Transgender pain

[beaglehound]

- He accepted and fellowshipped with all who repented: that is why he ate with people who HAD BEEN prostitutes, and he did not eat with the pharisees.

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Actually he did. He ate in the home of a Pharisee named Simon. Read Luke 7:36

 

[maxwel]

Actually he did. He ate in the home of a Pharisee named Simon. Read Luke 7:36

True. But that was an unusual case, and we find that pharisee willing to listen and be taught by Christ.

A willingness to listen to the pure words of Christ, and be taught by them, was not a quality possessed by most of the religious leaders of the time. Christ even corrected one of this man's erroneous views, and the man sat humbly and took the teaching.

At any rate, that's a interesting passage, and it's great you pointed it out.


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[beaglehound]

True. But that was an unusual case, and we find that pharisee willing to listen and be taught by Christ.

A willingness to listen to the pure words of Christ, and be taught by them, was not a quality possessed by most of the religious leaders of the time. Christ even corrected one of this man's erroneous views, and the man sat humbly and took the teaching.

At any rate, that's a interesting passage, and it's great you pointed it out.


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You welcome my man 😹

 

[Blain]

You will not find any biblical basis for this. It is simply your emotions, and some might even be misled by what you have said.

When both John the Baptist and Christ began their public ministries, the first word out our their mouths was "REPENT!" But when he [John] saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. (Mt 3:7-9) That was exposing the truth that those hearing them were sinners committing sins, therefore they needed to repent. So before life and comfort comes the call from God to repent.

What would "Bring forth fruits meet for [demonstrating] repentance" be for the transgender? For the transgender it would mean ABANDONING THEIR SEXUAL PERVERSION (the "T" in LGBTQ). So Blain, you had better support your positions with actual Scripture.

The biblical truth is found in Jesus himself. he is the truth the way and the life no one can come to the father except through him he is the door the gate the key.
Look how he treated people he saw something even in the worst of sinners he looked past their flaw their sins their weakness and didn't downgrade them he didn't focus on their sins his love serenity and peaceful nature was able to turn the worst of sinners into the most devoted followers.

What good does scripture do if we do not take on the heart of the master? everyone is so focus on scripture on being doctrinal yet with the eyes and heart of God this does nothing you can study all you want you can have years of experience and a vast knolewdge of the scriptures but if that is all it is then you only have knowledge the word of God is alive and breathing those who treasure it are given the eyes and heart of God it is not simply information or ink on paper it iaffects you it changes you.

I defend such people not because I agree with their life style but because I see with different eyes I look past their sins their flaws evcerything wrong with them I see something worth fighting for I see a soul needing his love and his grace his spirit itself and I will give it to them if I am able.

My mission my purpose is not to be doctrinally correct I don't study the word of god to gain knowledge I do all of this because that is why he went as far as he did in his death.

Love that is the reason why the motive and what made him as strong as he is and only love can see past all the fleshly bull crap scripture doctrine our own understanding and view that we use to discect trample and misuse the word of God he looked at the heart he saw what people could be.

If you are so scripturally inclined then why didn't you see the pain and the hurting in this person? Why did no one bother to mreach out and guide and help encourage and bring them to his holy palace?


You see scripture as words doctrrine something to study and gain knowledge but you failed to see the need of the person in question so do you really understand the scriptures?

 

[Blain]

I believe in compassion, I certainly do.Brother have given or been part of thousands of altar calls. One thing I know, when a person truly grasps hold of the Word, they repent of their sins. I've seen it time and time again. The true Gospel always shows us where we are wrong, where we need to repent and change our path.

I have told about a young man in one service who was living a homosexual lifestyle and didn't realize or didn't want to admit he was in sin. But that morning he came to the altar and gave his heart to the Lord. Just preaching the simple Gospel pricked his heart. People had prayed for this young man and there was much celebration that morning when he came to the altar. The Holy Spirit will let us know when we are out of step and need to repent.



Yes brother, but then He said, "Go thy way and sin no more!" Jesus never ever left people in their sin unless they made the choice to stay there.




There are two reactions people have when they are introduced to Jesus. One is to grab hold like a lifeline and repent of sin, the other is to continue to run away because they don't want to change.
My father always tells the story of a Christian friend who asked him to church one night. He said that it seemed as if the preacher knew his life and he was convicted. They gave the altar call and my father gives his testimony " I stood up and headed for the door. But my friend who invited me stood in my path and said "brother, you're going the wrong way" he turned and hit the altar and became saved that night. My father went into evangelism and he has never changed or wavered from his commitment that night in at a little church altar. Because when we truly meet Jesus we change, we repent and we strive to become who He wants us to be. The OP has not gotten to that place, they have not truly had an encounter with Christ. The best we can do is pray that one day they will have that encounter and be born again.

I was very happy to see you respond I have always loved your spirit and heart. My point is that yes the truth may show weakness and sin where we need repentance and change but more than that it sees the person as he created them he takes pride in their birth everyone is so fixated on scripture and doctrine and being correct in their understanding and beleifs but this blinds them to the reason and purpose of the gospel and scripture it gives redemption it gives life to your being it speaks so much on how far one can go down the wrong path yet some of the worst sinners became the most who knew God.

Had I not gotten a hold of them when I did as I cannot express the deatials as it is not my place without their permission they would have taken their own lives.

Anyone can calim to have the truth they can speak of scripture all they want but I was the only one who saw their heart and reached out just in time I didn't save their lives because I was special or anything I saved their lives because I saw their heart I felt their pain and suffering because instead of focusing on scripture or doctrine I am tuned into the spirit I seek the deeper depths the heart what they can be not what they are.

And for this person in particluar I will give my own life if it meant they can be in his arms.

Once your in his arms you are home you don't just know and feel his love who he is what he says and sees in you it is embedded into your soul just a minute in his arms and you understand everything.

The truth begins with those who need it not with our understanding or doctrine or the scripture we claim to know these people are the ones who he sent us out to help and the true test of if your doctrine or where you stand with God.

 

[beaglehound]

You see scripture as words doctrine something to study and gain knowledge but you failed to see the need of the person in question so do you really understand the scriptures?

You are saying the members on this site failed to see the "need" of the person in question. That individual I take it is Greyfray. You used " need," in the singular. What in your opinion was the need that was not recognized?

 

[Blain]

You are saying the members on this site failed to see the "need" of the person in question. That individual I take it is Greyfray. You used " need," in the singular. What in your opinion was the need that was not recognized?

Opinion? I don't act or speak based on my opion or personal understanding I am just a vessel empty clear for his to use and speak whop cares about opinion or or our own understanding he is the only one who truly sees who truly knows so I give him myself in every sense of the word and in turn I was given sight to the need and heart of the broken.

Yes it wasn't recieved you are right but that is on you
Don't claim to know the truth when you cannot see what is needed for the soul this person was suicidial they were only being damaged having to defend themselves what good is the so called truth if that is all it does?

I will die for this person can you honestly say the same thing? if not you do not posses the truth because love is the key screw scripture as we as see it doctrine your standing love reveals everything you see what others cannot it makes you act not speak words without action is just noise

Tell me had I not intervened would you be ok knowing their blood is on your hands because you failed to see the need in them? who are you as a Christian? what good do you do with all the scripture and knowledge you have gained? do you just have information or does it actually change you and make you take on his eyes his heart his love?

Believe me he goes way beyond what you know the depths of his heart is an endless ocean that as you sink deeper and deeper you fall more and more in love with him only those who seek his heart will understand scripture

So this person who needed help is not only a soul that needs the life and understanding and live of Christ but they are also the one who God is using to show you where you are wrong.

And what is so bad about being wrong? why do people avoid it so much? you only grwo and learn from being wrong only in understanding you know nothing can he give you what is real you pray to him right? but do you speak to him physically? do you enjoy living with him physically? can you say that his presence not just fills your room but is powerful amazing beautiful?

I can

 

[Blain]

You are saying the members on this site failed to see the "need" of the person in question. That individual I take it is Greyfray. You used " need," in the singular. What in your opinion was the need that was not recognized?

the need was understanding grace and love it is one thing to show where they are lacking but the spirit of God soen't stop there it fights for them it sees them as they arethey eys of god do no not the sin or the flaws or weakness he sees them as he created him them he sees who they can be not what are the are now.

That is why i defend such peoplke as I do i may be wrong and maybe my passion goes to far but the anger and protection I feel for such people has to come from somehwere
My eyes do not see with that I believe is truth whatever truth is he will show me I see the heart the person as they are and if that unscriptuaral to or anyone else you don't know the truth.

I have seen all the scriptures all the so called proff of doctrine and I have yet to see the power of the truth as everone just counters with scriptures.

You can be doctrinal correct you can see yourself as scripturalaly sound you can take your own understanding and belief of god but it never mattered I have seen so many on here who believe their scriptural knowledge their doctrines their undrerstanding of what the truth is yet all it does it couse conflict this is not the truth.

You all saw this person but only saw their sin their flaws you presented the so called truth but failed to see their heart failed to see what was needed.

If you think so highly of the scriptures why does it not change you? I saw what you could not not because I am better or more special but because the heart of God more than anything to be given in heaven is what my reolve is I want to know know him I desire a bond with him that cannot be achieved even with all in heaven or throughout history it is the most massive thing you can ask for if you truly treasure his heart if you know he goes so much more than wre caqn even begin to imagine that is why I see not because of myself but because I sought after his heart.

I tell you this not to be disrespectful not not boast not to say i am anything special but because I have seen and lived in the deeper depths of God he has appeared physically to me his presence has filled my room as a golden mist you are home you understand him far beyond the compressent of the mind the spirit knows him it see somethin the flesh cannot I even purposely missed a vital doctor appaointment for my eys I became even more blinds but when you are in his presence when you are home when he you know him truly in this way your flaws weaknesses your sins or even your physical issues are like dust compared to him


if you won;t take what I say cpncerning docrtine or how we see others the entire issue with this thread at least consider what I have said of him would you believe me if I told you if you invite him to live with you he would? not just in spirit he would appear to yuou physically I have had a picknit with him the father and the holy spirt we shared wine holy bread and a piece of wedding cake

You sperak to him in a distance I live with him, sure I am not always right but I defy the norm of Christianity because frankly the norm of Christianity is not God it is religionis based on your knowledge of critpure not of God there is adifference

I saw thisd person and reached ouyt to help whether I was rihgt or wrong my body just moved that shows what is in my heart but you who only speak of scripture as proof fail to understand what scripture is actually meant for.I know the scriptures but my instinct and my actions showed what the scriptures mean to me

I am sick of people using the scriptures only as an effort to prove or disprove others it is never used to help or heal or give life to others it s only a tool for debates that is iool to battle.

You cannot imagine the attacks and mockery I have recieved for my travel for the truth of all truths how many times I have been beaten and defeated by the attack of others yet I still say what I do I know the cost I know I seem foolish and unblicallal but I found the real thing not just reading about it I live in it which is so much better to know him personally to be able to actually hug him that LONE IS HEAVEN

sO DON'T TAKE MY WORDS ACCORDING TO HOW YOU FEEL OR SEE ME BUT THINK OF ALL i HAVE Sid of him does this seem normal to you?

 

[JimmyTheLock]

I was born with all manner of sinful desires

Really???

God created you to be a sinner... and God put sinful desires in you when He formed you in the womb?

 

[JimmyTheLock]

I am sick of people using the scriptures only as an effort to prove or disprove others it is never used to help or heal or give life

Unless one's turns away from their sin, confesses it to the Lord as sin, and asks Jesus to forgive them for their sin.... they ain't gonna be no help, healing, or life for the person that is living in sin.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I am sick of people using the scriptures only as an effort to prove or disprove others

I'm sure you are.

it is never used to help or heal or give life to others it s only a tool for debates that is iool to battle.

I agree scripture is used as a bludgeon a lot; however, it's also used as a tool for healing. You just seem to overlook what you want to overlook in your quest to push your agenda.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Your words are refreshing! Can I tell you that my trust in God is impacted because I have to trust the same one that allowed me to be born like this? Since 5! My relationship with God is so hard so much love hate going on, but my earthly relationship with God is ruined because of this unbearable affliction, please understand that I hate God because ever since my chest came in I've felt nothing but horror. Please take the genuineness of my puzzle to heart and pray for me because I'm 6 years of nothing but torture from being called girl and all the pain my body can bring, doing my absolute best to even stomach praising God. I have an lgbt church I have a home in and I can't go because praise turns to ash in my mouth! Pray for me

God makes no mistakes. He created you as female, if he wanted you to be a male He would've created you as a male. It's my belief that one cannot be trans and also be a Christian. The bible says homosexuality is an abomination, so any variation of that (gay, lesbian, lgbt) are also abominations.

It's also impossible to love AND hate God. Either you love Him, OR you hate him.

Chromosomes don't lie. It is physically impossible to switch one's genuine gender. A person may have body parts cut off, fashioned into something else, and start taking the opposite gender's hormones and steroids. That doesn't mean they're the opposite gender now. It simply means they are deformed, defective and mutilated.

If your relationship with God is "impacted", it's because you're knowingly going against who He created you to be: a female. And the fact that you have so much pain with just moving your chest, shows that you KNOW becoming a transgender is and would be wrong..

 

[Greyfray]

God makes no mistakes. He created you as female, if he wanted you to be a male He would've created you as a male. It's my belief that one cannot be trans and also be a Christian. The bible says homosexuality is an abomination, so any variation of that (gay, lesbian, lgbt) are also abominations.

It's also impossible to love AND hate God. Either you love Him, OR you hate him.

Chromosomes don't lie. It is physically impossible to switch one's genuine gender. A person may have body parts cut off, fashioned into something else, and start taking the opposite gender's hormones and steroids. That doesn't mean they're the opposite gender now. It simply means they are deformed, defective and mutilated.

If your relationship with God is "impacted", it's because you're knowingly going against who He created you to be: a female. And the fact that you have so much pain with just moving your chest, shows that you KNOW becoming a transgender is and would be wrong..

"And the fact that you have so much pain with just moving your chest, shows that you KNOW becoming a transgender is and would be wrong.."

I can't get out of this font now. Can you please explain how you concluded that?

And may you never know what types, the range of things one can be made to feel, towards God.

 

[PennEd]

Really???

God created you to be a sinner... and God put sinful desires in you when He formed you in the womb?

Tell me. Do you have to teach a toddler to disobey, or sin?

Did God create them to disobey, hit, steal, etc…?

Or are we born of a fallen race, inherently predisposed to sin?

Not at all saying this disposition absolves us of the sin we commit, only that God made a way for us to overcome that desire to sin, through His Son.

 

[seekingthemindofChrist]

Tell me had I not intervened would you be ok knowing their blood is on your hands because you failed to see the need in them?

Excuse my plainness of speech, but what a stinking, steamy, and fly-ridden pile of !

It is when we fail to warn people of coming judgment that we are truly guilty of their blood.

Eze 3:18
When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Eze 3:20
Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Eze 33:6
But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

Eze 33:8
When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Act 20:26
Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.

Act 20:27
For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

Some people are so wickedly set against God in their hearts that they would rather kill themselves than obey the God who created them for his own purposes, and it is our God-given responsibility to warn them.

 

[blue_ladybug]

"And the fact that you have so much pain with just moving your chest, shows that you KNOW becoming a transgender is and would be wrong.."

I can't get out of this font now. Can you please explain how you concluded that?

And may you never know what types, the range of things one can be made to feel, towards God.

Your emotional pain comes from thinking God created you wrong. He didn't. For whatever reason He wants you to be a woman. Any emotional pain you're in from just hearing ppl call you "she" or "her" is your misguided thought process telling you that you SHOULD actually be a man. That's the devil working on you. We're in the last days and he's gathering as many souls as he can right now. Don't let yours be one of them.

As a Christian, you should KNOW that switching your gender would not only be an abomination, it would also be going against God's will for you. You know it's wrong and that's another reason why you have so much emotional pain.

It's scary to think you'd rather be separated from God and burn in the lake of fire, rather than live as what you truly are: A WOMAN. If you continue on this path, you WILL be separated from Him and then you'll be in eternal torment forever. Which is better? To live on earth as a woman and know you're saved, or defy God and "become" a guy and burn in eternal torment forever??

Lastly, I have felt a range of things towards God throughout my life. Anger, sarcasm, disappointment, but NEVER hatred. If you truly love Him, then stop imposing your will, and accept His. Or, if you hate Him, then keep on the path you're on and accept the fiery consequences.

 

[Blain]

Excuse my plainness of speech, but what a stinking, steamy, and fly-ridden pile of !

It is when we fail to warn people of coming judgment that we are truly guilty of their blood.

Eze 3:18
When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Eze 3:20
Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Eze 33:6
But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

Eze 33:8
When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Act 20:26
Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.

Act 20:27
For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

Some people are so wickedly set against God in their hearts that they would rather kill themselves than obey the God who created them for his own purposes, and it is our God-given responsibility to warn them.

I never said we shouldn't present the truth but it is how it is presented that matters.
Instead of pilling truth to show their sin or how it is wrong who would accept the truth with a sharp blade?

A lot of times you don't speak the truth you show it in how you act how you speak to them just being an ear for them to speak to about anything without judgement. in time they might see something different in you how you don't attack with scripture how while yes you do tell them it is a sin you help them work through it you can't give the truth in the same way for everyone

Jesus only used the scripture again the devil and the pharisees every other person he saved was with love compassion understanding so you can ponder about that

 

[seekingthemindofChrist]

Instead of pilling truth to show their sin or how it is wrong who would accept the truth with a sharp blade?

Who would accept the truth with a sharp blade?

Any Christian because a sharp two-edged sword proceeds out of Jesus Christ's mouth.

Revelation 1:16

"And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two-edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength."

In fact, God the Father is the one who made Jesus' mouth like a sharp sword; even as was prophetically foretold through the prophet Isaiah.

Isaiah 49:1-6

"Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified. Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God. And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength. And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth."

God has graciously provided us with this sharp two-edged sword because all things are naked and open unto the eyes of him (Jesus) with whom we have to do.

Hebrews 4:11-13

"Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do."

The key word here is "for" or "because". In other words, if we do not want either ourselves or others to fail from entering into God's promised rest, then we need to let the sharp two-edged sword of God's word do an internal work upon our souls and spirits or hearts because we will all give an account for our lives before the judgment seat of Christ one day.

Dulling this "sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God" (Ephesians 6:17) benefits no one but Satan, and it causes us to have to work even harder.

Ecclesiastes 10:10

"If the iron be blunt, and he do not whet the edge, then must he put to more strength: but wisdom is profitable to direct."

This woman has been shown plenty of compassion, and she has also been given much godly counsel which she continues to reject.

The fault lies with her, and not with those of us who have compassionately sought to help her.

This is reality.

 

[ResidentAlien]

"To everything there is a season, a time for every purpose under heaven:" Ecclesiates 3:1

"And on some have compassion, making a distinction; but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh." Jude 1:22-23

There is no one size fits all approach.

 

[Blain]

Who would accept the truth with a sharp blade?

Any Christian because a sharp two-edged sword proceeds out of Jesus Christ's mouth.

Revelation 1:16

"And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two-edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength."

In fact, God the Father is the one who made Jesus' mouth like a sharp sword; even as was prophetically foretold through the prophet Isaiah.

Isaiah 49:1-6

"Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified. Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God. And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength. And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth."

God has graciously provided us with this sharp two-edged sword because all things are naked and open unto the eyes of him (Jesus) with whom we have to do.

Hebrews 4:11-13

"Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do."

The key word here is "for" or "because". In other words, if we do not want either ourselves or others to fail from entering into God's promised rest, then we need to let the sharp two-edged sword of God's word do an internal work upon our souls and spirits or hearts because we will all give an account for our lives before the judgment seat of Christ one day.

Dulling this "sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God" (Ephesians 6:17) benefits no one but Satan, and it causes us to have to work even harder.

Ecclesiastes 10:10

"If the iron be blunt, and he do not whet the edge, then must he put to more strength: but wisdom is profitable to direct."

This woman has been shown plenty of compassion, and she has also been given much godly counsel which she continues to reject.

The fault lies with her, and not with those of us who have compassionately sought to help her.

This is reality.

The reality is that they were suicidal I fear what would have happened had I not reached out personally. in your own words you have shown plenty of truth yet it has no effect why is that? the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over expecting different results

If you want to show them the truth then go the extra mile and reach out them let them have someone they can speak to someone who will show the truth by their actions and words.
I have personal experience with these types of people and every one them were shocked I was a Christian because every church or Christian only did exactly what your doing in the name of truth but your only damaging them making them steer further and further from accepting God

I just treated them with compassion I listened to their lives stories I used empathy and that is what made them so schocked they aren't used to that.
I follow Jesus and his example how he did things not your way of so called truth.

The fruits of the spirit out of all of them do you see anything about being a sharp blade? You can post all the scripture you want even the devil speaks the scriptures but the heart that is not healed given life and truth is not because the scriptures are just words we can casually use in how we see fit the power behind the scriptures given is on the one who gives it the spirit flows through such people and as such the scriptures come alive they break through stubborn walls when others who used it couldn't.

I know all to well how many are stuck in their own ways I was too I would be debating using scripture with no regard I cionfused attacking with giving the truth but if you want to know the best way to give the truth and actually save them look to Jesus copy him he is the way the truth and the life so who better to copy

Again pay attention to how he went about with sinners that is your answer