Israel Declares War

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HeIsHere

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You had better crack open that Bible of yours and read 1 Chon 1:8-12.
Hagar was an Egyptian. Egypt is Mizraim.....Sons of Ham. The Sons of Hamite Cush are both Arabs and Philistines. See also Habakkuk 3:7.......Cush = Midian = Arabs.

Ignorance is so thick around here about this matter you could cut it with a knife.
The end times not coming fast enough for you ....lol

Semite is a term connected to linguistics, it has to do with morphology of the language. They share a cognate language, did you not study any linguistics when you were getting that engineering degree?
 

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Your position has already been resoundingly refuted many many times. With the explicit use of that particular verse BTW.

Profound latter-day ignorance and biblical illiteracy. Is a plague on the Church of today.
Giggle emojis are the standard reply when ignorance abounds in great revenue.
 

cv5

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Semite is a term connected to linguistics, it has to do with morphology of the language.
Are you out of your mind? Have you ever read Genesis 10? I mean ever?
Or do you believe that Shem, Ham and Japheth are merely figments of Biblical imagination, Moses was a delusional idiot and the flood never happened?
 

cv5

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High level Hamas leadership getting plinked off one after another. It's a turkey shoot.
Which is why Hamas is opening channels of communication and seeking to negotiate.
Command and control is getting wiped out they know it.

It had to happen sooner or later. Might as well get it over with.
 

HeIsHere

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Are you out of your mind? Have you ever read Genesis 10? I mean ever?
Or do you believe that Shem, Ham and Japheth are merely figments of Biblical imagination, Moses was a delusional idiot and the flood never happened?
Lol wow, I am not talking about scripture, I am speaking about the classification of language groups.

Historically Arabs and Jews were both considered Semites, although most people now associate Semite with being Jewish only.

You need to relax, breath in, breathe out, repeat...

I have that app on my watch .. a very good investment.

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iamsoandso

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Frankly I don't understand Irans belligerence. They have neither the ways nor means to even so much as assemble military assets in the eastern Mediterranean. And any land-based columns on the move would be wiped out instantaneously.

I agree,,no blue water navy,,no way to move that many soldiers without it sticking out like a sore thumb ect.ect. I've wondered day after day when the ground offensive would begin and the only reason I can see it hasn't is that they are reducing the the positions Hamas fortified anticipating what would happen after Oct. 7th and the physiology that Hamas is undergoing(no sleep,bath ect. for over a week)... Other than that with that many reserve units called up and the amount of preparation being made in removing non citizens from Israel it looks as if they intend on reducing any threat and just get it all over with at once.
 

cv5

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Lol wow, I am not talking about scripture,
Well at least you got that one right. More accurately stated, you are never talking about Scripture, in terms of doing so faithfully, conscientiously, or knowledgeably.

Epic cringeworthy ignorance and illiteracy is your calling card.
 

iamsoandso

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High level Hamas leadership getting plinked off one after another. It's a turkey shoot.
Which is why Hamas is opening channels of communication and seeking to negotiate.
Command and control is getting wiped out they know it.

It had to happen sooner or later. Might as well get it over with.

Speaking of "opening channels" I was watching the news from out of Israel a few days ago and they said Israel has over a hundred D9 doobies,(teddy bear) sitting outside Gaza that they said they were going to use to clear away the debris and then drop the draw bar down into their tunnels and open them up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDF_Caterpillar_D9

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDF_Caterpillar_D9#/media/File:Caterpillar_d9_(4).jpg
 

HeIsHere

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Well at least you got that one right. More accurately stated, you are never talking about Scripture, in terms of doing so faithfully, conscientiously, or knowledgeably.

Epic cringeworthy ignorance and illiteracy is your calling card.
Yeah well I actually follow the words of Jesus, so far you have done nothing to disprove exactly what Jesus stated.

"This generation will not pass away until all these things take place." (Matt. 24:34)
"Behold I come quickly"
“Now these things …were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.” (I Cor. 10:11)
“For yet in a very little while, He who is coming will come, and will not delay.” (Heb. 10:37)
"Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near." (Rev. 22:10; Compare Dan. 8:26)
When YOU see these things....

Keep working on your Ad Hominem soon you will be able to add in more alliteration ...... that should make it really impactful!! :D
 

cv5

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Speaking of "opening channels" I was watching the news from out of Israel a few days ago and they said Israel has over a hundred D9 doobies,(teddy bear) sitting outside Gaza that they said they were going to use to clear away the debris and then drop the draw bar down into their tunnels and open them up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDF_Caterpillar_D9

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDF_Caterpillar_D9#/media/File:Caterpillar_d9_(4).jpg
Drawbar pull of 71.6 metric tons. Seems pretty much impervious to almost everything that could be encountered.
 

iamsoandso

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Drawbar pull of 71.6 metric tons. Seems pretty much impervious to almost everything that could be encountered.
Yep a teddy bear is one of the few things that can withstand a direct IED,land mines ect. (main battle tanks follow them into battle)... They make short work of opening up tunnels,shelters,,fortified positions ect.
 

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that should make it really impactful!! :D
Speaking of impactful, nothing could possibility be less impactful than your pitiful and woefully erronious attemps at Biblical exegesis. Baby pablum gone sour.
 

cv5

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So true, I am so thankful I have been delivered from futurism....
Oh and another thing that you (cough cough) "may" have failed to consider regarding futurism:

Denying futurism also denies the inevitable future glorious and gracious redemption of Israel. By their God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Denying Israels redemption is something that I, nor any Christian, should ever apologize for or accept.
 

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This is true. The Ultra Orthodox Jews point this out as well, but the secular Zionist Jews ignored them and pushed for it 50 years before Israel was founded. The Torah teaches that their Messiah must come first before they come back from exile. All of this is confusing and doesn't make any sense to displace modern-day inhabitants and steal their homes. I'm saying homes and not land because the land has been promised by God, but not at the expensive of having to steal homes. For some reason, many (not all) Christians don't seem to care. Unfortunately, we have to be worried about being cancelled by stating facts which show Israel contradicts themselves.

I'm also certain that the Torah doesn't condone apartheid on Palestinians either.
I'm HIPPOing from here...not sure if someone already mentioned this but... when the Hebrews were about to enter the Promised Land, in Deuteronomy 6:10-12, they TOTALLY took over the land AND the homes. It looks like God doesn't have a problem with Israel taking over the homes:

"So it shall be, when the Lord your God brings you into the land of which He swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give you large and beautiful cities which you did not build, houses full of all good things, which you did not fill, hewn-out wells which you did not dig, vineyards and olive trees which you did not plant—when you have eaten and are full— then beware, lest you forget the Lord who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage."
 

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This is true. The Ultra Orthodox Jews point this out as well, but the secular Zionist Jews ignored them and pushed for it 50 years before Israel was founded. The Torah teaches that their Messiah must come first before they come back from exile. All of this is confusing and doesn't make any sense to displace modern-day inhabitants and steal their homes. I'm saying homes and not land because the land has been promised by God, but not at the expensive of having to steal homes. For some reason, many (not all) Christians don't seem to care. Unfortunately, we have to be worried about being cancelled by stating facts which show Israel contradicts themselves.

I'm also certain that the Torah doesn't condone apartheid on Palestinians either.
You need to study the history of Israel in much more depth. Let me say up front that Israelis engaged in unacceptable violence prior to starting the state of Israel. However, the Jews had been promised a state in 1917, following the defeat of the Ottoman empire. There has never been a Palestinian nation. "Palestine" is derived from the name "Philistia". It was given by Rome as an insult to the rebellious Jews. Israel effectively ceased to exist in about AD 130.

Jews have suffered persecution in most countries. Russia and Poland as well as Germany hated Jews. Germany obviously went much further in an attempt to exterminate every Jew. Many Jews reacted to persecution by migrating, many to the USA where they were more welcome. Hence some of the most talented people came to find refuge, including Einstein. Others could not or would not emigrate. Dutch Jews were relatively properous and not as persecuted.

Some Jews, including Zionists, settled in Palestine. At the time, it was ruled by the British, still not an independent country. Jews bought land from Arabs who were willing to sell. When more and more Jews came, the Arabs became uneasy and some violence broke out. The British were worried and attempted to limit the numbers of Jews (hence the Paul Newman film, "Exodus").

The British had hardly begun to recover from WW2. There was little appetite for another fight. Jews formed an armed rebellion, the "Irgun". Britain responded by training Palestinians to fight. Britain did not want to offend the Arab nations because they had a lot invested in the oil industry. Not much has changed in that respect. So Britain pulled out. Israel was given the right to form an independent state by the United Nations. The US recognised Israel immediately. Arab nations responded by invading Israel on the same day as independence was declared.

The invaders told Arabs living in Israel to leave. The intent was to wipe Israel off the map before she had even started. Most Arabs, now calling themselves Palestinians left. 20% of Israel's population is Arab and they have equal rights. There is no apartheid.

Israel has been at war since 14th May 1948. Only Egypt recognised Israel's right to exist. The Arabs are descended from Ishmael and Islam claims that God's covenant is with the Arabs, not Jews. This is what God had to say about Ishmael:

"He will be a wild donkey of a man, and his hand will be against everyone, and everyone’s hand against him; he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.” Genesis 16:12 . Psalm 83 lists the nations that are God's enemies. Egypt is not in that list. Iran is.

Israel is not entirely innocent. However, when you are surrounded by enemies who deny your right to exist, how are you supposed to react? The Arabs have not rescinded their "three nos" declaration: No peace, no recognition, no negotiation.

It is continually miraculous that Israel survives and prospers. It's the only democracy in the region. Women have rights that Arab women or Muslims can only dream of. Palestians live in bitterness, resentment and hate and suffer miserable lives as a consequence. Israel allowed 18,000 Gazans to work in Israel. Those people spied for Hamas and enabled Hamas to strike the most vulnerable in order to create the most distress. If I were not a Christian, and I ruled Israel, I would turn Gaza into a car park. I would drive out every Muslim and replace the population with Jews.

God has protected Israel. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you take it up with Him.
 

iamsoandso

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This is true. The Ultra Orthodox Jews point this out as well, but the secular Zionist Jews ignored them and pushed for it 50 years before Israel was founded. The Torah teaches that their Messiah must come first before they come back from exile. All of this is confusing and doesn't make any sense to displace modern-day inhabitants and steal their homes. I'm saying homes and not land because the land has been promised by God, but not at the expensive of having to steal homes. For some reason, many (not all) Christians don't seem to care. Unfortunately, we have to be worried about being cancelled by stating facts which show Israel contradicts themselves.

I'm also certain that the Torah doesn't condone apartheid on Palestinians either.

Their not going to understand why the Orthodox Jews see that the Messiah is the only one who can establish the kingdom and that they were suppose to wait instead of taking it upon themselves to establish one(Zionism that is). Again the Orthodox Jews cant see that Jesus was that very Christ and await another Messiah and will worship that man of sin when he comes. On one part of Christianity they endorse another Israel as the true Israel and have helped it's wound to be healed while the other extreme of Christianity see's it as nothing and is unaware that the beast is rising in front of their faces.
 
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So let's just say racism doesn't exist since we are all related.
There are people who maybe hate certain groups of people bases on ethnicity. Thats not the same as calling out bad behavior or disagreeing with them, and it is certainly not the same as disagreeing with the actions and positions of the polities that govern them. Which is how the term racism is used for the most part. That is why i pretty much assume anyone who does this is overcome by stupidity, which is a moral problem not an intellectual problem.