneutics applies to reading any text.

I would say the context should include audience relevance I still think that is key.

Jesus was speaking to His followers and the Jews of the time.

It must be understood in that light.

 

[ZNP]

This is helpful.

Hermeneutics applies to reading any text.

I would say the context should include audience relevance I still think that is key.

Jesus was speaking to His followers and the Jews of the time.

It must be understood in that light.

That is fine as long as it is also understood that Jesus was speaking to us, His followers, in this time as well.

 

[HeIsHere]

Lol. I dunno if he'll understand what you said.

One thing I have learned and I am almost shocked by, no matter how intelligent (even the enlightened like Christians) one can still be propagandized.

 

[HeIsHere]

That is fine as long as it is also understood that Jesus was speaking to us, His followers, in this time as well.

He was indeed, agree, and it makes sense to us when we understand what He was saying to them.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Sigh... I am questioning my belief that the Abrahamic covenants haven't all been fulfilled. Thanks for giving me more homework. I think there is a case that it has been fulfilled. Does anyone have some scripture for me to shorten my homework?

Ugh! I hated homework in school. Especially when it came to English history, trying to recall who reigned when. lol If you check the maps with the Biblical version of what God promised in the covenant and what land the Jews have possessed, you will see that Israel has never fully had all the land. I shared a map with that too. So I did part of the work for ya. YAY!! If you have any more questions let me know!

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

One thing I have learned and I am almost shocked by, no matter how intelligent (even the enlightened like Christians) one can still be propagandized.

Ya I believe I was the first person to make that point.

 

[HeIsHere]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714148007849976165

Chuck Baldwin

 

[HeIsHere]

Interesting take...

 

[ZNP]

Luke 21:1 And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.

2 And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.

3 And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:

4 For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

The most important verses in this chapter.

5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,

6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

This refers to the apostles, and therefore the previous verses refer to things that will happen after the apostles are delivered up.

13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

This applies to the apostles, but also to all who are in the same situation.

16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

Therefore these verses also apply to all who are persecuted in the church age.

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

So then this verse applies to both. In 70AD this took place with the apostles and at the end of the age this will take place again during the Great tribulation.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Vengeance for what? For rejecting Jesus. Yes, that applies to 70AD, but it also applies to the end of the age.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Cannot get any clearer than that. The church age is called by Daniel "the times of the Gentiles". Times is plural, hence 2, not 1. In this case 2 thousand years. Jersulem was trodden down of the Gentiles until 1967 when Israel regained control, and yet it was 50 years later when the US recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. One thing is very clear, the times of the Gentiles (nations) is coming to an end.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

This is future tense and takes place when the times of the Gentiles ends.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Once again, future tense, not talking directly to the apostles but to some "they" in the future. He does not say "and then you shall see".

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

These things began to take place in 1948 when the UN voted for Israel to return, and in 1950 when they had their first Knesset, and in 1967 when they got control of Jerusalem, and in 2017 when Trump recognized Jerusalem, and when the Abraham accords were made, and when they pushed the whole Climate change agenda, perplexity of the sea, and when we saw the Psalm 83 confederacy against Israel, etc.

29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;

30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

"All the Trees"? Israel was not the only nation that was formed by the UN, they drew up borders and formed many Middle Eastern nations, all with national trees, at this time.

31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

There are multiple theories as to what "This generation" refers to and I feel several of them have legitimacy. First, we can look at the generation that rejected Jesus, that has not passed away among the Jews, they still reject Jesus. Second, we can tie the fig tree to the fall of man in Genesis and say this refers to the sinful generation and that also has not passed away. We can also refer to Psalm 90:10 and say that a generation is 70 - 80 years. If we look at 1950 as the beginning of the nation of Israel that would be 2020-2030. (There are two ways to time Israel, one is when the Jews began to return to the land, that is the starting point for the jubilee. They returned in 1923 when the Palestinian mandate went into effect, so 1973 and 2023 would be Jubilee years. In both we have wars over Yom Kippur. The second way is when they "shoot forth the tender leaves" -- works, of a nation, hence the Knesset forms).

33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Once again this word is not to the apostles only but to all of us in every generation.

34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

37 And in the day time he was teaching in the temple; and at night he went out, and abode in the mount that is called the mount of Olives.

38 And all the people came early in the morning to him in the temple, for to hear him.

 

[ZNP]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714148007849976165

Chuck Baldwin

No verse is of its own interpretation, this is why no one listens to people who try to make an entire doctrine out of a single verse while disregarding hundreds of other verses.