The Trinity

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JacobMartinMertens

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I realize that this should be a Bible Study, and it can be. I want to view all of the Bible verses that can be seen in favor of the Trinity or the Trinity doctrine, from Christianity not from Hinduism. Also, I can give my version and be critiqued on it.

God is one.
The Father is God or God is the Father. God is Spirit.
The Son is God or Jesus is God the Son.
The Holy Spirit is God or God is Spirit.
 
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Some people believe that Thomas directed the following statement at to or for or toward Jesus. That very well may be true. Thomas calling Jesus Lord and God.

John 20:28 NASB20 - Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
 
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Jesus is in the following verses described as God and Savior. I know that there are other versions or translations that a person may argue differently, but lets consider the argument of Jesus being God, and Savior.

Titus 2:13 NASB20 - looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

2 Peter 1:1 NASB20 - Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:
 
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Let's consider the argument that Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega. I believe that there is something in Isaiah, but these verses came up from Revelation in a Concordance Search at BlueLetterBible.

Revelation 1:8 NASB20 - "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Revelation 21:6 NASB20 - Then He said to me, "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give [water] to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life, without cost.

Revelation 22:13 NASB20 - "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
 
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Let's consider the argument that Jesus said I and the Father are one to express either oneness with the Father, that Jesus is the Father, or that Jesus and the Father are the same, one.

John 10:30 NASB20 - "I and the Father are one."
 
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Let us consider what we find in Genesis at the creation where it reads Let us make man in Our image. Certainly Elohiym is plural. So perhaps Jesus is included in God.

Genesis 1:26 NASB20 - Then God said, "Let Us make mankind in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the livestock and over all the earth, and over every crawling thing that crawls on the earth."
 
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With the statements, The Son is God or Jesus is God the Son, we find Jesus is God the Son. Is this a statement that is different from Jesus is God?

Also, does anyone believe that Jesus is the Father or that Jesus is God the Father or Jesus is the Father who is God?
 
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Is the statement Jesus is God different from belief in the Trinity?

Also, is Jesus Deity as the Son of God and God the Son or is He the head honcho God the Father the Father God or God Himself?
 
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John 14:28 NASB20 - "You heard that I said to you, 'I am going away, and I am coming to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Is Jesus less than the Father in any way? Is the Son of God not as great as God Himself?

Did God the Son say that God the Father is greater? Or, did the Son of God say that the Father or God or God the Father or the Father who is God or the Father God is greater than Him?
 
oyster67

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1 John 5:7
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
 
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oyster67 said:
1 John 5:7
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
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1 John 5:7-8 NASB20 - For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
 
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oyster67 said:
1 John 5:7
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
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1 John 5:7-8 NKJV - For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
 
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JacobMartinMertens said:
I realize that this should be a Bible Study, and it can be. I want to view all of the Bible verses that can be seen in favor of the Trinity or the Trinity doctrine, from Christianity not from Hinduism. Also, I can give my version and be critiqued on it.

God is one.
The Father is God or God is the Father. God is Spirit.
The Son is God or Jesus is God the Son.
The Holy Spirit is God or God is Spirit.
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In a previous thread you said you were not trinitarian, and now it sounds as if you are.

Have you changed your view on this?


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maxwel said:
In a previous thread you said you were not trinitarian, and now it sounds as if you are.

Have you changed your view on this?


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No. But I know the facts must be as they are. The Trinity doctrine is not found in scripture, but maybe it is true otherwise.
 
maxwel

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JacobMartinMertens said:
No. But I know the facts must be as they are. The Trinity doctrine is not found in scripture, but maybe it is true otherwise.
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A word doesn't need to be in scripture for the concept it describes to be in scripture.

That seems to be the case with the concept of trinity.
The word trinity is not in scripture, but the concept that father, son, and spirit are all God... that is definitely in scripture.


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maxwel said:
A word doesn't need to be in scripture for the concept it describes to be in scripture.

That seems to be the case with the concept of trinity.
The word trinity is not in scripture, but the concept that father, son, and spirit are all God... that is definitely in scripture.


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I believe that Jesus is the Son of God and not God the Son.
 
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