Do our words carry the same power as God?
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Faith isn't speaking it's doing. I've seen people healed but first you gotta be right with God. Kinda like Jesus said to leave your gift at the altar and reconcile your problems first. I've had to forgive people before answered prayer before. If we stay in tune with God then the impossible is possible. Be sure you give God the credit.
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You must forgive my doubt because many claim to be operating in the Spirit and so often nothing occurs. Not that I am a signs and wonders seeker but I do not see greater miracles than Jesus. Has anyone been raised from death after multiple days? A hurricane completely stilled? Why all the parade and dance to deliver a demon if Jesus simply said be gone? Why do people who are supposedly healed get sick again soon after?
But I agree God has the power and can operate in whom and when he wants. But even magicians could copy some of Mose's warnings. We must have better discernment. I don't know if people here follow the teachings in the OP but if they take the power of words to the depths of the OP then they are in error.
But I agree God has the power and can operate in whom and when he wants. But even magicians could copy some of Mose's warnings. We must have better discernment. I don't know if people here follow the teachings in the OP but if they take the power of words to the depths of the OP then they are in error.
Tell me about it!! Victor Wierwille (The WAY international) for only $400 BACK IN 1975, WHOULD teach you how to Speak in Tongues, interpret tongues, and Prophesy on cue. He also taught that what you do in the body, had no effect on your "Spiritual Condition". Those folks knew how to party down!!! And HE was a Doctor of Theology!!!
Bottom line: What a person CLAIMS + $3.59 will get you a large coffee at McDonald's, but nothing else 99 times out of 100.
Bear in mind that the early church got rid of their possessions, and lived together having everything in common, so motivated were they to GET THE WORD OUT.
We expect to see the same miracles, when we spend two hours together, and complain about the color of the walls in the sanctuary???
Miracles tend to happen in the "Field" where there no UberEats, and the nearest hospital is a day away.
Or maybe any "discernment" at all.
Bottom line: What a person CLAIMS + $3.59 will get you a large coffee at McDonald's, but nothing else 99 times out of 100.
Bear in mind that the early church got rid of their possessions, and lived together having everything in common, so motivated were they to GET THE WORD OUT.
We expect to see the same miracles, when we spend two hours together, and complain about the color of the walls in the sanctuary???
Miracles tend to happen in the "Field" where there no UberEats, and the nearest hospital is a day away.
Or maybe any "discernment" at all.
Chuckle: REAL QUESTION: "do you have any example that I'd take seriously??"
Probably not, but HEY!! one of our friends up in Lewisville, TX was crippled, and when Oral told him to touch the top of his TV, and he'd be healed. He did, and he was.
And there was the AG missionary about a decade ago, whose young daughter wandered into the lake behind their house and drowned. they found her because the local kids were throwing rocks at a "ball" floating in the water, that turned out to be her head. They asked God to restore her, and He did.
Or the sister of the Gal in the Celina, Ohio AG church who was demonized, and due to be institutionalized, since she couldn't fuinction any longer. The Pastor, and the church member went to her house, and cast the demonic spirit out, the sister was instantly, and when I asked about her 12 years later, still was.
I've been in the AG for most of the last 55 years, so I've heard quite a few "examples" along the way.
Probably not, but HEY!! one of our friends up in Lewisville, TX was crippled, and when Oral told him to touch the top of his TV, and he'd be healed. He did, and he was.
And there was the AG missionary about a decade ago, whose young daughter wandered into the lake behind their house and drowned. they found her because the local kids were throwing rocks at a "ball" floating in the water, that turned out to be her head. They asked God to restore her, and He did.
Or the sister of the Gal in the Celina, Ohio AG church who was demonized, and due to be institutionalized, since she couldn't fuinction any longer. The Pastor, and the church member went to her house, and cast the demonic spirit out, the sister was instantly, and when I asked about her 12 years later, still was.
I've been in the AG for most of the last 55 years, so I've heard quite a few "examples" along the way.
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I'm afraid you're correct about WOF'ers claiming these teachings.
But... that doesn't make these teachings any less correct.
So many throw out the baby(true doctrine) with the bathwater (WOF'ers) just because someone misuses scripture.
You DO realize if we did that every time someone misused scripture, we would have nothing left to read?
But... that doesn't make these teachings any less correct.
So many throw out the baby(true doctrine) with the bathwater (WOF'ers) just because someone misuses scripture.
You DO realize if we did that every time someone misused scripture, we would have nothing left to read?
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Why not investigate this for yourself because that's what I would do? I'd rather find out from God myself, and not just take someone else's word for it. It's in the Bible so I asked God to show me in my own life, and He did. He will do the same for you if you let Him.
I guess I'm hesitant to say anything about them because they are things you would need to see for yourself. If the Bible includes miracles, you should leave room for God to do them in your life as well.
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My old church made much of these same claims but never had evidence to back them up. I asked for medical documentation to rule out natural causes and they would never provide it.
But I do believe in healings I just believe many are fake within the health and wealth crowd.
Now the Assemblies of God has a weird history and a lot of modern controversy of heresy as well.
All pointing back to the Azusa Street revival that has led to many false teachings including a Christian having a demon.
Modern scandals of Hillsong and it's 35 year association to AG or Bethal of 51 years of association. It seems when scandals get to a peak they are forced to leave the denomination.
May 12, 2022 Officials at a small Pentecostal church in San Jose, California, confirmed that a 3-year-old girl died within their walls last September after undergoing a botched exorcism, bringing a renewed spotlight on the practice of expelling demons from individuals believed to be possessed. https://www.christianpost.com/news/after-girl-dies-in-botched-exorcism-ritual-takes-spotlight.html
It is a theological ideology fixated on power. That some how power (signs and wonders) is what makes the gospel affective.
With so much fake testimonies and false teachings I left the Charismatic church. Sure some may be real but I'd prefer to drain the waste water and keep the baby. So I went somewhere gospel focused.
But I understand the seeking of higher power because dominionism demands it to bring Christ's Kingdom on Earth through subjecting the 7 mountains of Seven Mountain theology.
But I do believe in healings I just believe many are fake within the health and wealth crowd.
Now the Assemblies of God has a weird history and a lot of modern controversy of heresy as well.
All pointing back to the Azusa Street revival that has led to many false teachings including a Christian having a demon.
Modern scandals of Hillsong and it's 35 year association to AG or Bethal of 51 years of association. It seems when scandals get to a peak they are forced to leave the denomination.
May 12, 2022 Officials at a small Pentecostal church in San Jose, California, confirmed that a 3-year-old girl died within their walls last September after undergoing a botched exorcism, bringing a renewed spotlight on the practice of expelling demons from individuals believed to be possessed. https://www.christianpost.com/news/after-girl-dies-in-botched-exorcism-ritual-takes-spotlight.html
It is a theological ideology fixated on power. That some how power (signs and wonders) is what makes the gospel affective.
With so much fake testimonies and false teachings I left the Charismatic church. Sure some may be real but I'd prefer to drain the waste water and keep the baby. So I went somewhere gospel focused.
But I understand the seeking of higher power because dominionism demands it to bring Christ's Kingdom on Earth through subjecting the 7 mountains of Seven Mountain theology.
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I'm afraid you're correct about WOF'ers claiming these teachings.
But... that doesn't make these teachings any less correct.
So many throw out the baby(true doctrine) with the bathwater (WOF'ers) just because someone misuses scripture.
You DO realize if we did that every time someone misused scripture, we would have nothing left to read?
But... that doesn't make these teachings any less correct.
So many throw out the baby(true doctrine) with the bathwater (WOF'ers) just because someone misuses scripture.
You DO realize if we did that every time someone misused scripture, we would have nothing left to read?
Sure if you look you may find something biblical but if 90% is error then id rather just find a different church.