"Is There More Than one Gospel?...

[oyster67]

MAD takes it a little too far when they draw from this that the Jews will not be saved until Jesus comes again.

Agree. This is just weird because the early Church almost completely consisted of Jews. Certainly, many unbelieving Jews will be grafted back during the Tribulation Period, but the why and how of it is no mystery. They will come to the acknowledgement of Jesus as Lord and Savior just like everyone else must. People seem to like to over-mystify things.

they were pickled in Moses who was everywhere preached among Jewry.

Yes. And many still are. Many pickles going into the Trib. Is this what is referred to as the "Remnant"?

"they will look upon Him whom they have pierced and mourn for Him as for a firstborn son"

Excellent verse. This is the Israel that shall "all be saved."

Abe, Ike and Jake with all the Jewish saints old and new testament, they's with us, or we are joined with them in the heavenly kingdom.

Yes. They were men of faith who knew God and walked with Him. They will not be numbered among the pickles. We will meet them when we are raptured up.

 

[Dino246]

The answer to the thread title question is simply "Yes".

Given that there is a false gospel and a true gospel, there are at least two. There can be (and indeed are) many false gospels.

However... there is only one true gospel.

 

[Clayman]

There is One gospel for those who can rightly divide the word, just as he teaches that it is the same one hope and faith for me as for Abraham or any one who has faith in God's Word.

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I think it would be more interesting helpful for you to tell us what type of gospel you believe jesus preached since you think it's a different gospel than Paul's. Bare in mind what Paul himself says. Basically, anyone who preches/teaches a different gospel than 'his' gospel is accursed. According to you guys (hyper dispensationalism) Paul and Jesus taught 2 different gospels.. You have a serious problem!

this guy is a disciple of Joseph prince and Paul Ellis is his problem the hypergrace doctrine has so many holes tbey eventually have to make the case for an entirely different Gospel based on Paul bekng converted to the church and appointed to preach the gospel to gentiles

there’s sadly no convincing the hypergrace roots because they arent based on scripture but hypergrace books that have twisted scripture to make millions selling “ revolutionary “ books on the “ real gospel “

The one thing hypergrace cannot do is acknolwedge Jesus and the gospel of the kingdom which is what Paul preached of course to Jews first and then Gentiles

And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬


they base everything on single verses like this

“But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭20:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Now this his proof tonthe. That there’s another gospel but

“the gospel of Jesus Christ the son of God “

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gospel of God

“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:1, 3‬ ‭

the glorious gospel of the blessed God

“according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the gospel of peace

“and your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

gospel of Christ

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:16‬ ‭

word of truth the gospel of salvation

“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

gospel of the kingdom

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭

also “ gospel of hope “ “ gospel of the kingdom of God “ gospel of the kk from of heaven “

any reference even if it’s just “ the gospel “ like this

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Of course there’s one gospel it’s recorded four times in scripture , Paul Is part of that commission to preach the gospel to the gentiles as well as Jews who received it first

And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Because Paul calls it “ the gospel of grace “ the gospel of peace “ the gospel of Hope “ the gospel of salvation “

ect this doesn’t then create a bunch of alternate gospels lol this hyoergrace stuff is silly huh ? But also a lot of people think it’s true ……

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

There's the debate as to whether or not "the gospel of the Kingdom" in Matthew is the same as the gospel of salvation,1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

Some say that the gospel of the kingdom is not a salvation gospel and I won't go down that rabbit trail to debate that here.
Maybe that's what the OP was referring to?
I don't know since he didn't say that.
There are various dispensational views depending on the pastor and his background.

What I will certainly agree with is that which you others have already said. There are numerous false gospels of "good works" (See Galatians).
There is but one true gospel of salvation.
That is the important point.
Our Independent Baptist brothers covered this point in five and a half minutes here. You guys will probably like this.

https://www.kjv1611only.com/video/15false/Destroying_Different_Gospels_Gene_Kim_&_Robert_Breaker.mp4

 

[romans113336]

...For many who have come to see and rejoice in what Paul called “the
preaching of Jesus Christ According To The Revelation Of The Mystery,”
that Revelation is so vast and touches upon so many subjects that they
are often at a loss as to where to begin to share it with those who need
to know.

Paul’s Distinctive preaching of The Gospel Of Grace is an excellent
place to start, for it shows that The Revelation is not a side issue but
a fundamental one...

...When we come to the New Testament, many details surrounding the teaching
and preaching of Christ show Major Distinctions between what the Bible calls
the Gospel of the Kingdom and The Gospel Of The Grace of God. The following
points show these Distinctions.

1. The Distinctive terminology alone would strongly imply a difference between
these Two Gospels...

The Gospel of the Kingdom is simply God’s good news about His kingdom,
a kingdom that was (and is) to be established on earth with Christ as king
(Jer. 23:5-6; Isa. 2:2-4; 11:1-9). It was prophesied by Israel’s prophets in
the Old Testament and proclaimed “at hand” in the New Testament.

The Gospel of the Grace of God is God’s Good News About His Grace Reigning
like a king on the throne (Rom. 5:20-21). It was a new Revelation that came to
Paul, the apostle, directly from The Resurrected Christ In Heaven
(Gal. 1:11-12; 2:2; Acts 20:24).

Both of these gospels deal with salvation from sin, but each address a
different people, at different times, and under different circumstances...

...7. Preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom, Christ spoke of giving His life “a
ransom for many” and His blood “shed for many” (Matt. 20:28; 26:28). This
would refer to His people Israel, for the angel of The LORD had commanded
Joseph that “thou shalt call His Name JESUS: for He Shall Save His people
from their sins” (Matt. 1:21). Israel was Jesus’ people, for He Himself was
a Jew.

Preaching The Gospel Of The Grace of God, Paul spoke of Christ, “Who Gave
Himself A Ransom for all, to be testified in due time” (1 Tim. 2:6). This Gospel
included both Jews and Gentiles. The due time for its proclamation was after
Israel rejected the preaching of the gospel of the kingdom under John, Jesus,
and the twelve. Paul was converted and commissioned to preach The Gospel
Of Grace to the whole world (Acts 26:16-20)...
"
(K Lawson)

FULL study Of All 12 Distinctive Points: Is There More Than one Gospel?

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GRACE And Peace...

Would you say Romans is "The Gospel of Grace"?

Most of "Romans" was written to the Jewish believers in the Roman Church (Ro 2:17 "You call yourself a Jew"; Ro 4:1 "Abraham our forefather according to the flesh"; Ro 7:1 "brothers (for I speak to those who know the Law)"--only at his greeting, in Ro 1, and, then, much later, in Ro 11, does he address Gentiles.

The Gentiles of those days were marked out as those who "Do not know the Law" (Ro 2:14), so all of Paul's pre-emptive defenses of his Gospel against the believing Jews' Scripture-based objections in the Epistle would have been lost on, and confusing to, Gentile ears.

He wasn't addressing them.

Again, as the text states, his "Gospel of Grace" was being preached to a believing Jewish audience.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

The Gospel of the King, that is Jesus, and the Gospel of his Kingdom, are the same. You are part of the Kingdom as Jesus is your King. Which is the Gospel of Grace.
As for ethnic jews, they are saved the same way anyone else is by Grace through Faith in the one Lord and King Jesus, and there most certainly are, just as it were in the day of the disciples many who are indeed saved. Ethnic Jews are not excluded from the Gospel read Romans 9,10, and 11. The letter to the Hebrews is now a book in the Bible, it was written to the Hebrew church which was comprised of saved ethnic Jews. They have the same gospel as everyone else on earth.

 

[Adstar]

There is only One Gospel people.. Don't be decieved..

 

[mailmandan]

The word "gospel" means "good news." Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom to Israel. John the Baptist also preached the gospel of the kingdom, which was, "..Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Matthew 3:2)

Jesus Christ sent the twelve to preach only to Israel. Matthew 10:5 - These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ The disciples were specifically told to go only to the people of Israel, and "Pre Cross" they were not yet preaching anything about the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. This shows that before the cross, the more distinct element to the content of the gospel of the grace of God that Paul taught and came to him through a revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12) was still a mystery.

In Matthew 16:15, Jesus Christ asked His disciples, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

Now Peter had no clue that Jesus Christ would be crucified, buried and resurrected, yet he did believe that Jesus was the Messiah. This is obvious when, only moments later, Peter rebukes Jesus Christ for saying he will be killed, and be raised again the third day" (Matthew 16:21). In verse 22, "..Peter took him and began to rebuke him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”

Before his death, Jesus told the twelve that he had to die and that he would rise on the third day. Looking back upon this passage we see this as Jesus speaking of an event that would change everything! However, it is unquestionable that the disciples were ignorant of its meaning.

“Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem...And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken. – Luke 18:31-34. hmm... that's strange if the further content of the gospel that came through a revelation of Jesus Christ to Paul and was a mystery prior to that has the exact same content as the gospel of the kingdom. *This is where we need to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.

After his crucifixion, instead of anxiously waiting his resurrection, the apostles were still ignorant, disheartened at the death of their redeemer, and did not even at first believe the testimony of his resurrection. (Mark 16:14, Luke 24:19-24) It was not until after his resurrection that Jesus appeared to the apostles and opened their understanding. (Luke 24:44-47)

I don't believe there are multiple gospels, yet through progressive revelation, there is a more distinctive element to the content of the gospel which Paul received from Christ and is called "the mystery of the gospel." (see Ephesians 6:19 and compare with Colossians 1:26-27; 4:3) This new revelation is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise. (Ephesians 3:6) Such equality, Jew and Gentile united together in one body was previously unknown. The distinctive message of the church is that Jew and Gentile alike may believe the gospel and be united together into one body. (Ephesians 1:13; 1 Corinthians 12:13)

 

[turbosixx]

The Gospel of the King, that is Jesus, and the Gospel of his Kingdom, are the same. You are part of the Kingdom as Jesus is your King. Which is the Gospel of Grace.
As for ethnic jews, they are saved the same way anyone else is by Grace through Faith in the one Lord and King Jesus, and there most certainly are, just as it were in the day of the disciples many who are indeed saved. Ethnic Jews are not excluded from the Gospel read Romans 9,10, and 11. The letter to the Hebrews is now a book in the Bible, it was written to the Hebrew church which was comprised of saved ethnic Jews. They have the same gospel as everyone else on earth.

I agree. It's interesting that the conversation today is does the gospel apply to Jews but at the beginning the question was does it apply to the Gentile.

I get the feeling the Jews were almost bummed that Gentiles are saved the same as them.
Acts 11:18 When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, “Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life.”

 

[studentoftheword]

Yeah, so how does Jesus save his people..?

How does Jesus save the Jews differently than the Gentiles?

Now remember Paul as Acts tells us made it his habit to go to the Jews first.. Then the Gentiles. Does jesus save the Jews in a different way than the Gentiles.? Since Paul tells us we are now one.. Jew and gentile, and that the Gentiles have been grafted in.

I say
This statement you make here ------

Now remember Paul as Acts tells us made it his habit to go to the Jews first..-----

I say --Paul"s calling was to preach to the Gentiles ---but when the opportunity arose --he did preach to the Jews hoping to convince some to accept the Good News -------and he encountered much grief from the Jews for trying to preach to them if you read the book of Acts ---Perter was the Apostle preaching to the Jews ------

You ask here
Does jesus save the Jews in a different way than the Gentiles.?


I say ---yes ---The Jews have to receive Jesus the same way as the Gentiles to be saved ------but the Jews refuse to acknowledge Jesus as their Saviour -------some Jews have been saved by Grace through faith in Jesus ----many remain unsaved -----

This is one response that Paul got from the Jews he tried to preach to ------


Acts 18:5-6

Amplified Bible

5 but when Silas and Timothy came down from Macedonia (northern Greece), Paul began devoting himself completely to [preaching] the word, and solemnly testifying to the Jews that Jesus is the Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed).

But since the Jews kept resisting and opposing him, and blaspheming [God], he [a]shook out his robe and said to them, “Your blood (damnation) be on your own heads! I am innocent of it. From now on I will go to the Gentiles.”

 

[Jimbone]

Through the cross which was hidden since the world began. He was preparing them to receive him. It wasn't revealed until after it happened. But they rejected the resurrection of their Messiah. God turned to the Gentiles with the preaching of the cross.

And they were judged for doing so. You're 100% right, they did reject their Messiah, and just like Jesus said in the "The Parable of the Tenants" and the "The Parable of the fig tree". There is nothing in these about a "later" for the tenants or the tree that produced no fruit, the people were put to death, and the tree was cut down and burned. I have a very hard time finding in scripture where you get the idea that God just hit's "pause" on the Jews.

What you say is true and they did reject Jesus, they cried out "let His blood be on our heads and the heads of our children". Jesus tells them exactly when this hammer was coming down in Matthew 24 when He says that their "generation will not pass away before all these things take place", and even tells the ladies on the way to the cross to not weep for Him, but "weep for your children". The whole time from the very beginning of John's ministry, "repent for the kingdom is AT HAND". There is so much deeper we can go into that alone, just all the ways Jesus told them that His kingdom was right here, just about to drop. The Messiah was coming to bring redemption and to bring judgement. It all happen exactly as He said it would. The end of that age and beginning of His kingdom. We can also quickly mention the way He described His kingdom being of the nature that you can't point to it and say "there it is, His kingdom is over there", also described it as being planted and growing like a mustard seed, working it's way through, like leaven through a lot of dough. Jesus told us ALL authority in heaven and ON EARTH are His, and is now seated at the right hand of God. David tells us in Psalms 110 "The LORD said to my Lord: "Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet." Well He's sitting, and Paul tells us in 1 Cor "For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet."

This doesn't even consider or mention the fact that our history even backs these things up, I have no idea why anyone would not be EXCITED about these things. We are not told we are going to be beat down until Jesus comes and bails us out, also bringing a kingdom we could point to and say "there it is", He didn't command us to hunker down and try to hold out until He comes to "wreak shop", no He commands us "Go and make disciples of ALL nations", even kings will bow. Even today that is happening on a much bigger scale than we'd think, yet we don't feel it here so much if we only consume the media they feed us. Heard anything about the church in China lately? How about South America? Even here in America God is still very much active outside of the devils outlets of information. I know many Christians do not believe this way, heck I'm in the middle of pre-trib country, I am the tiny minority in my neck of the woods, yet I just feel in my experience that this eschatological framework just fits His world SO much better, and without charts, assumptions, and a guru to understand it. When I step back and objectively look at it, only one of these two view doesn't rely on adding to the scripture. At least from my point of view.

I understand this is a very touchy subject and people get very passionate about it. I'm just sharing what He has open my eye's to, and while I've been taught the pre-trib view exclusively in every church I've attended, I am also willing to hear out others point of view to keep learning. One thing I have decided after many discussions about this subject is I will not get into any "back and forth" debates over it. I will share the way I've come to understand these things and be MORE than happy to get into any point or idea deeper and defend my understanding of the scripture, and/or discuss anything seriously about it, but trying to go tit for tat with gotcha points, or unthoughtful standard "debunking's" with no actual interactions, just two people teaching past each other is pointless. These go nowhere and I've been WAY to guilty of doing this myself. That's why I've decided to share what I believe, have a defense for why I believe what I do, but not let my pride get in the way of my discernment and doing what's best for His names sake.

 

[presidente]

After the kingdom was postponed because the Jews rejected their Messiah, the gospel given to Paul is the only gospel to be preached. The gospel of the kingdom is not to be preached anymore.

Paul speaking here. Acts 20
25 “And indeed, now I know that you all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, will see my face no more.
(NKJV)

 

[John146]

Paul speaking here. Acts 20
25 “And indeed, now I know that you all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, will see my face no more.
(NKJV)

Yes, Paul preached the kingdom of God, the spiritual kingdom of righteousness through Christ. This is not to be equated to the gospel of the kingdom. The gospel of the kingdom is to the Jews concerning the promise restoration of the kingdom of Israel.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The gospel of the kingdom is to the Jews concerning the promise restoration of the kingdom of Israel.

But not apart from faith in Christ and His finished work. That is where the error lies. The Gospel of the Kingdom encompasses all of this. Even today, the full Gospel must include the fact that Christ will establish His Kingdom on earth, and at the same time His death, burial, and resurrection must be preached. And in fact there is a lot more to the Gospel.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Every Christian and every preacher has the Bible. So why is it that the fullness of the Gospel is not been presented as it should be (and presented in-depth). I believe Satan does not want the full Gospel to be properly presented.

 

[studentoftheword]

I believe Satan does not want the full Gospel to be properly presented.

I fully agree with this statement ------Satan will do everything he can to stop the true Gospel from being preached -----Satan wants the believer's Faith to fail so he can sift us like wheat -----we need to get our Faith grounded and rooted in the Word who is Jesus so it stays secure when Satan tries to steal our Faith from us ---

Luke 22 ESV
Jesus Foretells Peter's Denial
31 “Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you,[a] that he might sift you like wheat, 32 but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned again, strengthen your brothers.”

 

[presidente]

Yes, Paul preached the kingdom of God, the spiritual kingdom of righteousness through Christ. This is not to be equated to the gospel of the kingdom. The gospel of the kingdom is to the Jews concerning the promise restoration of the kingdom of Israel.

You can type whatever you want as long as God allows you to live and move your fingers, but I don't find your argument convincing. At least it is not appropriate to call this a different 'gospel.' Jews and Gentiles are justified the same way. The teachings of the kingdom fall under the broader understanding of what constitutes the 'gospel.'

 

[John146]

But not apart from faith in Christ and His finished work. That is where the error lies. The Gospel of the Kingdom encompasses all of this. Even today, the full Gospel must include the fact that Christ will establish His Kingdom on earth, and at the same time His death, burial, and resurrection must be preached. And in fact there is a lot more to the Gospel.

The gospel Paul taught had gone out in all the world, was preached to every creature under heaven, and went out to all nations. If his gospel was the gospel of the kingdom, then why hasn’t the end of the world come?

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

 

[John146]

You can type whatever you want as long as God allows you to live and move your fingers, but I don't find your argument convincing. At least it is not appropriate to call this a different 'gospel.' Jews and Gentiles are justified the same way. The teachings of the kingdom fall under the broader understanding of what constitutes the 'gospel.'

see post 39