Transgender pain

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seekingthemindofChrist

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I curse the day I was born like Job.
Job ultimately abhorred himself and repented in dust and ashes (Job 42:6) after God had finished thoroughly rebuking him for darkening counsel by words without knowledge (Job 38:2), and for seeking to condemn God while wrongly portraying himself as being righteous (Job 40:8).

In fact, had Job not repented, then he would have faced God's wrath, and even a great ransom would not have been able to redeem him (Job 36:18).

You have continually blamed God for your situation, and you are totally wrong in doing so.

As I advised you to do once before, you need to pray to God and ask him what the real issue is with your refusal to be who he created you to be.

Is it possible that you were victimized as a child, and that caused some sort of psychological damage?

I would get on my knees and ask God if I were you.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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I am sorry my health makes it hard to come online a lot but my reason for what I said is not because of doctrine or what we as Christians consider turth I have enountered and learned first hamd the struggles these people have had to go through I am an empath so whether by curse or blessing I feel and go through all those I talk to I can feel the struggle the pain the damage that while having good intentions many do more damage than good.

The mark of a believer is love and compassion understanding these people fight a war not many can understand they are beaten bruised and call themselves sinners and thus do not go for the kingdom

All the doctrines all the beliefs that only point out their flaws their sins it only damages them brings them down

The true child of God feels their souls pain they don't show where they are flawed but instead understand and help them through it.

I am sorry but it isn't enough for to have the truth if I am unable to rsonate and help others with it regardless of how much of the truth I have what is the point if it if I cannot connect the the hearts of those who need it?
Hey brother, you know I appreciate you. I think we walk a very fine line. My own nephew has made some choices that have put him in a really rough spot. He was raised in church, he knows what he did was wrong and has repented of it. But still there are some big issues for him to face. And so I have to walk the line of saying "Ok that was wrong, but I still I love you and am here to help". He's visiting this weekend and last night he and I drove around for over an hour so he could talk about his issues, make sense of his situation and get past his mistakes. And I told him once he repented God doesn't remember his sin anymore. Even if everyone else persecutes him for it, God has forgiven and forgotten it. So there is that line of compassion but telling the truth to a person.

Now that being said we talk to Christians differently than non Christian who don't understand the Word. The OP says they are a Christian, so they know right from wrong.We can't compromise truth, that's the end. But a Christian can understand why they are wrong. So when a Christian comes in and says "God made me to be trans or gay" they know better, they know it is sin. If the OP were then we use discernment when trying to help them understand sin. Totally different situations. Doesn't mean you don't have empathy, but to whom much is given, much is required. We know right from wrong as Christians and we can shake our fist to God all we want, but it won't change anything. The truth never changes.
 
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The reason I ask is because you seem to want to employ the biblical definition for eunuch, but not for gender. God made us male or female. Those are the only choices. Not only that, God made. Thus, if you are going to accept biblical definitions, it would seem fair to accept them all.
I'm not insensitive to your pain and inner turmoil. But it is truth that sets us free. And until you come to understand that you are indeed a female, and that is how God created you, and purposefully so, you will continue to be in pain. This is because the pain isn't due to the fact that you are a man trapped in a woman's body, but you are a woman who has believed untruths.
This is probably difficult to hear. I have hesitated in even sharing, as I am not a mental health professional. But I do hope you have access to good Christian counseling, and I will continue to pray for you.
I am so glad I go to God in the genuineness of my pain, I will continue to believe I am one of the ones who ought to receive that passage as I trust God more than humans, but I appreciate your prayers
 
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That's a little different. Surgery is probably in order there, but I'm already in way over my head.
Hermaphrodites are an anomaly or aberration from the norm. There are those who argue that hermaphrodites are a 3rd gender or 3rd sex. This is not correct in my opinion. There are are only 2 sexes and thus 2 genders.

Is an hermaphrodite male? Female? That is the challenge facing medical science. There is controversy on the issue. Perhaps we default to chromosomal count and combination of other factors to draw any conclusions. Since God created man in his image, both male and female, the hermaphrodite falls under one category or the other.
 

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Hermaphrodites are an anomaly or aberration from the norm. There are those who argue that hermaphrodites
are a 3rd gender or 3rd sex. This is not correct in my opinion. There are are only 2 sexes and thus 2 genders.

Is an hermaphrodite male? Female? That is the challenge facing medical science. There is controversy on the
issue. Perhaps we default to chromosomal count and combination of other factors to draw any conclusions.
Since God created man in his image, both male and female, the hermaphrodite falls under one category or the other.
Most are predominately female, though true hermaphroditism is indeed a very rare anomaly.
 

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Why bring Eunuchs into it instead of addressing single people?
Probably because when Jesus lived most single people were either the young not yet married people who were expected to marry. Which is completely different from those who will never marry, eunuchs being the most visible example of those who would never marry. Perhaps also because while no one wanted to become a eunuch, eunuchs also often held positions of great honor and trust in a kingdom. So it gives value to those society would say couldn't or wouldn't fulfill their "God-given" purpose.
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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I am so glad I go to God in the genuineness of my pain, I will continue to believe I am one of the ones who ought to receive that passage as I trust God more than humans, but I appreciate your prayers
Then you are going to continue to believe a lie.

Matthew 19:8-12

"He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."

After hearing Jesus' teaching on the indissolubility of marriage, his disciples said unto him, "If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is good not to marry."

Contextually, Jesus was talking about a man choosing to remain celibate, or choosing to remain unmarried, or choosing to make himself a eunuch for the kingdom of heaven's sake.

Nothing that Jesus said has anything to do with a woman desiring to transition into being a man, so stop deluding yourself with that totally unscriptural belief.

You are a female because made you a female.

Whatever your issue truly is, it is not that God made a mistake in creating you.

Something must have happened in your youth to set you down this road you are currently travelling, and you need to seriously inquire of God as to what that something is, and then deal with it accordingly by God's sufficient grace. Should you choose to do things God's way, there will be plenty of Christians who will be willing to help you in this matter.

This is your only viable option before God.
 

Cameron143

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Hermaphrodites are an anomaly or aberration from the norm. There are those who argue that hermaphrodites are a 3rd gender or 3rd sex. This is not correct in my opinion. There are are only 2 sexes and thus 2 genders.

Is an hermaphrodite male? Female? That is the challenge facing medical science. There is controversy on the issue. Perhaps we default to chromosomal count and combination of other factors to draw any conclusions. Since God created man in his image, both male and female, the hermaphrodite falls under one category or the other.
I know what they are. I just haven't considered all the issues. And thanks.
 

Cameron143

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I am so glad I go to God in the genuineness of my pain, I will continue to believe I am one of the ones who ought to receive that passage as I trust God more than humans, but I appreciate your prayers
Would you mind if I asked you a few more questions?
 
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Most are predominately female, though true hermaphroditism is indeed a very rare anomaly.
Which weakens the argument the LGBTQ community puts out there in its relentless effort to legitimize transgenderism.
 
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Thank you for your time, yes that's cool I see how respectful you are even though you disagree
Grayfray.... did you respond to my questions regarding eunuchs, prostates, female reproductive organs etc.?
 
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Grayfray.... did you respond to my questions regarding eunuchs, prostates, female reproductive organs etc.?
I most have not gotten a notification, I'll be looking for it. So many responses today and good ones too, trying to get to them all
 

Cameron143

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Thank you for your time, yes that's cool I see how respectful you are even though you disagree
Do you have any Christians in your life to whom you can ask questions and trust the answers they give?
 

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Hermaphrodites are an anomaly or aberration from the norm. There are those who argue that hermaphrodites are a 3rd gender or 3rd sex. This is not correct in my opinion. There are are only 2 sexes and thus 2 genders.

Is an hermaphrodite male? Female? That is the challenge facing medical science. There is controversy on the issue. Perhaps we default to chromosomal count and combination of other factors to draw any conclusions. Since God created man in his image, both male and female, the hermaphrodite falls under one category or the other.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'd just like to add that while there are intersex people in the world, this has nothing to do with a biological male or female thinking they've been born the wrong gender. This is a psychological issue, not a biological one.
 

Cameron143

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I'm not disagreeing with you. I'd just like to add that while there are intersex people in the world, this has nothing to do with a biological male or female thinking they've been born the wrong gender. This is a psychological issue, not a biological one.
It's a good consideration. What is their chromosomal make up?