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JacobMartinMertens

JacobMartinMertens

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I know that there are more eschatological views than I can think of. Here are the ones that I can think of, and therefore I reject.

Amillennialism.
Postmillennialism.
Premillennialism. This includes Dispensationalism.

What can we learn from each other and the Bible, without letting our Theology get in the way?
 
JacobMartinMertens

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Genesis 1:1 NASB20 - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Bereshit (Genesis) - Chapter 1

1In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth. אבְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ:


Bereshit is pronounced Behraysheet. It means "In beginning".

In beginning He created Gods (God) the heavens and the earth.

Or, In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
 
seekingthemindofChrist

seekingthemindofChrist

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May I ask why you went from talking about eschatology, which is a study of the last days, to talking about the very first verse of the Bible or what happened in the beginning?
 
selahsays

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JacobMartinMertens said:
I know that there are more eschatological views than I can think of. Here are the ones that I can think of, and therefore I reject.

Amillennialism.
Postmillennialism.
Premillennialism. This includes Dispensationalism.

What can we learn from each other and the Bible, without letting our Theology get in the way?
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Do you know what the millennium is?
 
seekingthemindofChrist

seekingthemindofChrist

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JacobMartinMertens said:
Simply because we must start on the right foot.
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Okay.

That makes sense (which is a rarity in this section of the forum).

Do you believe that Jesus (although he probably was not known by that name at that time) is the one who did the creating in the beginning?
 
JacobMartinMertens

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seekingthemindofChrist said:
Okay.

That makes sense (which is a rarity in this section of the forum).

Do you believe that Jesus (although he probably was not known by that name at that time) is the one who did the creating in the beginning?
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That is one possible view. I do not hold to that, but I have seen translations of the Bible that basically say that is the case.
 
JacobMartinMertens

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seekingthemindofChrist said:
May I ask why you went from talking about eschatology, which is a study of the last days, to talking about the very first verse of the Bible or what happened in the beginning?
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Hebrews 1:2 NASB20 - in these last days has spoken to us in [His] Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world.
 
JacobMartinMertens

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seekingthemindofChrist said:
May I ask why you went from talking about eschatology, which is a study of the last days, to talking about the very first verse of the Bible or what happened in the beginning?
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Isaiah 2:2 NASB20 - Now it will come about that In the last days The mountain of the house of the LORD Will be established as the chief of the mountains, And will be raised above the hills; And all the nations will stream to it.

Jeremiah 23:20 NASB20 - "The anger of the LORD will not turn back Until He has performed and carried out the purposes of His heart; In the last days you will clearly understand it.

Jeremiah 49:39 NASB20 - 'But it will come about in the last days That I will restore the fortunes of Elam,'" Declares the LORD.
Ezekiel 38:16 NASB20 - and you will come up against My people Israel like a cloud to cover the land. It shall come about in the last days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me when I show Myself holy through you before their eyes, Gog."

Hosea 3:5 NASB20 - Afterward the sons of Israel will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king; and they will come trembling to the LORD and to His goodness in the last days.

Micah 4:1 NASB20 - And it will come about in the last days That the mountain of the house of the LORD Will be established as the chief of the mountains. It will be raised above the hills, And the peoples will stream to it.

Acts 2:17 NASB20 - 'AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,' God says, 'THAT I WILL POUR OUT MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND; AND YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS WILL PROPHESY, AND YOUR YOUNG MEN WILL SEE VISIONS, AND YOUR OLD MEN WILL HAVE DREAMS;

2 Timothy 3:1 NASB20 - But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come.

James 5:3 NASB20 - Your gold and your silver have corroded, and their corrosion will serve as a testimony against you and will consume your flesh like fire. It is in the last days that you have stored up your treasure!

2 Peter 3:3 NASB20 - Know this first [of all,] that in the last days mockers will come with [their] mocking, following after their own lusts,

Nehemiah 8:18 NASB20 - He read from the Book of the Law of God daily, from the first day to the last day. And they celebrated the feast seven days, and on the eighth day [there was] a festive assembly in accordance with the ordinance.

Amos 4:2 NASB20 - The Lord GOD has sworn by His holiness, "For behold, the days are coming upon you When they will take you away with [meat] hooks, And the last of you with fish hooks.

Hebrews 1:2 NASB20 - in these last days has spoken to us in [His] Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world.
 
selahsays

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JacobMartinMertens said:
That is one possible view. I do not hold to that, but I have seen translations of the Bible that basically say that is the case.
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You have already admitted to being an agnostic in one of your Trinity threads. We don’t need yet another thread by you.
 
seekingthemindofChrist

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JacobMartinMertens said:
I have heard that eschatology is the study of the end times.
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https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=eschatology

eschatology (n.)

1834, from Latinized form of Greek eskhatos "last, furthest, uttermost, extreme, most remote" in time, space, degree (from PIE *eghs-ko-, suffixed form of *eghs "out;" see ex-) + -ology. In theology, the study of the four last things (death, judgment, heaven, hell). Related: Eschatological; eschatologically.

Our English word "eschatology" is derived from the Greek word "eskhatos", and this word appears 54 times in the underlying Greek of the New Testament. In most cases, it is translated into English as "last".

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g2078/kjv/tr/0-1/
 
JacobMartinMertens

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selahsays said:
Do you know what the millennium is?
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https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=millennialism

millennialism (n.)

1906, "millenarianism, belief in the coming or presence of the (Christian) millennium," from millennial + -ism. Related: Millennialist.

millennial (adj.)

1660s, "pertaining to the millennium," from stem of millennium + -al (1). Meaning "pertaining to a period of 1,000 years" is from 1807. As a noun from 1896, originally "a thousandth anniversary." From 1991 as a generational name for those born in the mid-1980s and thus coming of age around the year 2000.

post-millennial (adj.)

also postmillennial, "relating to what may occur in the period following the millennium," 1831, from post- "after" + millennial; chiefly in reference to the Protestant doctrine that the second coming of Christ will occur after, not at, the Christian millennium. Related: Post-millennialism; post-millennialist.

https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=millennium

millennium (n.)

1630s, "the 1,000-year period of Christ's anticipated rule on Earth" (Revelation xx.1-5); from Modern Latin millennium, from Latin mille "thousand" (see million) + annus "year" (see annual); formed on analogy of biennium, triennium, etc. For vowel change, see biennial. General (non-theological) sense of "an aggregate of 1,000 years, a period or interval of 1,000 years" is attested by 1711. Meaning "the year 2000 A.D." is attested by 1970.
[T]he men of the modern world—up to a generation ago anyway—saw 2000 as a millennial year in the light of science. Men were then to be freed of want, misery, and disease; reason and advanced technology would rule; all would finally be for the best in what would then be the undoubted best of all possible worlds. [Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, December 1962]​
 
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JacobMartinMertens said:
General (non-theological) sense of "an aggregate of 1,000 years, a period or interval of 1,000 years" is attested by 1711. Meaning "the year 2000 A.D." is attested by 1970.
[T]he men of the modern world—up to a generation ago anyway—saw 2000 as a millennial year in the light of science.
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Remember, Hosea 5:14-15[,6:1-3] informs us that the "after TWO days" and "IN the THIRD day" [time prophecy] only commences to be factored AFTER the part about "I shall tear and go away" ("I will go and return to My place TILL"), meaning, only counted from the point in time following His ascension (which was in 32ad, or thereabouts).

So the natural man's "guess" of its starting at the year "2000" was simply a guess (not exactly a "biblically-informed" guess ;) ).






As to Jer49:39, your verse in post #14, consider a couple of factors:

"Jeremiah 49:39 NASB20 - 'But it will come about in the last days That I will restore the fortunes of Elam,'" Declares the LORD."



Acts 3:21 states, "whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age." [i.e. by the mouth of the OT prophets]





This verse (Acts 3:21) means that Christ's having gone up to heaven (at His ascension) INTERVENES for a time-period (the "UNTIL" part) BEFORE the "restoration of ALL THINGS of which God spoke by...";
then (at the right time for it to commence) there is what he's calling "the TIMES OF restoration" (it will unfold...).
 
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