God's warnings in Jude 1:5,6 stands, your opposing opinion does not.
God's warnings throughout the book of Jude stands for unbelievers. Jude is
exhorting believers to
contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints (vs. 3) because certain
ungodly men have
crept in unnoticed. Jude further describes these
ungodly men as ones who
cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit. (vs. 19)
In
CONTRAST with those who are
called, sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED in Jesus Christ. (vs. 1) Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice and
does not forsake His saints; They are
PRESERVED FOREVER, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.
They would have been destroyed or rejected long before coming out of Egypt if they were never believers in the first place as you suppose.
Later destroyed those who
did not believe. They were not all believers. Period.
These verses speak of those that turned away and QUIT believing:
False. Show me which translation in Jude 1:5 "adds" the word "QUIT" to the text. That is your
eisegesis.
Those that Turned Away from the Lord
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
"Nominal" Christians/makes believers turn away from the truth unto fables because they never fully embraced the truth. This is what happens when faith is never firmly rooted and established from the start.
Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
*By addressing this to “brethren” we know this is speaking to believers who turned from the truth and if they are converted back to the truth, the soul of the person that had fallen away is being saved from spiritual death which is separation from God.
Notice - Brethren, if anyone
"among" you wanders from the truth turns a "sinner" from the error of his way.. Some would argue that James says this one who turned from the truth was a "sinner," and was "among" but "not of" the Brethren, then he wasn’t previously saved. That fits 1 John 2:19 - They went out
"from" us, but they were
"not of" us..
IF this person was a genuine believer, how do we know for sure this is the second death in the lake of fire? In Matthew 26:38, Jesus said: "My
soul [psuche] is deeply grieved, to the point of
death." Jesus was not saying that His soul was deeply grieved to the point of spiritual death, Rather, Jesus was talking about physical death, his
human life. In Revelation 16:3, "The second angel poured out his bowl into the sea, and it became blood like that of a dead man; and every living
soul [psuche] in the sea died". In 1 Peter 3:20 "... God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons,
[psuche-souls] were brought safely
(saved from drowning, physical death) through the water" by the ark (Hebrews 11:7). "Soul" is rendered from the Greek word "psuche" and is also translated as "life". The word "psuche" is never translated as "spirit."
Jesus covered our sins in one way (Romans 4:7) by bringing forgiveness for all believers, yet sins can also be covered in a different way. In Proverbs 10:12, we read: Hatred stirs up strife, But
love covers all sins. In 1 Peter 4:8, we read: And above all things have fervent love for one another, for
"love will cover a multitude of sins." Where there is strife, there is hatred and unless love prevails, the strife will get worse. Love covers offenses and sins when a believer turns back from error. So is this wanderer a professing Christian, whose faith is not genuine, or a sinning Christian, who needs to be restored? For the former, the death spoken of in vs. 20 is the "second death" (Revelation 21:8); for the latter, it is physical death. (1 Corinthians 11:29-32; 1 John 5:16)
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.
The many who follow the pernicious ways of these false teachers and false prophets are not born again. In contrast with Christ's sheep who hear Christ's voice and follow Him, shall never perish or be snatched from His hand. (John 10:27-28) Matthew 7:22-23 also mentions many who Christ never knew.
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (no self control, living after the flesh), and denying (contradicting, opposing Jesus’ teachings) the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (referring to false teachers and false brethren - see Matthew 13:24-30)
In Jude 1:4, they are described as
certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are
godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. In verse 12, they are described as spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, uprooted. Also void of the Spirit. *This is not descriptive of Christians/genuine believers, so there is no loss of salvation here.
(Deny = Strong's G0720… to contradict, disavow, reject, deny, refuse - and Strong's G4483… the idea of pouring forth, to utter, speak of or say, command)
Denying, contradicting, opposing Jesus' teachings is descriptive of false teachers/make believers.
Remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These are those who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
But you, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Pay attention to having not the Spirit/void of the Spirit. These are godless men in contrast with but you, beloved.. those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED in Jesus Christ.
("those who separate themselves" is not referring to sinners in the world who were never joined unto the Lord in the first place)
Again, we have
ungodly men have
crept in unnoticed and are further described as
ungodly men who
cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit IN CONTRAST with
those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED in Jesus Christ.
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