In heaven we will have a body of flesh and blood. Very interesting because angels can take on human form

[Mem]

What’s causes a man to sin? Does it not originate in the brain?

I'm sure plucking out the brain would curb sin, but then there's already death...

 

[Truthnightmare]

I'm sure plucking out the brain would curb sin, but then there's already death...

But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

 

[Cameron143]

But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

That's why there is no circumcision of the brain.

 

[Mem]

But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

Correct, and it is likely that Jesus was using a logical tactic, something something absurdem or other, to illustrate how impossible it is for anyone to be saved by their own works. There would be no end to the cutting off and gouging out until every last bit of us were burned in the lake of fire, except for His work that spares us by providing His atonement.

 

[Truthnightmare]

There is one mortal human flesh body and one that is an immortal flesh body which is called the spiritual body but again, it is not a spirit.


This is restricted to the body BEFORE death and resurrection.

There is one mortal human flesh body and one that is an immortal flesh body which is called the spiritual

There is no scripture to confirm that. Jesus said the spirit is not flesh and bone.

We know there is a spiritual body that is not flesh… Because God has a body that is not flesh. We know there is a natural flesh body, for we are in it now. That’s two bodies… adding any other body contradicts scripture.

 

[Mem]

That's why there is no circumcision of the brain.

It's a good thing that we can always change our minds

 

[Cameron143]

It's a good thing that we can always change our minds

I thought you covered that already in post #401.

 

[Mem]

 

[ewq1938]

We know there is a spiritual body that is not flesh…

Nope. There is no non-physical body. The spiritual body Paul wrote of and that Jesus has after resurrection is flesh and bone and immortal.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Nope. There is no non-physical body. The spiritual body Paul wrote of and that Jesus has after resurrection is flesh and bone and immortal.

behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have

This says spirit has no flesh, do you believe these words?

 

[ewq1938]

behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have

This says spirit has no flesh, do you believe these words?

He is talking about a ghost and everyone knows they have no flesh or bones.

Jesus is in an immortal body when he is speaking those words.

 

[Truthnightmare]

He is talking about a ghost and everyone knows they have no flesh or bones.

Jesus is in an immortal body when he is speaking those words.

But He didn’t say ghost (phantasma) He said spirit (pneuma)

Jesus said the spirit has NO flesh…

Notice:
Acts 7:59
And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit

Then…

And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.

Jesus said spirit has no flesh, Stephen is dead, and they have buried his flesh body… Stephens spirit has ascended to God,
with no flesh unless you change the words of a Christ.

 

[ewq1938]

But He didn’t say ghost (phantasma) He said spirit (pneuma)

Both can refer to a ghost which is also called a spirit.

Jesus said the spirit has NO flesh…

He say "a" not "the".

Again context matters here. They see him but don't believe because they know he died. He said he isn't "spirit" but has flesh and bone. He is saying he isn't a ghost but is real.

Notice:
Acts 7:59
And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit

Then…

And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.

Jesus said spirit has no flesh, Stephen is dead, and they have buried his flesh body… Stephens spirit has ascended to God,
with no flesh unless you change the words of a Christ.

You are attacking strawmans. No one believes a spirit has flesh or bones. The spiritual body is not a spirit. A spiritual body is physical but a spirit is not.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Both can refer to a ghost which is also called a spirit.



He say "a" not "the".

Again context matters here. They see him but don't believe because they know he died. He said he isn't "spirit" but has flesh and bone. He is saying he isn't a ghost but is real.



You are attacking strawmans. No one believes a spirit has flesh or bones. The spiritual body is not a spirit. A spiritual body is physical but a spirit is not.

God is a spirit.
God has a body.
Are you telling me God has a physical body of flesh? God is a spirit, documented. God has a body, documented.
Spirits don’t have flesh and bone, documented.
So we now know there is a body that is spirit, with no flesh. God has one.
We also know there is a natural flesh body.
That’s it… two bodies, But you keep adding a spiritual flesh body, that is not spoken of anywhere in scripture.

 

[ewq1938]

God is a spirit.
God has a body.
Are you telling me God has a physical body of flesh?

Jesus certainly did.

So we now know there is a body that is spirit, with no flesh. God has one.

No, that isn't biblical. There is no third body which is spirit and no flesh.

There are TWO bodies, both are flesh. One is mortal flesh, one is immortal flesh.

We also know there is a natural flesh body.
That’s it… two bodies, But you keep adding a spiritual flesh body, that is not spoken of anywhere in scripture.

Actually you are doing that. I only believe in two bodies, both flesh. You have come up with a spirit body of no flesh which is not something that exists.

 

[JohnB]

Jesus certainly did.







No, that isn't biblical. There is no third body which is spirit and no flesh.

There are TWO bodies, both are flesh. One is mortal flesh, one is immortal flesh.





Actually you are doing that. I only believe in two bodies, both flesh. You have come up with a spirit body of no flesh which is not something that exists.

But you may not look directly at my face, for no one may see me and live.” The LORD continued, “Look, stand near me on this rock. As my glorious presence passes by, I will hide you in the crevice of the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. Then I will remove my hand and let you see me from behind. But my face will not be seen.” Exodus 33

 

[presidente]

@JohnB If you want to experience this stuff, double down on your prayers for a wifey in this lifey.

 

[Mem]

The implications of Jesus' statement to his disciples, even knowing even their thoughts, is that they wondered if He was "just" a spirit. Jesus is neither 'just' a spirit' nor 'just' a body.

 

[Jimbone]

I searched the verses in genesis where the word angel, malak, occurs and the lion's share of them are in reference to the LORD.
Notice even in Jacob's blessing upon Joseph's two sons
Genesis 48

15Then he blessed Joseph and said:

“May the God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked,

the God who has been my shepherd all my life to this day,

16the angelc who has redeemed me from all harm—

may He bless these boys.

16 c Or Angel 

And notice what God said in the Genesis 6 verse implied in the OP that allegedly calls angels 'sons of God' that saw that the daughters of men were beautiful took wives whomever they chose.

3So the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever,a for he is mortal; his days shall be 120 years.”

3 a LXX and Syriac My Spirit will not remain in man forever 

I know that Genesis records the descendants of Adam and how long they lived, but I'm wondering here. IS there any account that anyone died apart from Abel, whose life is cut short by Cain, up to this point? Is this the actual moment God's judgment that "ye shall surely die" is officially rendered?

Going by this chart, it seems that everyone was alive up to Noah's time. Enoch "did not see death" and this chart shows Adam dying after Noah has been born, by 50 or so years? And the chart shows most of those listed before his birth dying before the flood, but how long did it take Noah to actually build the ark from the time of God's pronouncement?

This is awesome! It's crazy to think that Shem would have known Methuselah, who BTW was himself alive while Adam was sill running around, and still lived long enough to have known Jacob. That's crazy they may have spoken to each other. We never really think about the overlap of some of these people. Or to be fair "I" haven't that often.

 

[Mem]

This is awesome! It's crazy to think that Shem would have known Methuselah, who BTW was himself alive while Adam was sill running around, and still lived long enough to have known Jacob. That's crazy they may have spoken to each other. We never really think about the overlap of some of these people. Or to be fair "I" haven't that often.

I find it particularly interesting that, though it is common knowledge that methuselahs' death 'brought the flood,' going by the chart, it is apparent that the flood caused Lamech's death.