Transgender pain

[ResidentAlien]

But make no mistake this is not a choice for them it is a genetic trait they were born with

Well, this right here proves you've swallowed the Kool-Aid. You're part of the problem, not the solution.

 

[PennEd]

AS I have said before they know all of this they have been beaten down with the truth of their sins the gospel that speaks against their lifestyle that is what the gospel does it shows what must be healed and healed not purged not judged the sin that needs healing.

You can give the truth yes but how you go about it affects the results.

Denial comes from them because they were only shown how sinful and wrong their sin is they don't need to be shown the truth they purposely evoid it because they know it so well.

But make no mistake this is not a choice for them it is a genetic trait they were born with the desire for this deep inside but it is an identity crisis at the core
If they could see themselves as he sees them it would absolutely leave them speechless never even imagining that they could be seen as highly as he sees them why he died for them and that he made them perfect that this transgender this is them not accepting the perfection he created from inside the womb.


Why do speak of love when we can't see a damaged and hurting heart? why can't we look past this truth we claim we are presenting when the truth reaches out it knows and sees wounded child instead of all of this why is it no one thought to see the belood the this porr soul was bleeding?

I have been speaking to them personally I barely even finished reading their first post when I instinctively rushed to get a hold of them.

This is truth truth compells you truth sees a bleeding soul and your body just reacts truth is love compassion empathy the fiery resolve to stand and help for those who cannot stand on their own.

Healing is what is needed I speak of seeing from God's eyes I speak of the heart I speak of all these things I have said I am legally blind but even if I don't fully see with his eyes I saw what you could not and had I not intervened who knows hw far this poor person would have fallen.

True I haven’t read every post here, but has this woman admitted that what she wants is sinful?

I don’t think she believes it’s sin.

 

[Blain]

True I haven’t read every post here, but has this woman admitted that what she wants is sinful?

I don’t think she believes it’s sin.

It is a process he she who cares they just don't understand yet who God says they are.

Such a process is not always instant in fact unless being affected prfoundly it is usually a long process and requires someone to be there all the way with them they can't see or change on their own some demons can only be dispelled through prayer

And some souls can only be made anew by the hand of another.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Ephesians 4 covers this, especially the what Paul said- " speak the truth in love".

You can speak the truth in love all day long and there will still be those who object because they don't want the truth, no matter how it's presented. But you're right, Ephesians 4 is what we should strive for.

 

[Moses_Young]

But make no mistake this is not a choice for them it is a genetic trait they were born with the desire for this deep inside but it is an identity crisis at the core

I think lots of what you've said is misguided, if not also outright wrong, but perhaps this here is the core? There is no proof of this claim, other than what the godless are baselessly claiming. Use the bible as your source of truth, not ignorant scientists.

 

[Blain]

I think lots of what you've said is misguided, if not also outright wrong, but perhaps this here is the core? There is no proof of this claim, other than what the godless are baselessly claiming. Use the bible as your source of truth, not ignorant scientists.

The difference between the truth I follow and the truth you follow is mine made me act

 

[PennEd]

Such a process is not always instant in fact unless being affected prfoundly it is usually a long process and requires someone to be there all the way with them they can't see or change on their own some demons can only be dispelled through prayer

But we're part of that process.

As I've said, she must be loved, but she must also get the consistent message that homosexuality/transgenderism is NOT part of God's plan for her, REGARDLESS of how she feels or what she thinks on the issue.

The LAST thing she needs is for even the slightest appearance that her sinful desires are ok.

Understanding. Yes. Compassion. Yes. Love. Absolutely.

But any form of agreement. NO.

 

[Moses_Young]

The difference between the truth I follow and the truth you follow is mine made me act

If by "act", you mean posting, we both "acted". There is only one truth.

Romans 1:16 - 32
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

 

[Underwhosewings]

Judges 19 & 20
The tribe of Benjamin were also in this condition.
They fought hard for the sake of their sin of sodomy.
But they were almost all slain.

 

[beaglehound]

I'm truly confused by this statement Blain.

Truth, without Love is brutality. No question about it. We MUST present truth in a loving, compassionate manner.

BUT, Love, WITHOUT truth is hypocrisy, and worse, leaves a person with a belief that their sin is acceptable in Jesus' eyes, and therefore isn't really sin at all!

Of course Jesus ate with sinners and showed them love and compassion. The woman at the well, the adulteress brought before Him, the tax collectors, Matthew, etc... But NOWHERE does Jesus EVER endorse their sin. His message is consistently "Go and sin no more".

WE haven't gone to this woman's house with placards, shouting "repent or die". SHE, came to a Christian website, and people have responded to a thread SHE started.

Of what value is there in telling her what she WANTS to hear, vs. what she NEEDS to hear?

You have nailed it PennEd. I considered adding to it but I would only be repeating what have said already said. Well stated!

 

[Lynx]

Well at last we finally got a good argument going. It took a lot longer than usual, but it finally happened.

That's puzzling though... Usually it doesn't take nearly this long for you guys to start snapping at each other. Why such a delay this time?

 

[Blain]

But we're part of that process.

As I've said, she must be loved, but she must also get the consistent message that homosexuality/transgenderism is NOT part of God's plan for her, REGARDLESS of how she feels or what she thinks on the issue.

The LAST thing she needs is for even the slightest appearance that her sinful desires are ok.

Understanding. Yes. Compassion. Yes. Love. Absolutely.

But any form of agreement. NO.

As I have said before they have been told all of this countless times the gospel the truth has been presented to them over and over again but it was done to reveal and show their sins and flaws no one bothers to see past all of that and actually help them you can point out a sin yiou can use tyhe truth to show their sins and weaknesses but that was never what truth was.

Real truth doesn't speak on a persons flaws it sees a person who has yet to truly experience God if you have all the scripture all the knowledge yet you cannot empathis with them you cannot see how they need to be helped then your truth is not the gospel.

how many times did Jesus show mercy understanding and love instead of telling these sinners the truth vs their flesh he instead empathised with them he showed them love caring and the willingness to be there for them and he created the most devout followers from the lowest of the low.

You make the mistske of thinking the truth is about correct docrtine that is all it is ever about in every religion every church but the eyes and the heart of god see past that they look at the person in need

Instead of trying to provide the truth which only shows thyeir flaws and sins show the actual truth by what we were called to be love compassion put the effort in to understand them pm them help them take the care to not just spesk the heart of God show it.

Believe me I know first hand the state of these people so called Christians only speaking and showing their sins and flaws and these people were destroyed they were shocked to find out I was a Christian even a blood warlock said to me I was the first Christian he hjad ever met.

This infuriated me we who call ourtselves love followerds of Christ create people like this I was infurated that the church seems to think they are ok but look at the result how even a hig brought a women to tears

Christians in the end are about being right about their doctrine about how they see and understand but only the ones who have seen the result of thios so called truth know something is off something is wrong this isn't truth or the hear of God because these people are the end result

If you had the truth you would see this and it would make you act as if by instinct your body just moves.

If doctrine and the sumrization of others compared to your truth is how you live
You will never see with his eyes

 

[Blain]

If by "act", you mean posting, we both "acted". There is only one truth.

Romans 1:16 - 32
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

no unlike you I didn't even have to finish reading their original post when I had to get a hold of them but body acted on it's and I instantly as if by instinct south to reach them I could see and feel the misery and pain they were in it isn't my place to say how deep it was but thios person was on suicudal state

I didn't know this befirehand but the truth you claim to abide by left you blind to this persons needs and how to help them you speak of the truth but all I have seen is everyone telling them how wrong they are but the truth given doesn't change the heart it doesn't heal and mend it doesn't show the mercy and understanding Jesus showed.

I fear that if I had not gone to them when I did would they taken life when they just needed someone to listen someone to understand someone to show actual comnpassion dealing with suicude myslef I can tell you all it takes is just one prtdon to actually be there for you to stay by your side in your time of darkness just one person who you know you can confide in to speal your inner demons freely without judgement

I will say it over and over they have been spoken and exposed to the truth you present but it isn'ty about salvation it isn't for their inner nneds it is to show how sinful they are their flaws and weaknesses are truth doesn't expose the darkness it doens't judge it it realizes the darkness is consuming and you are without hesitation activated to reach out and pull them out of the darkness.

You talk about truth but how many of you actually reached out to help this person? to understand their struggles and pain?

What is truth to you just words just re spoken thins time and time again when the truth is needed for the inner damage to pain the never being good enough for God to save

If your truth only damages it is not truth and you can call it or view it as doctrinal sciptural t if the spirit speaks to the spirit then by whoes spirit are you tryiunruth but if it doesn't affect the heart if it is just words with no ability to help it is just man made words not from God the spirit speakes to the spirit you don't have to try or think you flow naturally with him

In doing so he reveals even allows you to experience what they are going through it is a horrible almost unbearable feeling to keep searching for hope for the real thing but only met with attacks misunderstanindg instead of helping only revealing where they lack hope itself turns into a curse you cannot take another major hit or you will shatter.

The truth doesn't expose it heals it gives life and comfort where the darkness the law the doctrines of man only attack and show where you lack salvation has nothing to do with this it was never about ourselves or our efforts or how diligently we abided by the bible

The study of the bible yet how many could see what was needed and what was going on in this persons soul? If they would have gone through with it which I am not able to disclose as it is a personal matter had I not reached out when I did they may have followed through and the blood would be on all of your hands because we claim tyo be Christian we claim to be love we claim to see with his eyes but look at the results it is about showing their sins about being scriptually right yet I saw and did what no one else would whether I saved their lives or not had I not gone to them when I did I fear for their life

Again truth makes tou act speak truth all you want but if you don't act if you cannot see what is happening inside them you could very well be the reason for their death.

 

[Underwhosewings]

He could have called ten thousand angels,
To destroy the world and set Him free,
He could have called ten thousand angels,
But He DIED ALONE for you and me.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The truth doesn't expose it heals it gives life and comfort...

You will not find any biblical basis for this. It is simply your emotions, and some might even be misled by what you have said.

When both John the Baptist and Christ began their public ministries, the first word out our their mouths was "REPENT!" But when he [John] saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. (Mt 3:7-9) That was exposing the truth that those hearing them were sinners committing sins, therefore they needed to repent. So before life and comfort comes the call from God to repent.

What would "Bring forth fruits meet for [demonstrating] repentance" be for the transgender? For the transgender it would mean ABANDONING THEIR SEXUAL PERVERSION (the "T" in LGBTQ). So Blain, you had better support your positions with actual Scripture.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

As I have said before they have been told all of this countless times the gospel the truth has been presented to them over and over again but it was done to reveal and show their sins and flaws no one bothers to see past all of that and actually help them you can point out a sin yiou can use tyhe truth to show their sins and weaknesses but that was never what truth was.

Real truth doesn't speak on a persons flaws it sees a person who has yet to truly experience God if you have all the scripture all the knowledge yet you cannot empathis with them you cannot see how they need to be helped then your truth is not the gospel.

I believe in compassion, I certainly do.Brother have given or been part of thousands of altar calls. One thing I know, when a person truly grasps hold of the Word, they repent of their sins. I've seen it time and time again. The true Gospel always shows us where we are wrong, where we need to repent and change our path.

I have told about a young man in one service who was living a homosexual lifestyle and didn't realize or didn't want to admit he was in sin. But that morning he came to the altar and gave his heart to the Lord. Just preaching the simple Gospel pricked his heart. People had prayed for this young man and there was much celebration that morning when he came to the altar. The Holy Spirit will let us know when we are out of step and need to repent.

how many times did Jesus show mercy understanding and love instead of telling these sinners the truth vs their flesh he instead empathised with them he showed them love caring and the willingness to be there for them and he created the most devout followers from the lowest of the low.

Yes brother, but then He said, "Go thy way and sin no more!" Jesus never ever left people in their sin unless they made the choice to stay there.

Christians in the end are about being right about their doctrine about how they see and understand but only the ones who have seen the result of thios so called truth know something is off something is wrong this isn't truth or the hear of God because these people are the end result

If you had the truth you would see this and it would make you act as if by instinct your body just moves.

There are two reactions people have when they are introduced to Jesus. One is to grab hold like a lifeline and repent of sin, the other is to continue to run away because they don't want to change.
My father always tells the story of a Christian friend who asked him to church one night. He said that it seemed as if the preacher knew his life and he was convicted. They gave the altar call and my father gives his testimony " I stood up and headed for the door. But my friend who invited me stood in my path and said "brother, you're going the wrong way" he turned and hit the altar and became saved that night. My father went into evangelism and he has never changed or wavered from his commitment that night in at a little church altar. Because when we truly meet Jesus we change, we repent and we strive to become who He wants us to be. The OP has not gotten to that place, they have not truly had an encounter with Christ. The best we can do is pray that one day they will have that encounter and be born again.

 

[Eli1]

...in other news the pope is sugessting that he is going to bless gay marriages soon.
What a great politician !

 

[maxwel]

Of course Jesus ate with sinners and showed them love and compassion. The woman at the well, the adulteress brought before Him, the tax collectors, Matthew, etc... But NOWHERE does Jesus EVER endorse their sin. His message is consistently "Go and sin no more".

Agreed.


Christ Eating With Sinners:

The implication is that sinners were so overwhelmed by Christ's holiness, from his mere presence, that they were immediately convicted of sin.
There were no ambivalent sinners in Christ's presence: there were people repentant and broken, and people unrepentant and angry... there was really nothing else. His presence convicted all, mightily and immediately, of their sin.

The idea that Christ ate in the company of ongoing sin, that he was just relaxing at brothels with the prostitutes carrying on with their clients... that's not a thing. That's not biblical.

He ate and drank with REPENTANT sinners... as all fell under conviction at his presence.
- The reason these repentant people are called "sinners" over and over, is because if someone had a bad reputation, this was not
so easily forgiven under Jewish custom. They were considered unclean... even if they repented.
- These repentant people that Jesus was eating with are continually referred to as sinners because that is how the culture viewed them. They were considered perpetually tainted by the culture, but they repented upon encountering Christ, and he accepted them.
- The unrepentant sinners, like the pharisees, were never accepted by Christ.
- He accepted and fellowshipped with all who repented: that is why he ate with people who HAD BEEN prostitutes, and he did not eat with the pharisees.

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[beaglehound]

...in other news the pope is sugessting that he is going to bless gay marriages soon.
What a great politician !

Unbelievable!

 

[Nehemiah6]

...in other news the pope is sugessting that he is going to bless gay marriages soon. What a great politician !

It is entirely possible that Francis is gay himself. Who knows? He is promoting Wokeism but no one has demanded that he resign.