There will be other ages after we get to heaven.

[Genipher]

I did not have any family to help me. My siblings did almost nothing. I don't know if a wife would have helped.

If anything, she would have been a shoulder to lean on. Been able to help with meals, etc. Take some stress off you. I know how stressed my friend was and that was with her dad helping. It takes a toll.

 

[Mem]

I have asked GOD for help for decades, each time I've been blocked.

God's logical conclusions are sound.

 

[Diakonos]

"1. You are using a less reliable commentary (from the pre- Dead Sea Scrolls era). ".....do you know what commentary I used?

So you know more than the commentaries? What commentary do you use?

Yes, I do know what commentary you used. You quoted Meyrer's New Testament Commentary, written by Heinrich Meyer in 1884.
As for me, I don't rely on commentaries because they are not authoritative. The Bible speaks for itself.
Jude said the angels sinned sexually just as Sodom and Gomorrah and they will burn for it. They were sinful; they were fallen. Their sin is not evidence to support sex in heaven.

 

[JohnB]

Yes, I do know what commentary you used. You quoted Meyrer's New Testament Commentary, written by Heinrich Meyer in 1884.
As for me, I don't rely on commentaries because they are not authoritative. The Bible speaks for itself.
Jude said the angels sinned sexually just as Sodom and Gomorrah and they will burn for it. They were sinful; they were fallen. Their sin is not evidence to support sex in heaven.

So you know Greek, and Hebrew? Many times verses are lost in contexts and translation.

 

[JohnB]

God's logical conclusions are sound.

Yet they can cause much pain. Look at Joseph and Job.

 

[JohnB]

If anything, she would have been a shoulder to lean on. Been able to help with meals, etc. Take some stress off you. I know how stressed my friend was and that was with her dad helping. It takes a toll.

I agree I really wish I had a wife to help out, but it appears GOD wanted me to do this on my own.

 

[Mem]

Yet they can cause much pain. Look at Joseph and Job.

Neither Joseph nor Job caused any significant other's pain.

 

[Diakonos]

So you know Greek, and Hebrew? Many times verses are lost in contexts and translation.

Yes, I can read Greek and Hebrew. Jude says the angelic sex was sinful. You need to rethink your belief about sex in heaven, my friend. It is a twisted belief. Sex was given by God for married couples.

 

[JohnB]

Yes, I can read Greek and Hebrew. Jude says the angelic sex was sinful. You need to rethink your belief about sex in heaven, my friend. It is a twisted belief. Sex was given by God for married couples.

And yet the angels in Genesis 6 took wives of any they chose. Jude does not say the sex was sinful.

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude 1:6

 

[JohnB]

Neither Joseph nor Job caused any significant other's pain.

GOD caused their pain.

 

[Diakonos]

And yet the angels in Genesis 6 took wives of any they chose. Jude does not say the sex was sinful.

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude 1:6

That's only part of the context. I showed you the full context in this post:

“The angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrha and the cities about them, in like manner giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, will suffer the vengeance of eternal fire.” ​

"Fornication" = "ekporneo" ἐκπορνεύω (Greek for "indulge in illicit sexual relations")


It was sinful

 

[Mem]

GOD caused their pain.

In which case, they were humble enough to repent, in any case.

 

[JohnB]

In which case, they were humble enough to repent, in any case.

There was nothing for Joseph or Job to repent from. GOD even praised Job for his righteousness.

 

[Mem]

There was nothing for Joseph or Job to repent from. GOD even praised Job for his righteousness.

Then what was job referring to when he said he said, "Therefore I...repent in sackcloth and ashes." ?

 

[JohnB]

That's only part of the context. I showed you the full context in this post:

“The angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrha and the cities about them, in like manner giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, will suffer the vengeance of eternal fire.” ​

"Fornication" = "ekporneo" ἐκπορνεύω (Greek for "indulge in illicit sexual relations")


It was sinful

You do see these angels were able to procreate. They may have been able to procreate in heaven. We know that angels can have sex. The angels were punished for not keeping their first estate.

 

[Diakonos]

You do see these angels were able to procreate. They may have been able to procreate in heaven. We know that angels can have sex. The angels were punished for not keeping their first estate.

Yes, they can have sex and procreate....and it's sinful.

Jude 6 simply says that these angels are imprisoned, but does not specify the reason they were punished.
However, the next verse in the passage says they will go to hell for the same reason as Sodom and Gomorrah: Fornication, illicit sexual activity, strange flesh, etc.

 

[JohnB]

Yes, they can have sex and procreate....and it's sinful.

Jude 6 simply says that these angels are imprisoned, but does not specify the reason they were punished.
However, the next verse in the passage says they will go to hell for the same reason as Sodom and Gomorrah: Fornication, illicit sexual activity, strange flesh, etc.

Where does it say angels cannot have sex in heaven or cannot procreate in heavev?

 

[JohnB]

Then what was job referring to when he said he said, "Therefore I...repent in sackcloth and ashes." ?

Even in Job’s case, when he had suffered without doing anything wrong, it was important for him to continue to live faithfully and humbly in God’s sight.

 

[Diakonos]

Where does it say angels cannot have sex in heaven or cannot procreate in heavev?

Ad Ignorantium

Your question does not negate Jude's condemnation of angelic sexual sin.

 

[JohnB]

Ad Ignorantium

Your question does not negate Jude's condemnation of angelic sexual sin.

So angels have sex parts, but it's a sin for them to use them?