Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

[NTNT58]

These and many others are good questions. Asking questions can be just an attempt to put forth one's beliefs or it could be a work of God and the beginning of faith. As to answering the questions, it would depend on the audience and my familiarity with them. If I know them and regularly speak with them I would probably give longer and more detailed answers. If I didn't know the audience well, I would probably be the one asking questions. All that to say, the circumstances generally dictate the answer. But in either case, I would expect God to give me what to say...whether through study or in the moment.
If you want me to answer the questions individually, I have no problem doing that. But I would need a defined audience.

Let's say a lifelong atheist or an agnostic is doubting the Bible because of contradictions. Let's say the admit they want God to be real and they would worship him, but how do you, as a Christian know what the truth is when billions of Christians can't even decide which church is true and which commandments need to be followed. Can you prove your denomination is the correct one? They might allude to Quran being less self contradictory and Muslims being united in faith.

 

[NTNT58]

Maybe you can teach younger believers to better answer objections to Scripture or God. I have engaged unbelievers over the years and without God stepping in, it don’t matter how good or detailed your answers are.

I agree, but you can use logic to defeat atheist worldview. You might not convert them, but you'll put them into a logical loop they can't get out of, so they have no choice but to admit they just don't want to sacrifice their life of sin for a life of faith. At least that would show others that the atheist worldview is not logical.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Let's say a lifelong atheist or an agnostic is doubting the Bible because of contradictions. Let's say the admit they want God to be real and they would worship him, but how do you, as a Christian know what the truth is when billions of Christians can't even decide which church is true and which commandments need to be followed. Can you prove your denomination is the correct one? They might allude to Quran being less self contradictory and Muslims being united in faith.

You're trusting more in the KJV translation than in the power of God to lead a genuinely seeking person to Himself and to His correct teachings. That's idolatry and you need to repent of that. TRUST GOD to lead a person to salvation because that is HIS reponsibility, not a mere translation of Scripture.


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[NTNT58]

"Thrown the Bible under the bus"? Whatever!

I have demonstrated that the KJV is not without error, and thereby refuted your position. That you can't accept the presence of error in the KJV is your delusional problem. Don't worry, you have plenty of company on this board.

You've demonstrated an apparent error and the other user demonstrated the solution to the error, so now YOUR position has been refuted and the ball is in your court.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I found a secret message in a one time. Someone wrote it inappropriate note; stuck it in the wrong Bible

 

[NTNT58]

You're trusting more in the KJV translation than in the power of God to lead a genuinely seeking person to Himself and to His correct teachings. That's idolatry and you need to repent of that. TRUST GOD to lead a person to salvation because that is HIS reponsibility, not a mere translation of Scripture.


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First of all I'm not trusting anything more than power of God. I'm not even KJV only, I merely challenged people to point out errors in it and point out errors in the video I posted. Billions of Christians claim that God is guiding them and yet they disagree about everything - which denomination? Which commandments do we need to follow? So obviously your approach of not thinking for yourself is NOT working for vast majority of people.

But most importantly - NOWHERE DID I EVEN SUGGESTED THAT SALVATION IS THROUGH TRANSLATION!

 

[Dino246]

You've demonstrated an apparent error and the other user demonstrated the solution to the error, so now YOUR position has been refuted and the ball is in your court.

Wong. You apparently don't understand the issue. There is no "solution" to the error; the KJV has an internal contradiction where no more than one of the options can be the truth. Which is true is completely irrelevant to the point (though you were harping on that for a while).

However, you aren't the only one around here who can't countenance error in the KJV, so I will leave you to your cult. Have a nice day.

 

[NTNT58]

Wong. You apparently don't understand the issue. There is no "solution" to the error; the KJV has an internal contradiction where no more than one of the options can be the truth. Which is true is completely irrelevant to the point (though you were harping on that for a while).

However, you aren't the only one around here who can't countenance error in the KJV, so I will leave you to your cult. Have a nice day.

Wrong again! There are 8 solutions to the error, if you actually read before responding you would have seen the link to those solutions...

 

[Cameron143]

Let's say a lifelong atheist or an agnostic is doubting the Bible because of contradictions. Let's say the admit they want God to be real and they would worship him, but how do you, as a Christian know what the truth is when billions of Christians can't even decide which church is true and which commandments need to be followed. Can you prove your denomination is the correct one? They might allude to Quran being less self contradictory and Muslims being united in faith.

Sure.
I would begin by asking them questions to see the extent of their knowledge of Christianity and their own Muslim beliefs. It is a mistake to assume that the Muslim faith is a united faith. There are many branches and great disparity in practice. That would be my initial point of emphasis on differences and I would go from there.
As far as commandments go, except those that no longer apply, I would say they all should be obeyed. My focus here wouldn't be the commandments themselves, but what obedience actually entails. That is, not mere adherence to an outward behavior, but behavior sourced through a pure heart. This could go in a lot of directions, but the purpose is to show an inability to truly keep the law. And that opens the door to Christ.
Since I'm not part of a denomination and attend an independent local assembly, I denomination to defend. I would simply explain why I believe this best approximates the early church. But this topic also affords the opportunity to introduce good verses evil and the different avenues Satan uses against God's people.
As far as proof goes, I never try to prove anything. If God puts someone into my life, I assume He is trying to change me, not them. I will begin to pray for them and look for interest on their part for the things of God, and would view an interest as a work of God. If it is true that none seek after God, then someone seeking may well be doing so because God is in the process of drawing that person to Himself. But I've found over time, working where God isn't working means the results are all mine. The problem with that is, I can't save anyone. Jesus said He did always what He saw the Father doing. My advice in evangelizing is to become so intimate with God that we can recognize what God is doing.

 

[Magenta]

I agree, but you can use logic to defeat atheist worldview. You might not convert them, but you'll put them
into a logical loop they can't get out of, so they have no choice but to admit they just don't want to sacrifice
their life of sin for a life of faith. At least that would show others that the atheist worldview is not logical.

Atheists don't believe in sin. Have you ever actually spoken to atheists? They admit they are wrong??? LOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[Magenta]

It is a mistake to assume that the Muslim faith is a united faith.

No kidding! They are at war with each other... and always have been, just like the Bible says.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I wonder…

Despite the fact that I am certainly a TR advocate, the wider question is the admissibility and authority of the CT to modify the Greek text that most translations take as their source. I certainly hold that God had a hand in the production of the KJV but I understand that others are more sceptical.

“KJV only” aside, is there not room for a reasoned position based on a re-assessment of the core text toward TR based translations?

look, when you translate the Hebrew to Greek, then from Greek to Latin, and then from Latin [[BACK]] to Greek, and then Greek to English...how far OFF are you, compared to, had you just took the Hebrew and directly translated it to English?

there's [[FOUR]] Language Interpretations involved and it's interpreting one language to its meaning and then translating that into another Language and then do it again. that is what Erasmus explained.


so, GOD, [[[WAS NOT]]] involved at all in this DECEPTION!

 

[NTNT58]

Sure.
I would begin by asking them questions to see the extent of their knowledge of Christianity and their own Muslim beliefs. It is a mistake to assume that the Muslim faith is a united faith. There are many branches and great disparity in practice. That would be my initial point of emphasis on differences and I would go from there.
As far as commandments go, except those that no longer apply, I would say they all should be obeyed. My focus here wouldn't be the commandments themselves, but what obedience actually entails. That is, not mere adherence to an outward behavior, but behavior sourced through a pure heart. This could go in a lot of directions, but the purpose is to show an inability to truly keep the law. And that opens the door to Christ.
Since I'm not part of a denomination and attend an independent local assembly, I denomination to defend. I would simply explain why I believe this best approximates the early church. But this topic also affords the opportunity to introduce good verses evil and the different avenues Satan uses against God's people.
As far as proof goes, I never try to prove anything. If God puts someone into my life, I assume He is trying to change me, not them. I will begin to pray for them and look for interest on their part for the things of God, and would view an interest as a work of God. If it is true that none seek after God, then someone seeking may well be doing so because God is in the process of drawing that person to Himself. But I've found over time, working where God isn't working means the results are all mine. The problem with that is, I can't save anyone. Jesus said He did always what He saw the Father doing. My advice in evangelizing is to become so intimate with God that we can recognize what God is doing.

WOW! Winner! Thank you for actually answering the question.

 

[NTNT58]

Atheists don't believe in sin. Have you ever actually spoken to atheists? They admit they are wrong??? LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Yes. And it's a lot more complicated than you make it out to be. I used to be an atheist and agnostic myself throughout most of my life. I grew up in agnostic family, but I remember when I was little I accepted Jesus deep in my heart and lived my life as if God might be real. There are so many evil things I could have done to be highly successful, which I skipped over because I felt like God wouldn't want me to do them. I was repulsed by the hypocrisy of the religious community and called myself an atheist, often times saying there is no way of knowing of God's existence and sometimes even denying God's existence. I essentially lived a double life of secretly accepting God and waiting for him to guide me, but at the same time rebelling. There are 2 kinds of people who claim to be atheists - those who are waiting to be saved and those who are waiting to be lost forever.

 

[Magenta]

Yes. And it's a lot more complicated than you make it out to be. I used to be an atheist and agnostic myself throughout most of my life. I grew up in agnostic family, but I remember when I was little I accepted Jesus deep in my heart and lived my life as if God might be real. There are so many evil things I could have done to be highly successful, which I skipped over because I felt like God wouldn't want me to do them. I was repulsed by the hypocrisy of the religious community and called myself an atheist, often times saying there is no way of knowing of God's existence and sometimes even denying God's existence. I essentially lived a double life of secretly accepting God and waiting for him to guide me, but at the same time rebelling. There are 2 kinds of atheists - those who are waiting to be saved and those who are waiting to be lost forever.

So much for your logic. If you accepted Jesus when you were "little" you did not live most of your life as an atheist.

 

[NTNT58]

So much for your logic. If you accepted Jesus when you were "little" you did not live most of your life as an atheist.

The context here is we are talking about people who deny God's existence and claim to be atheist...

And many atheists live good and moral lives according to humanity's definition of good and moral. It sounds like you are confusing atheists with moral degenerates.

 

[Cameron143]

Yes. And it's a lot more complicated than you make it out to be. I used to be an atheist and agnostic myself throughout most of my life. I grew up in agnostic family, but I remember when I was little I accepted Jesus deep in my heart and lived my life as if God might be real. There are so many evil things I could have done to be highly successful, which I skipped over because I felt like God wouldn't want me to do them. I was repulsed by the hypocrisy of the religious community and called myself an atheist, often times saying there is no way of knowing of God's existence and sometimes even denying God's existence. I essentially lived a double life of secretly accepting God and waiting for him to guide me, but at the same time rebelling. There are 2 kinds of atheists - those who are waiting to be saved and those who are waiting to be lost forever.

Your insight and experience in gnosticism and atheism make you a good choice by God to speak to others in that group. You also seem to have a heart for such people. If you allow God to work through you, you'll be fine.

 

[Magenta]

The context here is we are talking about people who deny God's existence and claim to be atheist...

And many atheists live good and moral lives according to humanity's definition of
good and moral. It sounds like you are confusing atheists with moral degenerates.

It sounds like you are rejecting the Biblical definition of evil.

 

[Dino246]

Wrong again! There are 8 solutions to the error, if you actually read before responding you would have seen the link to those solutions...

I am well aware of the explanations. They are irrelevant. The error exists, and no amount of explanation undoes that. Deal with it.

 

[NTNT58]

Your insight and experience in gnosticism and atheism make you a good choice by God to speak to others in that group. You also seem to have a heart for such people. If you allow God to work through you, you'll be fine.

When it comes to eternal life and salvation I have heart for everyone, even people I hate on the surface. "Forgive them father for they know not what they do"