"Is There More Than one Gospel?...

JaumeJ · Oct 2, 2023

Isn't Mary Magdalene who preached the gospel first about the Death, burial, and Ressurection just the very moment Christ was resurrected?

11But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,

12And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

13And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.

14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.

15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

16Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

18Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.

It seems so, for Jesus Yeshua told her He was not yet risen to His Father, yet He was raised already from the dead. Also He asked her not touch Him for His Body had not yet been fully transformed, so Yes, she did indeed, thank you, and god bless you always.

Magenta · Oct 2, 2023

Clayman said:

Acts 10:43~ All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.

Magenta · Oct 2, 2023

Clayman said:

Matthew 13:16-17

GRACE_ambassador · Oct 2, 2023

turbosixx said:

Respectfully disagree, because:

When Peter preached at Pentecost, he did mention the Death Of Christ,
but the context shows it as 'Bad news':

Act 2:23 "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and

foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands

have crucified and slain"

Thus, Peter accusing the Jews of murder is not the same as Paul,
declaring It as "Good news' [ Different Gospel ] for the Jews and
Gentiles, Correct?:

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while

we were yet sinners, Christ Died for us" (Romans 5:8):

turbosixx said:

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in The Name

of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them

to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I

am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

(Matthew 28:19-20)

Just one question on this about these gospels being the same?:

1) In the gospel of the kingdom to the twelve, Jesus Commanded

"obeying Moses Law" In Matthew 23:1-3 as one of the:

"...observe All things whatsoever I have commanded you...", Correct?

Did they? It seems to me they did:

Act 21:20 "And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and

said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews

there are which believe; and they are all zealous of The Law"

Obeying Christ's Instructions Above, Correct?

2) On the other hand, Paul, with The Gospel Of Grace, we find:

Act_21:21 "And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all

the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying

that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk

after the customs."

3) So, which is it?

a) one gospel with Two Different Requirements, or:

b) Two Different Gospels, Each with Different Requirements?

c) probably why I asked this Important question, eh?:

I have decided to follow Jesus, so 'Which' gospel do I follow?

Thanks again for the kind and great discussion - Take Care...

turbosixx · Oct 2, 2023

GRACE_ambassador said:

Incorrect. May I suggest you're seeing what you want to see. It's not uncommon for the apostles to "tailor" their sermons to the specific crowd/person they are speaking to, 1 Cor. 9. The crowd doesn't change the message. The message was Jesus died but they were the ones to do it. It worked. They were cut to the heart. Peter didn't get a chance to tell them the good news before they cut in. After they did, he told them the good news that they could have their sins forgiven by the name of Jesus and three thousand souls were added that day.

Paul was speaking to a different crowd so he could not convict them of killing Jesus. Same message, two different crowds.

GRACE_ambassador said:

This is a good point. May I suggest we need to look at the dividing line between the old and the new. The dividing line is Jesus's sacrifice. Jesus's sacrifice put an end to the law of Moses. Who tore the veil in the temple, God. God was no longer on the mercy seat. To access God after Jesus's sacrifice, we go through Jesus.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17 And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,

So you see, before Jesus' sacrifice they were under the law of Moses and had to observe it. After, they were not required to. After Jesus's sacrifice we see the gospel preached (not the law), we see believers baptized in the name of Jesus which is not part of the law. I'm not sure if you're familiar with Hebrews. It's very informative about the new and old law. Here's a snippet.
12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.
16 For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established. 17 For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive.

GRACE_ambassador said:

Did Paul make it so he appeared to be in observance of the law or did he refuse and stand for the truth?

but that you yourself also live in observance of the law

GRACE_ambassador said:

It's one gospel (death, burial and resurrection of Jesus) and being baptized in the name of Jesus. Paul baptized believers in the name of Jesus just as the 12 and Jesus instructed.
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

I'm enjoying the study.

DJT_47 · Oct 2, 2023

There is only one gospel that truly saves, but unfortunately, there are many false, distorted, gospels that don't, propagated by and through denominationalism.

fredoheaven · Oct 3, 2023

GRACE_ambassador said:

May I interject with this one. The one Peter preached during the Pentecost was all the good news about the death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. Peter heart’s rejoiced and his tongue was glad. V26 and they were witnesses of this truth before Paul was given the same good news:

23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

24Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

25For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

28Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

29Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

John146 · Oct 3, 2023

fredoheaven said:

May I interject with this one. The one Peter preached during the Pentecost was all the good news about the death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. Peter heart’s rejoiced and his tongue was glad. V26 and they were witnesses of this truth before Paul was given the same good news:

23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

24Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

25For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

28Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

29Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Yes, those early Apostles were witnesses to what they had seen and heard. What was missing? The abundance of revelation that the Lord gave to the Apostle Paul.

Webers.Home · Oct 3, 2023

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Actually, my favorite is the everlasting gospel per Rev 14:6-7 which says:

"I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting
gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and
kindred, and tongue, and people, announcing with a loud voice: Fear God,
and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come: and worship
Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of
waters."

The everlasting gospel is a bounce from the very first chapter of Genesis;
and reiterated at Ps 19:1-4 and Rom 1:19-20. It's very elementary; pretty
much all it says is:

1) There's a supreme being.

2) People should not take Him lightly.

3) He deserves to be held in very high regard.

4) There's a reckoning looming on the horizon.

5) The cosmos-- all of its forms of life, matter, and energy --is the result of
intelligent design.
_

fredoheaven · Oct 3, 2023

John146 said:

Umm, I do not see any difference actually as far as the revelation is concerned. While it is true, that Paul was given, “dispensed” as a special instrument to the Gentile nevertheless, they have the same messages otherwise Peter and other Apostles were accursed. The writer of the book of Hebrews which I believe was authored by Paul gave no distinction. It was” first began to be spoken by the Lord” and was confirmed unto all that heard him (Not only Paul but all of the Apostles). Actually, they were continuing on what Christ said of the GC as told in Mt. 28:18-20; Mark 16. Now, consider this as Paul’s. Thanks

Hebrews 3:3-4

3How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

4God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

GRACE_ambassador · Oct 3, 2023

fredoheaven said:

Of course, we respectfully beg to differ, as we have studied and found
these Differences:

Basic Distinctions (14 + 4 more) Of Prophecy vs Mystery!
+
Update/Addition (#19)

Amen.

GRACE_ambassador · Oct 3, 2023

turbosixx said:

Precious friend, I must be hardheaded, eh? I haven't studied Scripture
about 'tailoring sermons' according to the crowd, but seems me that
would be the Very Reason for the Severely Divided and Confused churches
that abound today. 'tailoring' messages to what "the itchy ears" crowd want
to hear?

I well remember being a proud denominationalist, "tailoring" Scripture "to fit"
the tradition (and wondering why others could 'not see' the wonderful truths
"we thought we had"), but When God Led me to "Right Division," I no longer
needed to do that, and ran, leaving it all behind me. Amen?

So, now I think that before one can be saved by the gospel (good news), one
must first be convicted of the 'bad news' of being guilty? ( Wait! Didn't you
just 'say/agree with that' in the bold above?) If it's ok, just one last review of
what the Record Says, and some pertinent questions about them:

1) In the gospel of the kingdom, preached at Pentecost:

a) first the bad news:

Act 2:23 "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and

foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands

have crucified and slain"

X2!:

Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,

that God hath made that same Jesus, Whom ye have crucified,

both Lord and Christ."

b) Then the conviction:

Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their

heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men

and brethren, what shall we do?

c) Then the "good news" (gospel of the kingdom):

From Christ's (prophetic program) Orders on the earth:

[ Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized Shall Be Saved!" ]:

Act 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized

every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission

of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

Wait! Is that not by "faith Plus works", Correct?:

2) In the Gospel Of The Grace, preached to the Jews first, before "they fell,"
and to Gentiles from Paul until today:

a) first the bad news:

"there is not righteous, no not one"

"All have sinned and come short of the Glory Of God"

"the wages of sin is death..."

(Rom 3:10, 23, 6:23, Second Death Rev 20:14-15)

b) Then the conviction:

"What Must I do to be saved?" (Acts 16:31)

c) Then The Gospel of Grace (Greatest News Ever!), from

Christ's "Revelation Of The Mystery," From Heaven:

"Christ Died for our sin, was Buried, and Rose Again"

"Believe On The Lord Jesus Christ, and thou Shalt Be Saved"

[ Pray tell, what happened to the "believe/repent/and be water baptized"

good news? ]:

"For By Grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of

yourselves: it is The Gift of God: Not of works, lest any man

should boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9) Wait! Apart from works?:

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but

according to His Mercy He Saved us, By the washing of

regeneration, and renewing of The Holy Ghost"

(Titus 3:5 et al in Romans - Philemon)

Leaving this last Important question: Am I supposed 'to see' (as you suggest)
only one gospel with Both "water baptism For the remission of sins" and
"NO works" for justification, or:

Two Different And Distinct gospels:

one for God's Prophetic program for earth?

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

And, the Other For His Mystery Program, from Heaven?

Thanks for the great discussion, and now may I suggest this Challenge?:

Possible Next 'helpful' step? Discuss the Very Controversial doctrine of
water baptism vs Spiritual Baptism (for two Different gospels?)...

Take Care!...

John146 · Oct 3, 2023

fredoheaven said:

Have you ever thought that when Paul makes that statement, it is present tense? Now that the revelation has occurred, no other gospel is to be preached. That statement is not meant for all time in the past, but the present time.

turbosixx · Oct 4, 2023

GRACE_ambassador said:

Precious friend, I must be hardheaded, eh? I haven't studied Scripture
about 'tailoring sermons' according to the crowd, but seems me that
would be the Very Reason for the Severely Divided and Confused churches
that abound today. 'tailoring' messages to what "the itchy ears" crowd want
to hear?

I well remember being a proud denominationalist, "tailoring" Scripture "to fit"
the tradition (and wondering why others could 'not see' the wonderful truths
"we thought we had"), but When God Led me to "Right Division," I no longer
needed to do that, and ran, leaving it all behind me. Amen?

So, now I think that before one can be saved by the gospel (good news), one
must first be convicted of the 'bad news' of being guilty? ( Wait! Didn't you
just 'say/agree with that' in the bold above?) If it's ok, just one last review of
what the Record Says, and some pertinent questions about them:

1) In the gospel of the kingdom, preached at Pentecost:

a) first the bad news:

Act 2:23 "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and

foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands

have crucified and slain"

X2!:

Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,

that God hath made that same Jesus, Whom ye have crucified,

both Lord and Christ."

b) Then the conviction:

Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their

heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men

and brethren, what shall we do?

c) Then the "good news" (gospel of the kingdom):

From Christ's (prophetic program) Orders on the earth:

[ Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized Shall Be Saved!" ]:

Act 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized

every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission

of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

Wait! Is that not by "faith Plus works", Correct?:

2) In the Gospel Of The Grace, preached to the Jews first, before "they fell,"
and to Gentiles from Paul until today:

a) first the bad news:

"there is not righteous, no not one"

"All have sinned and come short of the Glory Of God"

"the wages of sin is death..."

(Rom 3:10, 23, 6:23, Second Death Rev 20:14-15)

b) Then the conviction:

"What Must I do to be saved?" (Acts 16:31)

c) Then The Gospel of Grace (Greatest News Ever!), from

Christ's "Revelation Of The Mystery," From Heaven:

"Christ Died for our sin, was Buried, and Rose Again"

"Believe On The Lord Jesus Christ, and thou Shalt Be Saved"

[ Pray tell, what happened to the "believe/repent/and be water baptized"

good news? ]:

"For By Grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of

yourselves: it is The Gift of God: Not of works, lest any man

should boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9) Wait! Apart from works?:

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but

according to His Mercy He Saved us, By the washing of

regeneration, and renewing of The Holy Ghost"

(Titus 3:5 et al in Romans - Philemon)

Leaving this last Important question: Am I supposed 'to see' (as you suggest)
only one gospel with Both "water baptism For the remission of sins" and
"NO works" for justification, or:

Two Different And Distinct gospels:

one for God's Prophetic program for earth?

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

And, the Other For His Mystery Program, from Heaven?

Thanks for the great discussion, and now may I suggest this Challenge?:

Possible Next 'helpful' step? Discuss the Very Controversial doctrine of
water baptism vs Spiritual Baptism (for two Different gospels?)...

Take Care!...

You can break it down and call it what you want but the fact is Peter and Paul preached the same gospel. They preached Jesus. Him crucified and resurrected for the forgiveness of sins. I've compared the two and their points are almost identical. Telling the ones who called for Jesus to be crucified "you killed Him" doesn't change the fact He died.

Why do you call it the kingdom gospel? I see no mention of kingdom in Peters sermon. I see people believing the gospel, being baptized and added to Christ (their sins forgiven).

I will be glad to move on to baptism. 1
1 Cor. 12:13 is not spiritual baptism. I know you believe it is, so could you please point to another passage to support this notion. Eph. 4:5 is not support. First we have to determine there is a spiritual baptism. I can prove there is a water baptism.

fredoheaven · Oct 4, 2023

John146 said:

I think I need to add the following:

“which at first began to be spoken by the Lord “This in reference to what the Lord preached during his early ministry or it simply means that the Lord "began" to preach the gospel; the apostles followed him being properly the first preacher of the gospel. Mark 1: 1, 14. Hebrews 1;2 brings us to light that in the last days

Hebrews 1:2 “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son” coincides with what Luke says in Acts 1:1-3 that it all began with Jesus until the day he was taken up. Hence these are the last days before his ascension taking us to the Great Commission of Mat. 28 or Mark 16 . Paul’s preaching is thus the same message, the same gospel of what he received of the Lord Jesus Christ being revealed to him later.

The gospel was confirmed – this confirmation is through the means of signs and wonders, miracles and gifts. Jesus illustrated these miracles as a way of preaching the gospel, Peter did this confirmation, and Paul as well (see Acts 14:3, Acts 19:11-12; Acts 20: Romans 15:18-19)

The point is that the gospel began with Christ himself and continued later on by the Apostles as part of obeying the commands of Christ. For Paul, it was necessary that Christ revealed to him to be an eyewitness being one of the marks of true Apostleship. So nothing differs in their message of the gospel.

John146 · Oct 4, 2023

fredoheaven said:

He spoke it several times, but no one had the understanding. It was hid from them by God.

Luke 18:
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

I would add, the above was different than the gospel of the kingdom. The gospel of the kingdom, the disciples, not only understood, but were going around preaching it.

GRACE_ambassador · Oct 4, 2023

turbosixx said:

Precious friend, since you are still firmly convinced, we should go ahead,
and move on to the next challenge: "water vs One Baptism," ok?

Be Encouraged and Edified.

Amen.

achduke7 · Oct 4, 2023

No, The good news (gospel) is dispensed to all.

GRACE_ambassador · Oct 4, 2023

achduke7 said:

So, then, precious friend, you are willing to obey the first mention of 'good news to all' without making excuses, for disobeying it?:

the gospel to Cain and Abel!:

"bring the correct offering / be respected/accepted By God?

(Genesis 4:3-7), eh?

Amen.

achduke7 · Oct 4, 2023

GRACE_ambassador said:

I believe that is possible if we have the Holy Spirit in us much like the Apostles did.

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