Israel Declares War

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HeIsHere

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Well there's one point in this that we can agree on. But removing terrorists isn't.
Israel is in the process of ethnic cleansing. 1.1 million people have been told to leave their homes most are children. How many will die in this process.

Their leader is corrupt end of story.

Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated merely because he advocated for peace.
 

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Hamas isn't an ethnic group. It is a terrorist organization. If he said kill all Palestinians, that would be ethnic cleansing.
I was not referring to Hamas, I was referring to the million Palestinians ordered to leave their homes/empty hospitals with no where to go.
 

Cameron143

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I was not referring to Hamas, I was referring to the million Palestinians ordered to leave their homes/empty hospitals with no where to go.
My mistake. Carry on.
 

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Hamas isn't an ethnic group. It is a terrorist organization. If he said kill all Palestinians, that would be ethnic cleansing.
I would like to add the order "to kill" is not only ethnic cleansing, mass expulsion is considered to be ethnic cleaning.
 

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I think the Arabs are treated very well considering they have been offered land at least 4xs and rejected it every time.
Israel has offered some Palestinians land deals... most times, arguably, it's not been an equitable trade. The Palestinians that it's been offered to, were located in areas that Israel wanted to annex, and the lands offered were less than ideal. And only to a few hundred thousand here or there.

But I'm unaware of any offer to the total population of the Gaza Strip (2.5+mil.)... could you cite your sources?
 

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I was not referring to Hamas, I was referring to the million Palestinians ordered to leave their homes/empty hospitals with no where to go.
Why are you thinking that Israel saying to them to go south below the river Gaza to minimize civilian casualties is ethnic cleansing?
 

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Why are you thinking that Israel saying to them to go south below the river Gaza to minimize civilian casualties is ethnic cleansing?
I think that Israel's first choice was to send them to Egypt... but they said "No". They didn't want any part of Israel's attempt to destroy the Palestinian people and their nation... according to them.
 

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I would like to add the order "to kill" is not only ethnic cleansing, mass expulsion is considered to be ethnic cleaning.
I don't believe the expulsion is designed to be permanent. It also is meant to save their lives.
War is never a pretty thing. The devastation it brings often doesn't discriminate between combatant and civilian. I'm always in favor of a diplomatic solution first, but I don't see one here. Because Hamas uses civilians as shields for its weapons and fighters, there are going to be civilian casualties. Israel should do all it can to minimize civilian deaths. But if Hamas isn't taken out, the number of civilian deaths will never stop.
Having said all that, once Israel controls Gaza again, it is incumbent upon them to ensure that no terrorist organization is allowed back in. Otherwise, rinse and repeat.
 

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I think that Israel's first choice was to send them to Egypt... but they said "No". They didn't want any part of Israel's attempt to destroy the Palestinian people and their nation... according to them.
Four days ago the US was negotiating US citizens and others to cross into Egypt for their safety. That did not happen so Israel dropped leaflets telling hen to move south over the Gaza River. https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/11/politics/us-talks-safe-passage-gaza/index.html
 
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I think the Arabs are treated very well considering they have been offered land at least 4xs and rejected it every time.
I think that it might help for you get the other side of the story. I posted a link to a youtube channel that describes the issues they face. If you need me to will post the link again.
I always like to hear both sides of a situtation and i prefer first hand accounts not media hype as much as possible.
 

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I don't believe the expulsion is designed to be permanent. It also is meant to save their lives.
War is never a pretty thing. The devastation it brings often doesn't discriminate between combatant and civilian. I'm always in favor of a diplomatic solution first, but I don't see one here. Because Hamas uses civilians as shields for its weapons and fighters, there are going to be civilian casualties. Israel should do all it can to minimize civilian deaths. But if Hamas isn't taken out, the number of civilian deaths will never stop.
Having said all that, once Israel controls Gaza again, it is incumbent upon them to ensure that no terrorist organization is allowed back in. Otherwise, rinse and repeat.

Top officials in the Israeli government have been flirting with the idea of mass expulsion for a while.

I am hard pressed to believe saving lives is the reason, they know international law and they know the world is watching.



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HeIsHere

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Why are you thinking that Israel saying to them to go south below the river Gaza to minimize civilian casualties is ethnic cleansing?
Because of the statements made by Jews against what is happening to the Palestinians.
 

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Israel is in the process of ethnic cleansing. 1.1 million people have been told to leave their homes most are children. How many will die in this process.
Their leader is corrupt end of story.
No it isn't. That is what Hamas just did. Israel is going after terrorists, not civilians. They gave civilians time to get out, Hamas didn't. They butchered families, they raped woman, they took hostages. Israel is going after those people and those people only. Every Christian should stand up against what Hamas terrorists did to innocent civilians.

Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated merely because he advocated for peace.
The only peace there will be in the ME is false peace that the anti-Christ offers.
 

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Because of the statements made by Jews against what is happening to the Palestinians.

Benzi Sanders is a "political activist/organizer" not a member of the Knesset(I would rather stick to the actual Israeli officials)
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Because of the statements made by Jews against what is happening to the Palestinians.

If your kin, brothers, sisters, parents, children were murdered or taken hostage you'd have a reaction too. If it was your loved one they were holding as a hostage, you'd be a little emotional. They are not ethnic cleansing, that is a fact. They have given time for civilians to leave. What Hamas did was ethnic cleansing!
 

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Top officials in the Israeli government have been flirting with the idea of mass expulsion for a while.

I am hard pressed to believe saving lives is the reason, they know international law and they know the world is watching.



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So you form your opinion based on the views of a few bigots and from the sentiments of sympathetic voices.
What do you propose should happen?
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Hamas isn't an ethnic group. It is a terrorist organization. If he said kill all Palestinians, that would be ethnic cleansing.

There we go!! Facts!! What Hamas did was ethnic cleansing, killing Jewish families door to door.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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I think that it might help for you get the other side of the story. I posted a link to a youtube channel that describes the issues they face. If you need me to will post the link again.
I always like to hear both sides of a situtation and i prefer first hand accounts not media hype as much as possible.


I don't take on the ground accounts as "hype". I have seen journalists weep at what they are seeing. These people aren't like us, they have seen horrific things. So when they weep, I take notice.

I don't care the issues they think they face. They were given a chance at land 4xs and turned it down and even Bill Clinton said there's no pleasing them. Israel wants peace, they have offered land for peace which is a blazed lot more than the Arabs have done. There is no such people as Palestinians, they have never had a king, they speak the Arabic language there is no proof of any history of a Palestinian people. It is not a country. It cannot be occupied because it is not a country. They have every freedom to come and go. They have places in gov't, they have hospitals they have schools and colleges, they have every opportunity! So stop listening to propaganda and look up some facts. If they will not accept the land offered then go home to the Arab countries they came from. People don't know a lie from the truth anymore. What is more frightening is that they don't care to know the truth!
 

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