Under Law or Under Grace

[romans113336]

These are not The Spirit.

LOL! Keep it up! Everyone here knows you're just being obstinate!

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

The Gentiles in Romans 2, it says, were "doers of the Law".
It explicitly teaches that the Spirit wrote God's Law on their hearts.
It explicitly states they were keeping God's statutes (vv26,27).

No. It does not.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

LOL! Keep it up! Everyone here knows you're just being obstinate!

You just know how to hit someone where it hurts. I have not done the same to you. I admitted a weakness since you were acting as my teacher.

 

[romans113336]

No. It does not.

Romans 2
13for it is not the hearers [n]of the Law who are [o]righteous before God, but the doers [p]of the Law who will be justified. 14For when Gentiles who do not have [q]the Law [r]instinctively perform the requirements of the Law, these, though not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts...
26So if the [ac]uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will his uncircumcision not be regarded as circumcision? 27And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who [ad]though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a violator [ae]of the Law?...
29But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from people, but from God.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

Romans 2
13for it is not the hearers [n]of the Law who are [o]righteous before God, but the doers [p]of the Law who will be justified. 14For when Gentiles who do not have [q]the Law [r]instinctively perform the requirements of the Law, these, though not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts...
26So if the [ac]uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will his uncircumcision not be regarded as circumcision? 27And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who [ad]though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a violator [ae]of the Law?...
29But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from people, but from God.

I don't know why you crossed this out.

 

[romans113336]

You just know how to hit someone where it hurts. I have not done the same to you. I admitted a weakness since you were acting as my teacher.

This thread is to straighten the issue out--and, as I said, at the beginning, those who oppose this view I am espousing are obstinate, and refuse to accept the truth no matter how plainly it is stated to them.

And here you are.

It has nothing at all to do with your "admissions"--it is plain for everyone to see!

 

[romans113336]

I don't know why you crossed this out.

Typo.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

This thread is to straighten the issue out--and, as I said, at the beginning, those who oppose this view I am espousing are obstinate, and refuse to accept the truth no matter how plainly it is stated to them.

And here you are.

It has nothing at all to do with your "admissions"--it is plain for everyone to see!

No. I have a weakness of being obstinate. As I said. It has nothing to do with anything that you have said. To be honest, I don't remember you saying that. I am not going to look.

 

[romans113336]

No. I have a weakness of being obstinate. As I said. It has nothing to do with anything that you have said. To be honest, I don't remember you saying that. I am not going to look.

I'm not asking you to go look, but anyone who wants to can.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

I'm not asking you to go look, but anyone who wants to can.

Of course.

 

[romans113336]

No. I have a weakness of being obstinate. As I said. It has nothing to do with anything that you have said. To be honest, I don't remember you saying that. I am not going to look.

So, you're admitting that truth can be spoken to you and you have the moral defect that you reject it.

Interesting admission.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

So, you're admitting that truth can be spoken to you and you have the moral defect that you reject it.

Interesting admission.

That is not what obstinate means, but okay. I don't think of it as anything moral. Nor do I consider it a defect. Just something I don't want to be.

 

[romans113336]

Of course.

So... I guess your involving yourself in this conversation is just a part of your obstinacy--seeing that you know you're going to be obstinate against rational arguments, defeating the entire purpose of "conversing"?

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

So... I guess your involving yourself in this conversation is just a part of your obstinacy--seeing that you know you're going to be obstinate against rational arguments, defeating the entire purpose of "conversing"?

No. I don't know where you get that. The word obstinate can be found in the dictionary. I am not an expert with it. And I don't know what it means apart from that.

 

[romans113336]

That is not what obstinate means, but okay. I don't think of it as anything moral. Nor do I consider it a defect. Just something I don't want to be.

I guess obstinacy is not a big deal, as long as you don't think witchcraft, iniquity and idolatry are a big deal.


1 Sam 15:23
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, He hath also rejected thee from being king.”

 

[romans113336]

No. I don't know where you get that. The word obstinate can be found in the dictionary. I am not an expert with it. And I don't know what it means apart from that.

Obstinate:
stubbornly refusing to change one's opinion or chosen course of action, despite attempts to persuade one to do so.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

I guess obstinacy is not a big deal, as long as you don't think witchcraft, iniquity and idolatry to be a big deal.


1 Sam 15:23

For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, He hath also rejected thee from being king.”

These sins are different from being obstinate. Being obstinate is stubbornly holding to ones opinion or rejecting what someone says.

 

[romans113336]

These sins are different from being obstinate. Being obstinate is stubbornly holding to ones opinion or rejecting what someone says.

Uh... when you are "stubborn" it means "not yielding" or "rebelling", encompassing all of these sins--again, though, this is just what the God of the Bible states, and you have a habit, at least as seen in this discussion, of tossing that behind you (Ps 50:17).

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

Uh... when you are "stubborn" it means "not yielding" or "rebelling", encompassing all of these sins--again, though, this is just what the God of the Bible states, and you have a habit, at least as seen in this discussion, of tossing that behind you (Ps 50:17).

Upon what basis have I done what wrong?

 

[romans113336]

Upon what basis have I done what wrong?

Reread the discussion.