Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

[NTNT58]

remember, you know this, because we've discussed this.
the kjv is the Textus Receptus.
therefore, the Old Testament is the Septuagint.


why is this worse?

well, if we translate Hebrew directly to English, we have the TRUTH!

but, if you use the Septuagint, you are taking the Hebrew translated to Greek and then from Greek to English.
so, it is not a direct translation like the Tanakh being translated from Hebrew to English.

the kjv [O.T.] is so far off, it literally is running blindfolded.

I've asked you where can one find a copy of this lost Bible that you claimed only few are left in the world. You never answered. I then posted links to Jewish library website that has a translation of Numbers 24:8 backing up my point and refuting yours.

And just because something uses a translation, doesn't mean it's wrong, it just means that the chances of it being more reliable are less. You'd you still have to prove which manuscripts are true and you can't even trace a copy or find a source that can prove your esoteric Bible is traced back to Bible time.

 

[FRB72]

NO, because we have the CREATOR of the TR, Erasmus, claiming it was INCORRECT and should not be used.

i've studied this guy. you should look into his background secrets before believing random strangers off youtube.

David Daniels was not the first person who brought out material on this issue. I have read a number of books and am in touch with several current researchers on the topic including Steven Avery and Chris Pinto.

The controversy has only exploded since Codex Sinaiticus became available for scrutiny and the records corroborating Simonides incidental claims have been collated.

 

[ResidentAlien]

And again you use logical fallacies such as argument from authority to demand a "controlled study" when anyone can do the study from their own computer just by plugging in the numbers shown to them in the video.

I'm not demanding anything; I'm just stating the obvious. No one can say if the methods employed by the guy in the video are reliable and trustworthy unless controlled studies are done on them. If anything you're the one arguing from authority. Anyway, I'm done here; I learned a long time ago you can't reason with King James onlyists.

 

[NTNT58]

I watched some of the video.
I also had a peek at the various sites he cites on his YT channel.
I didn't learn anything new, except that doing this activity stops me reading & studying the Bible (various translations) and commentaries. It seems to me the Word of God doesn't need to be proved as such.
Fair enough if that's what interests you, but I don't see how it edifies a person.
Keep it simple, I say.

Billions of people are being pulled away from Christianity because we can't even tell what it means, which church is the true church or which commandments we need to follow. Christians are divided on all of these things and all it does is drive people away to Islam, with it's more clear doctrine. This video may or may not provide additional prove of the Bible that many people are demanding.

 

[FRB72]

Another “hidden message” in the Bible, this time in the names of the Patriarchs from Adam to Noah…

It’s a good example because the “hidden” message matches the overt message, as one would expect from God.

 

[Magenta]

Billions of people are being pulled away from Christianity because we can't even tell what it means,
which church is the true church or which commandments we need to follow. Christians are divided
on all of these things and all it does is drive people away to Islam, with it's more clear doctrine.
This video may or may not provide additional prove of the Bible that many people are demanding.

People are not driven to Islam because of doctrinal differences within Christianity. They
accept Islam because they are deceived, and the deception woven into Islam itself.

I do understand that what you are presenting is perhaps not necessarily for Christians, since
born again Christians have already been convinced of the Truth of God's revealed written Word,
and their need of Jesus Christ, Who has reconciled us to God through His shed righteous blood.

It seems pointless trying to convince Christians of any value beyond the gospel message in Scripture.

 

[NTNT58]

There's no need to scrutinise the Bible for hidden codes & meanings.
We're surrounded by codes & numbers in nature that are clearly seen, and MUCH more pleasant to observe.
They clearly prove God's handiwork.
Open your eyes and see:

This kind of preaching is why many people become Muslim. Codes in nature may prove intelligent creator, but who's to prove that it's the God of the Bible and not Quran?

 

[NTNT58]

We are all wonderfully made, yet we are all wonderfully different. The poor, undereducated folks that walk our planet have the same access to God as the wealthy-highly educated individual. Some times the life lived, the kind acts, the attitude presented during sufferings, provides the basis for an unbeliever to lower their defenses. Using logic may or may not work—because I’m not sure that God fits with human logic very well. The Holy Spirit seems to do the hard work at the point of salvation-He softens ones hardened heart. It would be great for everyone to be saved in their youth, but some are satisfied with religion and doing a few good deeds—It is a matter of the heart, and it takes more than mere words or intellectual arguments to change that.

We must see our need for a Saviour.

While I agree that using logic may not convert people, but what it does is puts them in a logical loop where they can no longer use logic to defend their rebellion against God. This temporary life is not worth potential eternal rewards if there is an afterlife. That post was about disarming people's armor against the word of God, and one of the main armor is logic.

 

[FRB72]

People are not driven to Islam because of doctrinal differences within Christianity. They
accept Islam because they are deceived, and the deception woven into Islam itself.

I do understand that what you are presenting is perhaps not necessarily for Christians, since
born again Christians have already been convinced of the Truth of God's revealed written Word,
and their need of Jesus Christ, Who has reconciled us to God through His shed righteous blood.

It seems pointless trying to convince Christians of any value beyond the gospel message in Scripture.

 

[NTNT58]

I want you do admit that the contradiction probably would not be there if God were as involved in the development of the KJV as you seem to believe.

You realize that can also be applied to the Bible itself? Are you not a Christian? Just because people can't even decide which one of tens of thousands of denominations are true, doesn't mean one of them isn't. If you know a Bible version free of contradictions, then please, enlighten us...

 

[Cameron143]

This kind of preaching is why many people become Muslim. Codes in nature may prove intelligent creator, but who's to prove that it's the God of the Bible and not Quran?

The answer to your question is found when God reveals Himself in the person of Christ. This is the point of Jesus explaining Peter's declaration of Jesus as the Christ...flesh and blood has not revealed this to you...
A good example is found in the conversion of Paul...who art thou Lord? The Lord introduced Himself.
I wonder if this experience had something to do with the manner in which Paul witnessed in Athens in Acts 17 speaking of the unknown God...Him declare I unto you...

 

[Magenta]

You realize that can also be applied to the Bible itself? Are you not a Christian? Just because people can't even decide which one of tens of thousands of denominations are true, doesn't mean one of them isn't. If you know a Bible version free of contradictions, then please, enlighten us...

There are not tens of thousands of denominations.

 

[NTNT58]

I'm not demanding anything; I'm just stating the obvious. No one can say if the methods employed by the guy in the video are reliable and trustworthy unless controlled studies are done on them. If anything you're the one arguing from authority. Anyway, I'm done here; I learned a long time ago you can't reason with King James onlyists.

I'm not demanding anything; I'm just stating the obvious. No one can say if the methods employed by the guy in the video are reliable and trustworthy unless controlled studies are done on them. If anything you're the one arguing from authority. Anyway, I'm done here; I learned a long time ago you can't reason with King James onlyists.

That's a strawman argument, I've said many times I am NOT KJV only. What's true is you can't reason with people who use logical fallacies. I've explained to you how anyone can do a controlled study from their own computer. And what authority am I arguing from? You're not making any sense.

 

[NTNT58]

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Wow. That is so true. It gets deep if you want to go deep and never hit the bottom. And it's also easy to understand the overall message.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

David Daniels was not the first person who brought out material on this issue. I have read a number of books and am in touch with several current researchers on the topic including Steven Avery and Chris Pinto.

The controversy has only exploded since Codex Sinaiticus became available for scrutiny and the records corroborating Simonides incidental claims have been collated.

i understand and have followed this debate for some time now.
i am just mentioning that Erasmus did write the TR was not to be accepted as the Completed Translation.
he also wrote, many were pressuring him to finish and basically, they took his TR and turned it into a very incorrect Version of the Bible.

 

[Magenta]

Wow. That is so true. It gets deep if you want to go deep and never hit the bottom. And it's also easy to understand the overall message.

The overall message of Scripture is not that there are hidden coded messages within waiting to be discovered. The message of Scripture is not that if only people understood these coded messages, they would turn to God to receive forgiveness of sins and life ever after.

 

[NTNT58]

The answer to your question is found when God reveals Himself in the person of Christ. This is the point of Jesus explaining Peter's declaration of Jesus as the Christ...flesh and blood has not revealed this to you...
A good example is found in the conversion of Paul...who art thou Lord? The Lord introduced Himself.
I wonder if this experience had something to do with the manner in which Paul witnessed in Athens in Acts 17 speaking of the unknown God...Him declare I unto you...

Everything you described requires faith in the Bible. Some people have faith right away, others don't, they demand proof. If no proof is given, they continue in the world as an unregenerate, and sure, they get saved eventually, but they end up sinning and causing others to sin, while all of this could have been prevented.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

if you commonly use the Aramaic word, ALLAH, it simply means GOD. no specifics, just a term for God.

so, when the Muslims scream ALLAH, that is not a name for their god, but it simply means GOD.

if someone said, Praise Allah. they're really saying, Praise God!

 

[NTNT58]

There are not tens of thousands of denominations.

Many sources say there are, but hundreds or even dozens would STILL BE TOO MANY!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Jesus, in the Aramaic, uses ALLAH to say GOD around 300 times in the Gospel.