No, the earth is not flat.
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And, my question is - in this context - why does it matter???
Do you not understand the sheer significance of this?
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Why do people ignore the blatant major point of something only to focus on other less-important or out-of-context details?
I will suggest that it is caused by Cognitive Dissonance.
People just cannot bring themselves to say - or even to think:
"Well - I guess 'modern science' does not have all of the answers after all..."
Why do people think that 'modern science' cannot possibly be wrong about anything???
Why do people make a 'god' out of 'modern science'???
And - yes - that is exactly what you are doing if 'modern science' is the one thing in your worldview that cannot be 'broken'.
It then becomes a 'god' to you.
Do you not understand the sheer significance of this?
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Why do people ignore the blatant major point of something only to focus on other less-important or out-of-context details?
I will suggest that it is caused by Cognitive Dissonance.
People just cannot bring themselves to say - or even to think:
"Well - I guess 'modern science' does not have all of the answers after all..."
Why do people think that 'modern science' cannot possibly be wrong about anything???
Why do people make a 'god' out of 'modern science'???
And - yes - that is exactly what you are doing if 'modern science' is the one thing in your worldview that cannot be 'broken'.
It then becomes a 'god' to you.
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For a [real bona fide born-again] Christian - the only thing that should be considered as 'cannot be broken' is the Word of God - everything else is subject to the hand of Satan and should always be considered as - as they say in the courtroom - a 'hostile witness' - and tested-to-the-hilt before believing it.
If/When you let the traditions-of-men "worldly way" consume you and convince you that it is "more correct" than the God Who created everything - you err greatly!
Please wake up sleeping Christians!
If/When you let the traditions-of-men "worldly way" consume you and convince you that it is "more correct" than the God Who created everything - you err greatly!
Please wake up sleeping Christians!
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You've shared something. I'm exploring it further. You make light of my question. Then you challenge my belief operating system.How many times in your life have you changed your mind about something based on a singular piece of evidence?
No offense, but I'll look for my answers elsewhere. But thanks for what you have shared.
No offense, but I'll look for my answers elsewhere. But thanks for what you have shared.
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You live in a world where you are told way more lies than you are told the truth - believe it!
Please wake up and "get out of the MATRIX" and see the whole truth about the world you live in.
It is a harsh truth - but, you are better off knowing about it than living in the deception and swallowing-it-whole.
Please wake up and "get out of the MATRIX" and see the whole truth about the world you live in.
It is a harsh truth - but, you are better off knowing about it than living in the deception and swallowing-it-whole.
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No offense taken. But - also - no offense intended.
Please try to understand my response from my point of view. I really hate to see other people (especially other Christians) - who seem to refuse-refuse-refuse to accept the smallest tiny bit of truth if it in any way whatsoever seems to be in conflict with 'modern science' ("the 'god' of the earth") - [seem to] not "allow the light to go on" in their minds when they are presented with a bit of truth.
You-bet-your-ever-loving-whatever-you-got-that-is-ever-loving I am challenging your belief system - that is the whole intent - to wake-you-up to the truth!
However, it is not a challenge against you-the-person as such - only your belief system - which believes in a worldly belief system that is in great satanic error.
And, whether you realize it or not - it is done in Christian love.
Please try to understand that.
Now - while I don't apologize for my stance on the topic/issue - I do apologize for my allowing the current context of this discussion to "set me off" - apart from simply trying to help you understand my drawing, the Flat Earth model, etc. - which I am still willing to do.
I know I should have "bit my tongue" and just tried to help you with your questions. However, there is a thing that happens every-single-time I try to do this - the person I try to help continuously moves away from the topic/context/issue instead of focusing on it - as if to totally avoid doing so due to cognitive dissonance. (And, that is why 'cognitive dissonance' is such a 'catch-phrase' in the Flat Earth realm - people seem to be "eaten up by it" and constantly go in any direction imaginable that they think will "relieve" the "uncomfortable sensation" that always seems to come with experiencing 'cognitive dissonance'.)
Right-or-wrong - sometimes, I feel like:
"I just have to say this right now."
Please try to understand my perspective.
I should hope that you at least are aware that my "response" to you was separated from my "response" to 'the crowd' with the use of the tilde-on-its-own-line-with-blank-lines-before-and-after.
Please try to understand my response from my point of view. I really hate to see other people (especially other Christians) - who seem to refuse-refuse-refuse to accept the smallest tiny bit of truth if it in any way whatsoever seems to be in conflict with 'modern science' ("the 'god' of the earth") - [seem to] not "allow the light to go on" in their minds when they are presented with a bit of truth.
You-bet-your-ever-loving-whatever-you-got-that-is-ever-loving I am challenging your belief system - that is the whole intent - to wake-you-up to the truth!
However, it is not a challenge against you-the-person as such - only your belief system - which believes in a worldly belief system that is in great satanic error.
And, whether you realize it or not - it is done in Christian love.
Please try to understand that.
Now - while I don't apologize for my stance on the topic/issue - I do apologize for my allowing the current context of this discussion to "set me off" - apart from simply trying to help you understand my drawing, the Flat Earth model, etc. - which I am still willing to do.
I know I should have "bit my tongue" and just tried to help you with your questions. However, there is a thing that happens every-single-time I try to do this - the person I try to help continuously moves away from the topic/context/issue instead of focusing on it - as if to totally avoid doing so due to cognitive dissonance. (And, that is why 'cognitive dissonance' is such a 'catch-phrase' in the Flat Earth realm - people seem to be "eaten up by it" and constantly go in any direction imaginable that they think will "relieve" the "uncomfortable sensation" that always seems to come with experiencing 'cognitive dissonance'.)
Right-or-wrong - sometimes, I feel like:
"I just have to say this right now."
Please try to understand my perspective.
I should hope that you at least are aware that my "response" to you was separated from my "response" to 'the crowd' with the use of the tilde-on-its-own-line-with-blank-lines-before-and-after.
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And THIS is the NUMBER ONE reason why no Flat Earth folks want to answer a lot of the questions that are brought up in this environment.
It is so incredibly aggravating that it fast becomes not-worth-it-for-anything...
It is literally a great labor of love to try to do it in the first place.
It is so incredibly aggravating that it fast becomes not-worth-it-for-anything...
It is literally a great labor of love to try to do it in the first place.
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I never take things personally. I do wonder though...I run across some very smart people. Certainly smarter than myself. They spend a lot of time learning about many things and have a desire to share. Just like you. And their desire is honorable and admirable. But in all their learning, they have never learned how people learn. So they end up with much knowledge and little audience.
I'm not singling you out. But what good many could do is lost for want of love. Rather than look for an area of agreement to build upon, differences are noted and positions are hardened as emotions rise. Nothing profitable ensues. What was the point?
I'm not singling you out. But what good many could do is lost for want of love. Rather than look for an area of agreement to build upon, differences are noted and positions are hardened as emotions rise. Nothing profitable ensues. What was the point?
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I understand what you are saying; however, I believe that there is a 'facet' of this thing you are not seeing...
Upon reaching the decision that you wish to learn something - and, asking the 'teacher' (the Bible, a pastor, a teacher in school, a video channel on YouTube, etc.) the question - do you then demand that the 'teacher' only teach you in a particular specified way - or, do you allow the 'teacher' to "lead" you in the "path of knowledge" to the final end result that you seek?
Do you totally mistrust the 'teacher' by assuming that the 'method' the 'teacher' wishes to use to help you best understand the answer you seek is wrong? And, that you know better? Or, do you give the teacher the common courtesy of "leading" in the learning process?
I know that people can learn by asking questions; however, that is the part that takes place before the point in the process that is at the beginning of the paragraph above that starts with the word 'Upon'. After the question has been asked - should the 'teacher' not have any say in how they teach you the knowledge you seek? Did they not learn it themselves - and, along with experience - learn themselves the best way to convey/teach it to others?
Why would you say, in effect, "please teach me" - and then totally resist being "led" by the 'teacher' in the "path of knowledge" that you seek - that they presumably know more about than you...??? (Which is why you asked the question in the first place - because you believe they have knowledge you wish to obtain. And, if you really don't believe the 'teacher' is "worthy" of teaching you anything/something - why did you ask [them] the question???)
We started out with an area of agreement to build upon; however, you wanted to leave it in order to complicate it.
In this particular context, there is no point to getting away from the drawing until you decide one of two things:
1) You agree that the drawing does in fact illustrate the true facts.
2) You disagree that the drawing does in fact illustrate the true facts.
The predictability of eclipses, the nature of earthquakes and volcanoes, or anything else - has absolutely nothing to do with what the drawing is illustrating - and, while more questions may be interesting to ask in future inquiries about other aspects of the larger topic, they are not helpful to arriving at a conclusion about whether the illustration that is given by the drawing is true or not.
Do you understand what I am trying to get across to you?
If you are going to stick close to the topic-at-hand - the thing being focused upon - then you cannot stray from the topic-at-hand - which was/is the illustration of the drawing.
If you cannot agree or disagree with the illustration of the drawing, then you definitely do not need to be straying off into other areas - which will be totally unproductive as you have seen.
First you say you want to do this in "baby steps" (as it were) - and then you want to make a giant leap into another arena entirely --- what is the deal with that???
Just imagine the good that could be done if everyone on here swallowed their pride and let the Flat Earth "teachers" lead them in the "path of knowledge" concerning Flat Earth.
The problem is - very few actually seek knowledge...
And, most just want to "mess with" the Flat Earth folks.
You may-or-may-not want to do that; however, most do I assure you. And, we have gotten really tired of that crap...
Nobody really truly wants to learn anything. What most people want is expressed in this saying:
"Most people don't really want the Truth. They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the Truth." (Author Unknown)
"Just sayin'..."
Upon reaching the decision that you wish to learn something - and, asking the 'teacher' (the Bible, a pastor, a teacher in school, a video channel on YouTube, etc.) the question - do you then demand that the 'teacher' only teach you in a particular specified way - or, do you allow the 'teacher' to "lead" you in the "path of knowledge" to the final end result that you seek?
Do you totally mistrust the 'teacher' by assuming that the 'method' the 'teacher' wishes to use to help you best understand the answer you seek is wrong? And, that you know better? Or, do you give the teacher the common courtesy of "leading" in the learning process?
I know that people can learn by asking questions; however, that is the part that takes place before the point in the process that is at the beginning of the paragraph above that starts with the word 'Upon'. After the question has been asked - should the 'teacher' not have any say in how they teach you the knowledge you seek? Did they not learn it themselves - and, along with experience - learn themselves the best way to convey/teach it to others?
Why would you say, in effect, "please teach me" - and then totally resist being "led" by the 'teacher' in the "path of knowledge" that you seek - that they presumably know more about than you...??? (Which is why you asked the question in the first place - because you believe they have knowledge you wish to obtain. And, if you really don't believe the 'teacher' is "worthy" of teaching you anything/something - why did you ask [them] the question???)
We started out with an area of agreement to build upon; however, you wanted to leave it in order to complicate it.
In this particular context, there is no point to getting away from the drawing until you decide one of two things:
1) You agree that the drawing does in fact illustrate the true facts.
2) You disagree that the drawing does in fact illustrate the true facts.
The predictability of eclipses, the nature of earthquakes and volcanoes, or anything else - has absolutely nothing to do with what the drawing is illustrating - and, while more questions may be interesting to ask in future inquiries about other aspects of the larger topic, they are not helpful to arriving at a conclusion about whether the illustration that is given by the drawing is true or not.
Do you understand what I am trying to get across to you?
If you are going to stick close to the topic-at-hand - the thing being focused upon - then you cannot stray from the topic-at-hand - which was/is the illustration of the drawing.
If you cannot agree or disagree with the illustration of the drawing, then you definitely do not need to be straying off into other areas - which will be totally unproductive as you have seen.
First you say you want to do this in "baby steps" (as it were) - and then you want to make a giant leap into another arena entirely --- what is the deal with that???
Just imagine the good that could be done if everyone on here swallowed their pride and let the Flat Earth "teachers" lead them in the "path of knowledge" concerning Flat Earth.
The problem is - very few actually seek knowledge...
And, most just want to "mess with" the Flat Earth folks.
You may-or-may-not want to do that; however, most do I assure you. And, we have gotten really tired of that crap...
Nobody really truly wants to learn anything. What most people want is expressed in this saying:
"Most people don't really want the Truth. They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the Truth." (Author Unknown)
"Just sayin'..."
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Thanks for your input! It's great to find a common ground, when the discussion has it a brick wall, or should I say, "ice wall". lol
Yeah, Noah's flood would be a head scratcher on a flat earth, but I find it incredibly silly to even discuss flat earth as a possibility. Once again Dino, your a man with great patience, and that is commendable.
Yeah, Noah's flood would be a head scratcher on a flat earth, but I find it incredibly silly to even discuss flat earth as a possibility. Once again Dino, your a man with great patience, and that is commendable.
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Earth is flat. 🤣 😜
It amazes me we are still having these conversations when even the ancients knew everything was round. Think of the sundial (the shape is round) for telling time by the sun. A practice we still use but don't think about. The sun rises in the east and sets in the west, mentioned in the Bible. They knew much more about astronomy back then. We do not.
We are taught the planets revolve around the sun. The sun is a star.... like the stars we see at night. Each one being is own solar system. "Count the stars" as mentioned in the Bible would be impossible and still holds true today. But the ancients knew about stars. The star of Bethlehem for example leading the wise men from the east. They followed the stars for directions.
The planets revolve around the sun, but that is only part of it. The sun is also moving, like a vortex in space.
It amazes me we are still having these conversations when even the ancients knew everything was round. Think of the sundial (the shape is round) for telling time by the sun. A practice we still use but don't think about. The sun rises in the east and sets in the west, mentioned in the Bible. They knew much more about astronomy back then. We do not.
We are taught the planets revolve around the sun. The sun is a star.... like the stars we see at night. Each one being is own solar system. "Count the stars" as mentioned in the Bible would be impossible and still holds true today. But the ancients knew about stars. The star of Bethlehem for example leading the wise men from the east. They followed the stars for directions.
The planets revolve around the sun, but that is only part of it. The sun is also moving, like a vortex in space.
