Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

[Magenta]

John 10:27-29
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

John 10:27-28

 

[Magenta]

John 6:37
37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

John 10:28
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

John 6:37

John 6:37 plus John 10:28

 

[Magenta]

John 3:16
16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 3:16

 

[Magenta]

1 John 5:13
13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:11-13 + John 6:47

 

[Magenta]

Romans 8:38-39
38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor
height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 8:38-39 Psalm 91:11

 

[Magenta]

Philippians 1:6
6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.

Philippians 1:6

 

[Magenta]

1 John 5:10-13
10 Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has
made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son.

1 John 5:10

 

[Cameron143]

Galatians 3:1-3 says they were saved.

Why do you believe they are necessarily saved? And if saved, why do you believe they have fallen away? Can one believe truth and not be saved? Can one fall back into previous ways of doing things and not later be corrected? Is every disobedience a falling away?

 

[Magenta]

Hebrews 13:5
5 Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”

Hebrews 13:5b - 6a

 

[Cameron143]

1 John 5:11-13 + John 6:47

She looks a little like a cross between Barbie and Vanna White.

 

[Magenta]

1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have
continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.

1 John 2:19

 

[Magenta]

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own
doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast

Ephesians 2:8-9

 

[Magenta]

She looks a little like a cross between Barbie and Vanna White.

Barbie face, Vanna body/dress? .

I'd like to buy a vowel, Pat...

 

[turbosixx]

The leader of the churches He criticized was not Christ. Had He been, then the severity of the warnings He gave wouldn't have been necessary. While not good in any event, it's one thing to sin temporal earthly sin but quite another to commit spiritual sin.

Regarding the lampstand, I never said that He did (or does) immediately pull it, did I? My point was that He gave warning
to the true Christians within those congregation He criticized, that if left on their current spiritual path, which path was in not having Christ as Saviour as (their) foundation, that He would pull it. In effect, and as an example to us, this is what He did to OT/NT Israel and the Jewish religion after giving them repeated warnings.

[Mat 23:37-38 KJV]
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

I dunno, is your ultimate point that, in and of itself, Christ's offering was insufficient to remit all sin - past, present, future -
for those whom He has saved, or am I missing something? If someone is saved, they were made so, and remain so, by what Christ alone did, not by what they may do or not do. That being the case, Christ's spotless garment is given to them, and by Him, it cannot be soiled nor taken away. If it could, then they either they weren't saved to begin with, or Christ isn't the Saviour. But Christ is Saviour, man is not. It, being a completely free gift from Him to them solely through Jesus Christ and God's exceedingly great mercy, grace and kindness, man therefore is only a recipient of salvation.
I'm kinda slow so why do you say again what your bottom-line point is, rather than of me trying to reverse engineer into it point by point - which I probably won't be able to correctly do? The points you make above must have a common single unifying theory behind them from/by which they come. If you have already done so, and as I've said, I'm kinda slow, so sorry, I must have missed it.

I'm sure you're not slow. It's hard to convey what we're thinking, put it into words and then someone read them and know exactly what was intended. I don't know how many times I've posted something and what they said I said was not what I meant to say.

Now before you proceed, I want to state we are not saved BY our works. There are no amount of works a man can do to earn his salvation. We are saved by the grace of God and it is a gift. I suggest to you those who receive the gift are those whose faith is made complete by their works. For example Noah, God warned him of pending destruction and gave him a way of salvation. Noah believed God and built the ark saving himself and his family. The bible tells us, faith without works is dead. And this You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone

Jesus's sacrifice is totally sufficient to forgive sins, past, present and future. My point is becoming a Christian does not mean we can't give up our salvation by turning away from God. I disagree with you and probably the root of it is what you say here. and remain so, by what Christ alone did, not by what they may do or not do

Not by what they may do or not do. I would say that is false. Jesus gives us a preview of the judgement scene in Matthew 25. Based on the context and what Jesus says, what determined their eternal fate? What Christ did alone or what they did or did not due?

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

 

[Cameron143]

Barbie face, Vanna body/dress? .

I'd like to buy a vowel, Pat...

Those things, but also the hands by her sides. Also, I'm out of vowels. I'm thinking about starting a vowel movement.

 

[romans113336]

Why do you believe they are necessarily saved? And if saved, why do you believe they have fallen away? Can one believe truth and not be saved? Can one fall back into previous ways of doing things and not later be corrected? Is every disobedience a falling away?

1. Paul says they believed and received the Spirit in Galatians 3:1-3.
2. No, the "idolatry" for the Galatians was believing a "doctrine of demons" that "you become perfected/mature by the works of the Law"--Paul says "the idols the nations worship are demons", so, 1 John 2:28 warns the spiritual babies "remain in Him", and 1 Jn 5:21 explains that "idolatry" is drawing them away from abiding. They weren't continuing to keep the command "believe in the Name of the Son", but were breaking that, so weren't abiding in Christ ("cut off from Christ" (Gal 5:4)), and were "deserting God" (Gal 1:6).
The issue, then, is that, without that Grace, you can't keep the second command, either, to love one another as He has loved you--bc you're denying His love, so you can't share it with others.

 

[Cameron143]

1. Paul says they believed and received the Spirit in Galatians 3:1-3.
2. No, the "idolatry" for the Galatians was believing a "doctrine of demons" that "you become perfected/mature by the works of the Law"--Paul says "the idols the nations worship are demons", so, 1 John 2:28 warns the spiritual babies "remain in Him", and 1 Jn 5:21 explains that "idolatry" is drawing them away from abiding. They weren't continuing to keep the command "believe in the Name of the Son", but were breaking that, so weren't abiding in Christ ("cut off from Christ" (Gal 5:4)), and were "deserting God" (Gal 1:6).
The issue, then, is that, without that Grace, you can't keep the second command, to love one another as He has loved you--bc you're denying His love, so you can't share it with others.

1. Where specifically?
2. In the verses you gave, the offense is putting themselves back under the law.

 

[brightfame52]

Galatians 3:1-3 says they were saved.

If they were saved then Jer 32:40 applies

40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

 

[brightfame52]

Ro 14:23 says a believer who sins is condemned.

Not by God. God doesnt condemn them, thats the Great Blessing.

 

[romans113336]

1. Where specifically?
2. In the verses you gave, the offense is putting themselves back under the law.

Already shared it:

Galatians 3
1O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith?
3Are you so foolish? After starting in the Spirit, are you now finishing in the flesh? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing, if it really was for nothing?

In other words, Paul already preached the Gospel to them, and they believed. We know they believed, because they received the Spirit. Christ only supplies His Spirit when we abide in Him--and we abide in Him by keeping His commands, which is the command to believe in the Name of God's Son and love one another. They were, afterward, told, however, "Yes, but you must serve by the Law of Moses, or else you're not accepted by God"--but the Law of Moses contains certain terms and conditions whereby it deals a curse on people who try to follow it, so they were coming under that curse and were not receiving the blessing of Abraham, which is the Spirit or the eternal life given to those who follow Christ.