Is it not time to come out from among them & be separate?!?

[Edify]

There are some on CC that are going thru some things spiritually.
⦁ They don't feel like they're being fed anymore in their church. When they come home, they don't even feel better because they went to church. Some actually feel worse for going.
⦁ They fell spiritually uneasy with their church. They can't put a finger on it, but they suspect something's really wrong in their church.
⦁ Their church has lost its fire. Worship & prayer have become a traditional pastime. The congregation seems to go thru the motions.
⦁ True worship seems to have been replaced with excitement of the flesh.
⦁ Worshipping God in song has been replaced with me-worship. Instead of songs that worship God for who He is & praising His holy name, it's songs that are proclaiming who they are (I am a child of God, I am blessed, I am free, etc.).
⦁ Bible study has been replaced with teaching out of other people's books.
⦁ Preparing sermons are no longer started by ministers on their knees asking God to anoint them & give them His word for the church. Most sermons they preach belong to someone else on the internet or Bible software. That may be good enough for some, but shouldn't God be allowed to give personal instructions for each congregation according to their spiritual needs?
⦁ The church's "by-laws" have stricter guidelines on giving than on attendance, ministry & participation. Those who give, vote, even when absent much of the time.

If you notice a couple of things on this list are in your church, be rest assured there are others you haven't noticed yet.

I'm certain some of you might have other things you would add to this list, & I would welcome your input.

My main objective here is to ask you are these things a wake-up call to find another church that is true to its people & preach/teach/worship like God is still in charge of it? Isn't it about time to do some serious praying & ask God to reveal the truth about your church and yourselves?
Be rest assured, it's either them or you who is at fault, & either way you deserve to know the truth once & for all. Seek God, know the truth, & allow the truth to set you free.

It's my strong desire to be a help to those standing in the land of decision. I would admonish you to act quickly on this before it's too late. Please allow this message a chance to change your life for the better.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Will you post about your own situation. Are you going through this yourself?


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[Edify]

Yes. All the points mentioned are currently happening at our church, & I'm praying about leaving. My wife already made it clear she wants to.

 

[Dino246]

My main objective here is to ask you are these things a wake-up call to find another church

Uh huh. If your local church isn't "working" (in your view), the answer is to leave to find a "perfect church".

Good luck with that; you take your own c**p with you when you go. You take your arrogance, your self-righteousness, your self-focusedness, your delusion that you are independent from the Body of Christ. You take your own (probably distorted) ideas of church polity. You take your personal preferences regarding music and song choices.

On that, if it's okay for the preacher to proclaim our identity in Christ, and the facets thereof, why is it wrong for the congregation to sing about those facets? That should not be the only focus of musical worship, but it is certainly a legitimate component!

While you are not actually in covenant with your local church, you are in a covenantal relationship with the Body of Christ, and it is far better to work through problems (resolution and reconciliation) than to run from them (separation and divorce).

Further, and perhaps more importantly, the local church should be a place where you go to give rather than a place you go to get.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Yes. All the points mentioned are currently happening at our church, & I'm praying about leaving. My wife already made it clear she wants to.

Maybe find like-minded people in your church before you go? Ask if they'll keep in touch and maybe get together as a house-church?

I think it might be hard to start fresh unless God already has a new church in mind for you both to go to. In that case He will bless it and make it clear to you that this is the church He wants you to go to.


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[Edify]

Uh huh. If your local church isn't "working" (in your view), the answer is to leave to find a "perfect church".

Good luck with that; you take your own c**p with you when you go. You take your arrogance, your self-righteousness, your self-focusedness, your delusion that you are independent from the Body of Christ. You take your own (probably distorted) ideas of church polity. You take your personal preferences regarding music and song choices.

On that, if it's okay for the preacher to proclaim our identity in Christ, and the facets thereof, why is it wrong for the congregation to sing about those facets? That should not be the only focus of musical worship, but it is certainly a legitimate component!

While you are not actually in covenant with your local church, you are in a covenantal relationship with the Body of Christ, and it is far better to work through problems (resolution and reconciliation) than to run from them (separation and divorce).

Further, and perhaps more importantly, the local church should be a place where you go to give rather than a place you go to get.

Let's see, where to start... I'm not, I will not say anything either good or bad. Go in peace.

 

[Cameron143]

Yes. All the points mentioned are currently happening at our church, & I'm praying about leaving. My wife already made it clear she wants to.

Are there others in your church who feel this way? Perhaps ask them to meet and pray about starting a church.

 

[montana123]

There are some on CC that are going thru some things spiritually.
⦁ They don't feel like they're being fed anymore in their church. When they come home, they don't even feel better because they went to church. Some actually feel worse for going.
⦁ They fell spiritually uneasy with their church. They can't put a finger on it, but they suspect something's really wrong in their church.
⦁ Their church has lost its fire. Worship & prayer have become a traditional pastime. The congregation seems to go thru the motions.
⦁ True worship seems to have been replaced with excitement of the flesh.
⦁ Worshipping God in song has been replaced with me-worship. Instead of songs that worship God for who He is & praising His holy name, it's songs that are proclaiming who they are (I am a child of God, I am blessed, I am free, etc.).
⦁ Bible study has been replaced with teaching out of other people's books.
⦁ Preparing sermons are no longer started by ministers on their knees asking God to anoint them & give them His word for the church. Most sermons they preach belong to someone else on the internet or Bible software. That may be good enough for some, but shouldn't God be allowed to give personal instructions for each congregation according to their spiritual needs?
⦁ The church's "by-laws" have stricter guidelines on giving than on attendance, ministry & participation. Those who give, vote, even when absent much of the time.

If you notice a couple of things on this list are in your church, be rest assured there are others you haven't noticed yet.

I'm certain some of you might have other things you would add to this list, & I would welcome your input.

My main objective here is to ask you are these things a wake-up call to find another church that is true to its people & preach/teach/worship like God is still in charge of it? Isn't it about time to do some serious praying & ask God to reveal the truth about your church and yourselves?
Be rest assured, it's either them or you who is at fault, & either way you deserve to know the truth once & for all. Seek God, know the truth, & allow the truth to set you free.

It's my strong desire to be a help to those standing in the land of decision. I would admonish you to act quickly on this before it's too late. Please allow this message a chance to change your life for the better.

A hypocrite will go by the Bible, but they will also practice the ways of the nation they belong to.

The more sinful the nation the more worse the hypocrite.

America is very selfish, arrogant, self exalting, loving fleshy pleasures, and worldliness, so there will be many hypocrites that do not want to get rid of those things when they embrace the Bible.

Look on the internet that America fights with each other more than any other nation, and the internet is ground zero.

They fight with each other more than any other nation between husbands and wives, men and women, parents and children, teachers and students, politicians, and in general all around rooten tooten fighting.

So some people will become bored with Church, and Churches will not represent themselves correctly, and the amount of people will increase as time goes on.

It will lead to people not wanting to have anything to do with Christianity of how it has been presented for many years, but they will want to embrace the new age movement interpretation of the Bible that caters to their fleshy lusts.

But that was the plan of America to produce a people that is highly selfish, arrogant, self exalting, immoral, and wanting to have their own way for those are the type of people that they need to establish the new age movement interpretation of the Bible in the world.

That is why they gave them fleshy pleasures, and worldliness, and have your own opinion, so they would exalt themselves.

They caused the 1960's counter culture movement to get them away from the 1950's attitude.

And let them run amuck fighting with each other, belittling each other, using derogatory names against each other using the N word, and honkey on television programs, and movies, and making fun of the religions, and making fun of the ethnic groups, and put people on an individual level for that increases the selfishness, arrogance, and immorality.

And now they say stop, don't do it, it is not right, which they are ready to put the people back together but with a different attitude than the 1950's of selfishness, arrogance, self exaltation, and wanting to have their own way, so they can lead them to the New Age Christ kingdom.

They let the people run amuck, and then they say stop it for it is not right, but why did they allow them to do it in the first place.

Because they had to create the attitude necessary among the people to lead them where they wanted them to go.

So there will be many hypocrites in America, and many of them will embrace the new age movement interpretation of the Bible, but some will correct themselves.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Is it not time to come out from among them & be separate?!?

This admonition strictly applies to those who have not separated themselves from false religions (the "unclean thing"). You are talking about Christian churches which are not necessarily apostate. Even so, very few evangelical churches follow the New Testament pattern.

 

[NilsForChrist]

Sadly you are right entirely.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Let's see, where to start...

Precious friend, I will pray for you:

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[Edify]

Are there others in your church who feel this way? Perhaps ask them to meet and pray about starting a church.

Actually, about 14 people who felt this way have already left in the past 2 years. My wife & I have held on, hoping & praying for repentance & change. Judgment is coming instead.

 

[Cameron143]

Actually, about 14 people who felt this way have already left in the past 2 years. My wife & I have held on, hoping & praying for repentance & change. Judgment is coming instead.

Track down those people and see if they are interested in praying together about starting a church. The church I attend now was begun this way.

 

[Edify]

Precious friend, I will pray for you:

Thank you, I'll take all the prayer I can get.
I was hoping others would respond, so we could all pray for them as well.

 

[Edify]

This admonition strictly applies to those who have not separated themselves from false religions (the "unclean thing"). You are talking about Christian churches which are not necessarily apostate. Even so, very few evangelical churches follow the New Testament pattern.

No, some may not be apostate, but they are probably going into judgment because judgment begins at the house of God.
All of this needs to take place before Jesus comes, so He can prepare His bride.
Knowing that the tribulation is going to be the worst condemnation ever, we should watch for great disciplinary judgment to come to the church, don't you agree?

 

[Blain]

There are some on CC that are going thru some things spiritually.
⦁ They don't feel like they're being fed anymore in their church. When they come home, they don't even feel better because they went to church. Some actually feel worse for going.
⦁ They fell spiritually uneasy with their church. They can't put a finger on it, but they suspect something's really wrong in their church.
⦁ Their church has lost its fire. Worship & prayer have become a traditional pastime. The congregation seems to go thru the motions.
⦁ True worship seems to have been replaced with excitement of the flesh.
⦁ Worshipping God in song has been replaced with me-worship. Instead of songs that worship God for who He is & praising His holy name, it's songs that are proclaiming who they are (I am a child of God, I am blessed, I am free, etc.).
⦁ Bible study has been replaced with teaching out of other people's books.
⦁ Preparing sermons are no longer started by ministers on their knees asking God to anoint them & give them His word for the church. Most sermons they preach belong to someone else on the internet or Bible software. That may be good enough for some, but shouldn't God be allowed to give personal instructions for each congregation according to their spiritual needs?
⦁ The church's "by-laws" have stricter guidelines on giving than on attendance, ministry & participation. Those who give, vote, even when absent much of the time.

If you notice a couple of things on this list are in your church, be rest assured there are others you haven't noticed yet.

I'm certain some of you might have other things you would add to this list, & I would welcome your input.

My main objective here is to ask you are these things a wake-up call to find another church that is true to its people & preach/teach/worship like God is still in charge of it? Isn't it about time to do some serious praying & ask God to reveal the truth about your church and yourselves?
Be rest assured, it's either them or you who is at fault, & either way you deserve to know the truth once & for all. Seek God, know the truth, & allow the truth to set you free.

It's my strong desire to be a help to those standing in the land of decision. I would admonish you to act quickly on this before it's too late. Please allow this message a chance to change your life for the better.

This was such a blessing to read the truth is in you without a doubt believe ,me you made him proud to call to you jis own

 

[ResidentAlien]

No, some may not be apostate, but they are probably going into judgment because judgment begins at the house of God. All of this needs to take place before Jesus comes, so He can prepare His bride. Knowing that the tribulation is going to be the worst condemnation ever, we should watch for great disciplinary judgment to come to the church, don't you agree?

Upon what scriptures do you base this idea that "All of this needs to take place before Jesus comes, so He can prepare His bride?" Can you post them?

 

[Edify]

Upon what scriptures do you base this idea that "All of this needs to take place before Jesus comes, so He can prepare His bride?" Can you post them?

Are you looking for a church to attend?

 

[Fillan]

It's my strong desire to be a help to those standing in the land of decision. I would admonish you to act quickly on this before it's too late. Please allow this message a chance to change your life for the better.

Hello Edify. Good message, agreed. I went through a similar position several years ago in a Pentecostal church I was part of for eight years. The first year was precious, then a new pastor who was into 'prosperity preaching', the next seven I stayed in the church going through sadness on an increasingly downward trajectory. Never preaching on a bible passage, always part of a verse ripped out of context and a book by some celebrity preacher, Olsteen, Copeland, Howard-Browne to name a few. False prophecies, weird teachings, constant changing of worship leaders, musicians and house-group leaders, ripping into individual church members from the pulpit, causing them to leave the church. There were two triggers that caused me to leave, one Sunday evening a particularly nasty sheep-beating session from the pulpit (one of whom was my Auntie) and the last four Sundays I was there the bible had not been opened in a sermon- four weeks without even one bible verse read out. I left.

Best move I ever made, Praise the Lord. I visited several churches, I began with Pentecostal/Charismatic Churches, finally went along to a Baptist Church, the last type I would have chosen before, but that was me limiting God. I remember the pastor did a wonderful expository sermon on 1 Thessalonians chapter 4, their MO is to go through a chapter of scripture a week. It was like finding an Oasis in the desert when you're dying of thirst. Finally the word. Now been in that church for 15 years. Of course not a perfect church but word based, with Godly, accountable leaders and kind people. Sheep, not wolves in sheep's clothing. My one regret is that I should have quit the Pentecostal church immediately after that first good year. I stayed too long in a toxic place, but I was young, 20 when I first joined the AOG. I guess I was blinded by that first good year and sticking around in the bad years hoping something would change. But all that was happening was that the wolf was eating the sheep.

I pray the Lord leads and guides you to green pastures and still waters where he can restore your soul, but my final word is that a sheep gains nothing by trying to run with the wolf pack. Don't stay too long in a toxic place.

God Bless

 

[Dino246]

Let's see, where to start... I'm not, I will not say anything either good or bad. Go in peace.

With what, specifically, do you disagree in my post #4?