Israel Declares War
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I'm not sure that this is historically accurate. To say, in some sweeping manner, that the Arabs resented the influx of Jews into Palestine isn't necessarily fair. Those very large additions of immigrants came with a Zionist mindset, and it could be easily argued that they instigated many of the locals, in many different events. The Jews were indeed hostile.
Also, the Jews wanted, and took, more land than the UN Partition Plan had set... and they did that by terrorism against the Arabs.
Also, the Jews wanted, and took, more land than the UN Partition Plan had set... and they did that by terrorism against the Arabs.
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So you're saying that you're right that the CIA invented the word, or idea of conspiracy? Sorry, I don't have time to read back.
No, I wasn't trying to justify it, I believe it was just. And I would think the majority of Americans of a certain age would agree and understand why it was necessary and why it was justified.
I think you have a very naive image of Arabs in the area especially. History tells us there are no such people as Palestinians. It is politically made up to try and take the land from Israel. Israel sits on 1% of the land in the ME and the Arabs won't even let them have that to live in peace. The land historically and Biblically belong to Israel, the land that was promised to Abraham and his seed as an everlasting possession. Israel has given land for peace and that is all they have ever wanted.
Are you saying that civilian Germans were not part of the Holocaust?! I think you better take a long look into history. Germany suffered for what they did to the Jewish people and the same will happen to the Palestinians.
Please don't! There are people on the scene, reporters that have seen so much are crying and unable to describe what they are seeing. Last night a reporter was in one of the homes where the floor was full of blood. A childs room the blankets on the bed full of blood. Survivors are telling what happened. A teenager was saved by his parents bodies. Children and women have been kidnapped. This is the worst atrocity committed against Israel since the Holocaust. Please do not down play the massacre that these terrorist have committed against innocent civilians.
Chanting in the US right now as "protests" ramp up on streets now headed to colleges " From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free". Look at the map, what do they mean by that?! I will not say ever man to a T is guilty, but I would say many citizen men took part in this. And yes, they should be punished with their lives.
Biden doesn't blink without his handlers permission. He said so himself that he thought he'd be boss but isn't. I believe Netanyahu is there by God's permission at this time. I believe he cares about the Jewish people, I believe he wants peace and has done all he can do to that end. If Arabs tomorrow gave up their weapons and wanted peace, I believe Israel would accept it fully without question.
No, I wasn't trying to justify it, I believe it was just. And I would think the majority of Americans of a certain age would agree and understand why it was necessary and why it was justified.
I think you have a very naive image of Arabs in the area especially. History tells us there are no such people as Palestinians. It is politically made up to try and take the land from Israel. Israel sits on 1% of the land in the ME and the Arabs won't even let them have that to live in peace. The land historically and Biblically belong to Israel, the land that was promised to Abraham and his seed as an everlasting possession. Israel has given land for peace and that is all they have ever wanted.
Are you saying that civilian Germans were not part of the Holocaust?! I think you better take a long look into history. Germany suffered for what they did to the Jewish people and the same will happen to the Palestinians.
Please don't! There are people on the scene, reporters that have seen so much are crying and unable to describe what they are seeing. Last night a reporter was in one of the homes where the floor was full of blood. A childs room the blankets on the bed full of blood. Survivors are telling what happened. A teenager was saved by his parents bodies. Children and women have been kidnapped. This is the worst atrocity committed against Israel since the Holocaust. Please do not down play the massacre that these terrorist have committed against innocent civilians.
Chanting in the US right now as "protests" ramp up on streets now headed to colleges " From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free". Look at the map, what do they mean by that?! I will not say ever man to a T is guilty, but I would say many citizen men took part in this. And yes, they should be punished with their lives.
Biden doesn't blink without his handlers permission. He said so himself that he thought he'd be boss but isn't. I believe Netanyahu is there by God's permission at this time. I believe he cares about the Jewish people, I believe he wants peace and has done all he can do to that end. If Arabs tomorrow gave up their weapons and wanted peace, I believe Israel would accept it fully without question.
@ Everyone, Post #155 I answered another post with the following response
"Then again America should be punished for Hiroshima and every defense they have done since the country was formed."
I do not believe America should be punished, I was starting what the other person was hinting at. I believe America had no choice and I do not believe Hiroshima was wrong. I want to make that clear!
"Then again America should be punished for Hiroshima and every defense they have done since the country was formed."
I do not believe America should be punished, I was starting what the other person was hinting at. I believe America had no choice and I do not believe Hiroshima was wrong. I want to make that clear!
If I was preparing to invade Gaza with door to door combat
1. I would shut off the power, water, fuel and all supplies. It would be my hope that the soldiers would be thirsty and hungry, cold and sick and their ability to rapidly deploy would be limited. How long till these measures begin to bite I don't know, but I suspect Israel does have intelligence to know that.
2. I would be very vocal about bringing in the ground forces. I would want every Hamas soldier to be manning their post, at attention expecting at any time for the invasion.
3. I would mass at the border, bring in tanks and other equipment and every few hours have some new development so they keep primed for an imminent attack.
4. However, I would continue this for about three days. I would want the soldiers delirious from lack of sleep, lack of water, lack of food.
5. When I do enter I simply take one block on one side of Gaza forcing all their forces to run to that zone while I watch from overhead. I then take one block at the other side of Gaza, again watching from overhead as their forces rush to reenforce over there. I would target buildings they are shooting from and bring them down with smart missiles.
6. I would behave slowly and methodically so that all of Hamas learns that ten died, twenty died, 100 died, etc. However, I would keep the pressure up continuously, no opportunity to sleep, no opportunity to be resupplied, no opportunity for a break.
1. I would shut off the power, water, fuel and all supplies. It would be my hope that the soldiers would be thirsty and hungry, cold and sick and their ability to rapidly deploy would be limited. How long till these measures begin to bite I don't know, but I suspect Israel does have intelligence to know that.
2. I would be very vocal about bringing in the ground forces. I would want every Hamas soldier to be manning their post, at attention expecting at any time for the invasion.
3. I would mass at the border, bring in tanks and other equipment and every few hours have some new development so they keep primed for an imminent attack.
4. However, I would continue this for about three days. I would want the soldiers delirious from lack of sleep, lack of water, lack of food.
5. When I do enter I simply take one block on one side of Gaza forcing all their forces to run to that zone while I watch from overhead. I then take one block at the other side of Gaza, again watching from overhead as their forces rush to reenforce over there. I would target buildings they are shooting from and bring them down with smart missiles.
6. I would behave slowly and methodically so that all of Hamas learns that ten died, twenty died, 100 died, etc. However, I would keep the pressure up continuously, no opportunity to sleep, no opportunity to be resupplied, no opportunity for a break.
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You realize we murdered ~120,00-230,000 innocent Japanese civilians? Sure, we didn't behead babies, but we absolutely obliterated them... To many of the survivors of the initial blasts, they later died from radiation poisoning. So yes, I believe unnecessarily dropping two nuclear bombs and murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians was the wrong response.
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If "the other person" was referring to me (this post was a reply to my post) I was not hinting at that.
What I said was plain and clear, no need for any attempt to decipher dark meaning from it. I was saying that the golden rule that you are to do unto others as you would have them do to you applies to America just as it does to all other people on this planet. However, as a "Christian" nation Peter's word that "judgment must begin from the house of God" applies more so to the US and Israel than to all other nations.
What I said was plain and clear, no need for any attempt to decipher dark meaning from it. I was saying that the golden rule that you are to do unto others as you would have them do to you applies to America just as it does to all other people on this planet. However, as a "Christian" nation Peter's word that "judgment must begin from the house of God" applies more so to the US and Israel than to all other nations.
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Sorry, I don't buy it. Israel has given land for peace and they want peace. The Palestinians have refused land 5 times. Israel has never ever intentionally hit civilians, they have never made them the target. You know who has? Hamas! And they make sure civilians will be hit to make Israel look like the bad ones. Israel has never taken babies hostage. They have never raped women then murdered them beside their dead husbands. They have never dragged civilians out of their homes the crack of dawn and butchered them. Never happened! Israel sends down flyers, and today have tech where they can warn people to get out before they hit a building. They are even now warning civilians to leave with is a whole lot more than Israeli civilians got.
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The arabs didnt want to move when zionists came and took over, they were still living there and were actually used to living peacefully (for a few centuries, and generations) with the Jewish people already before zionism took hold. The zionists took it by force, and also used methods to force them out.
It is a bit complicated but neighbouring countries couldnt handle all the refugees though they try to take them, its hard for people to move out so you can move in. The zionists wanted to be in the majority and many new countries cannot handle mass migrations.
same kind of thing happened with India and Pakistan when their countries got partitioned, millions died after the stroke of a pen when someone in power who does not even live there and knew the area drew up the new partition.
am not saying whos right or wrong this is what happens when two different people want the same thing and cannot share.
It is a bit complicated but neighbouring countries couldnt handle all the refugees though they try to take them, its hard for people to move out so you can move in. The zionists wanted to be in the majority and many new countries cannot handle mass migrations.
same kind of thing happened with India and Pakistan when their countries got partitioned, millions died after the stroke of a pen when someone in power who does not even live there and knew the area drew up the new partition.
am not saying whos right or wrong this is what happens when two different people want the same thing and cannot share.
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I don't see any crime in defending yourself or your nation from attack. However, I would hope that if you are defending yourself from attack you would focus on the attacker and not the innocent bystanders. Did Japan attack us by surprise? Yes. Did they cut off diplomatic relations first? Technically, yes. Were they provoked by the US which was working to cut off their supply of oil? That is one argument that has been made and it is unfair to ignore that. Did they attack our military or innocent bystanders? They attacked our military which is what I would want another country to do if they felt they had to fight against us for their own national defense and you should understand that I say this with my own family home having been damaged by shrapnel in this attack.
Therefore I don't see it as a crime for the US to fight the Japanese army, that was self defense. But bombing two cities the way they did (and don't forget the Tokyo fires) that crossed a line that prior to this most militaries tried to not cross (the rape of Nanking obviously not being one of them). Even MacArthur said as much.
Therefore I don't see it as a crime for the US to fight the Japanese army, that was self defense. But bombing two cities the way they did (and don't forget the Tokyo fires) that crossed a line that prior to this most militaries tried to not cross (the rape of Nanking obviously not being one of them). Even MacArthur said as much.
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