Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

[Magenta]

There’s only one unpardonable sin.

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy
against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of
man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this world, neither in the world to come. - Matthew 12:31-32 (KJV)

Mark 3:28-29 / Matthew 12:31-32 / Luke 12:10

 

[JimmyTheLock]

But we need to be born again first, right?

Yes, after being born here on Club Earth.... all have fallen short of God's glory and have sinned so getting born again is the first step to enter in to a personal relationship with the Lord.

And, those that endure unto the end of their lives abiding IN Christ barring fruit... will actually be saved.

None of have been saved in the literal sense yet as none of us have left Club Earth and have been granted admittance in to the presence of the Lord.

Some folks go south when they die and sadly don't make it.

 

[rogerg]

Why don’t you study on your own? Your aim, it seems, is to prove me wrong, no matter what. You certainly aren’t grateful for any of the scriptures that have been shown to you. I’m wasting my time with you.

Did you notice, selahsays, that romans11333 likes to make sweeping biblical edicts and criticisms, yet he almost never ties them to specific chapter and verse so we all can see exactly what he's referring to? It's easy to win arguments by twisting the Bible into vague generalizations, and yet not allow others the opportunity to examine (his) assumptions in detail.

 

[brightfame52]

Being a sheep is a choice.

False statement. Yet its Gods choice Ps 100:3

3 Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.

Your false statement would mean, the Sheep made themselves !

 

[mailmandan]

There’s only one unpardonable sin.

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

- Matthew 12:31-32 (KJV)

The "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" is mentioned in Mark 3:22-30 and Matthew 12:22-32. This case of "the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" in Matthew 12:31 is a specific one. In Matthew 12:31-32, the Pharisees (who were not Christians), having witnessed irrefutable proof that Jesus was working miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit, claimed instead that the Lord was possessed by the demon "Beelzebub." (Matthew 12:24) Notice in Mark 3:30 that Jesus is very specific about what they did to commit "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit." They said, "He has an unclean spirit." These Pharisees were obviously not believers to commit this unpardonable sin. What is unpardonable for us today is the state of continued unbelief. (John 3:18)

 

[mailmandan]

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

- Romans 8:28-33 (KJV)

Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them. Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress it's certainty.

 

[mailmandan]

Ephesians 2:3 All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath.

Amen! Preach it sister! Psalm 58:3 - The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. Their very natures are corrupt even from their infancy.

 

[mailmandan]

Why don’t you study on your own? Your aim, it seems, is to prove me wrong, no matter what. You certainly aren’t grateful for any of the scriptures that have been shown to you. I’m wasting my time with you.

There are certain folks on Christian forum sites who (in craftly lawyer fashion) are out to win their case at all costs, whatever it takes, no matter how much trickery, deceit, rhetoric and propaganda that it takes. Some of these folks really seem to enjoy stirring up contention and even exhibit troll behavior. Sadly, such folks just don't have anything better to do with their time.

 

[shittim]

"There will always be more horses behinds than there are horses"
perhaps?

Like life itself with the adversary in it, soon he and minions will be chained.

 

[selahsays]

There are certain folks on Christian forum sites who (in craftly lawyer fashion) are out to win their case at all costs, whatever it takes, no matter how much trickery, deceit, rhetoric and propaganda that it takes. Some of these folks really seem to enjoy stirring up contention and even exhibit troll behavior. Sadly, such folks just don't have anything better to do with their time.

Thank you, brother. Yes, they turn away from the truth to their own destruction.

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge …

- Hosea 4:6 (KJV)

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Yes, after being born here on Club Earth.... all have fallen short of God's glory and have sinned so getting born again is the first step to enter in to a personal relationship with the Lord.

And, those that endure unto the end of their lives abiding IN Christ barring fruit... will actually be saved.

None of have been saved in the literal sense yet as none of us have left Club Earth and have been granted admittance in to the presence of the Lord.

Some folks go south when they die and sadly don't make it.

So when Jesus said those who are born again will never perish,. but has eternal Life he did nto mean it??

have you ever actually studied John 3?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

There are certain folks on Christian forum sites who (in craftly lawyer fashion) are out to win their case at all costs, whatever it takes, no matter how much trickery, deceit, rhetoric and propaganda that it takes. Some of these folks really seem to enjoy stirring up contention and even exhibit troll behavior. Sadly, such folks just don't have anything better to do with their time.

Modern day phariseeism at its best.

Just like the pharisees, These legalists would crucify Christ. Because Christ would reject them

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

No, God did not make all babies sinners... what happened was we were all born in to a world full of sin and darkness and we all began to sin at some point after having been born.

In Adam ALL DIE..

Sorry Bro.. You have some studying to do

YOU are welcome to claim God formed you in your mother's womb as a sinner, and it's God's fault you are still a sinner and you can't help but to sin everyday in thought word and deed (all the calvinist say this 'bout themselves cause they don't know the Lord) ... but leave me out of it and that's not what happened to me,

The God I serve is not the monster calvinists make Him out to be with their doctrines of demons.

Original sin is not a Calvinist doctrine.. its a bibluical doctrine.

We are born seperated from God.. and because of this, by practice. we are sinners.

OSAS is a doctrine of devils that can only believed when one adheres to a select few happy verses and rejects the whole counsel of God by ignoring His warnings and claim they don't count... as though God was lying or something which is calvinist eisegesis which is quite hilarious actually in a cartoonish kinda way.

I see, another one who hates calvin, Hey guess what? I hate his double fatalistic doctrine also.

But eternal security (what some call OSAS) is found in the word..

Dont reject Gods word because you have a certain doctrine. or group of people

h huh... and I turned to the Lord Jesus Christ by the leading and power of the Holy Ghost and I received His promises and instructions to turn away from MY sins... and He accepted me!

2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

If you truly accepted him, He not only gave you the promise you will never perish. But that you have eternal life. You have been given every spiritual blessing, You have been sealed by the spirit, and you have been given victory over sin

Howwever, i do not see yuo claim any of these promises.. So I question your faith

Now, the OSAS greasy grace changers will tell you that there's no need to come out from those in the world and there's not need to quit doing that which is unclean.

Well fortunately for the rest of us Grace believers. we do not teach this. nor condone it.

They claim such heresies as all of our future sins are already forgiven even before we commit them and the Lord cannot even see out sin at all so it';s all good... we are saved even if wee continue living in sin.

lol. All your sin was future when Christ died. if he did not die for your future sin. Your lost once you commit that sin with no hope of atonment.

Without the shedding of blood. there is no forgiveness.

Jesus either died for all of your sin, Or you are lost.

 

[brightfame52]

For them who advocate the false teaching that a true believer may apostatize from Christ do but show they know nothing about Salvation. The True believer isnt that person born of the flesh, but that which is born of God, the incorruptible seed as Per 1 Pet 1:23

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

The word incorruptible is aphthartos :

1. uncorrupted, not liable to corruption or decay, imperishable
   1. of things
2. immortal
   1. of the risen dead

So quite frankly this born again one can never perish,

So he cannot never apostatize, for he is Christs seed, not adams !

 

[brightfame52]

Thank you, brother. Yes, they turn away from the truth to their own destruction.

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge …

- Hosea 4:6 (KJV)

Thats not talking about saved people, born again people. That refers to people in the nation of israel, most of that nation were unregenerate, they were Gods People merely by a Physical National Covenant, did you know that ?

 

[mailmandan]

Modern day phariseeism at its best.

Just like the pharisees, These legalists would crucify Christ. Because Christ would reject them

Modern day Pharisaism, legalism, self-promotion, self-righteousness and spiritual narcissism are a cancer to Christianity.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Modern day Pharisaism, legalism, self-promotion, self-righteousness and spiritual narcissism are a cancer to Christianity.

And the calvin debate just pulls people away from God.. It keeps them from the truth.. I believe both sides are a cancer

 

[brightfame52]

Now he that is born of God cannot sin, meaning he cannot commit the sin of falling away, because he or she is born of God, and is Christs Spiritual Seed. 1 Jn 3:9

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 Jn 5:18

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

 

[Jimbone]

1. Well, the Galatians were deserting God through unbelief, as is warned in Heb 3, so I can't be unbelieving about whether people can fall away.
2. No creation has the power to separate us from God, yet we ourselves are warned "remain in Him" by continuing to keep the command "believe in the Name of God's Son and love one another".
Those who do not "abide", by breaking the command, will be "draw back in shame at His appearance" (1 Jn 2:28), as it warns "watch that you may keep your garment lest you walk naked and the same of your nakedness appear" (Rv 16:15)--the Laodiceans being an example of this (Rv 3)--making it clear it's not an empty threat or toothless abstraction that a believer may fail to abide (by failing to keep the command, which constitutes sin), and, so, wind up naked, ashamed, which is a feature of the damned (Dn 12:2).

I disagree with every point you made. You believe that because you believe you stay saved by YOUR power, I disagree completely. Jesus gets ALL glory for my salvation and I get NONE. This is where we are at an impasse, you believe it's up to YOU to keep salvation, I trust in Jesus power to keep mine, that's the difference. You deny Gods power in order to booster your own ego honestly. I'm sure it doesn't feel like that to you, it didn't to me when I thought this way, but when you break it down in all honesty, that's your position here, and why I cannot agree anymore.

BTW when you "add" but that doesn't mean I can't choose to fall away", that's exactly what it is, adding to scripture. His word doesn't add that qualifier.

 

[Jimbone]

Now he that is born of God cannot sin, meaning he cannot commit the sin of falling away, because he or she is born of God, and is Christs Spiritual Seed. 1 Jn 3:9

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 Jn 5:18

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Absolutely, and not because of ANYTHING "WE" do, ALL by His power, therefore He gets ALL glory. That sure seems to fit all the scripture in harmony to my mind.