Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

[BrianMeir]

Baby steps, what was never taught by Jesus?



Do you believe in the trinity, do you believe Jesus is deity?




Well you have the last sentence correct. Jesus was pretty straightforward about it, pretty confident about who He was when He said " I am the way, truth and life, no man comes to the Father but by me".




I don't doubt that you do believe it. But what we believe has to line up with the Word, Jesus just told us, there is no other way. Our experiences don't change the Truth.




Well Paul advocated for Jesus, and his salvation was from night to day. He was murdering Christians one minute and then a Christ follower the next.


1. Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ

A pretty strong statement of support here, Paul counts everything a loss, but it's excrement to him, because he has gained Christ.


2. 1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Paul says Jesus is the foundation!!


3. 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Jesus is the light of the Gospel and of the world. Paul understood this.



4. Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Jesus is our deliverer Paul says.


5. Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ

Paul said Jesus was the perfect man.


6. Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

He stated that Jesus was the head of the church. No one else.



7. 2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Paul knew that Jesus was the judge of all.



8. Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

And among other things Paul said about Christ, he said He is both the AUTHOR and FINISHER of our faith;

Reading these things I would say Paul was a pretty big advocate for Jesus.

I still think that Paul was creating theology about Jesus from his own ideas over Jesus's words and the scripture. What makes Paul so convincing is that he makes Christ the centerpiece of Christianity, but if you go back to the previous verse to what you quoted, he wrote this:

"According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each man must be careful how he builds on it."
— 1 Corinthians 3:10

Then, in the next verse, which you quoted, he says Jesus is that foundation. But clearly Paul takes credit for laying the foundation.

Well which is greater: the foundation, or the architect of the foundation?

Clearly Paul put himself before Jesus.

"on the day when, according to MY gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus."
— Romans 2:16

The bulk of his ideas are pretty much from his own personal revelation. He repeatedly validated himself through his own claims to authenticity. His descriptions about Christ were not derived from previous scripture or teachings of Jesus. Also, how do we know Jesus despised the shame of the cross? A humble man does not despise shame. A humble man forgives.

I am getting worn down by so many people uniting against me here. I can't address every point made.

 

[BrianMeir]

So what does Biden's son have to do with Trump's wretched character and vile mouth?

I think this a good example of overcoming deflecting the question.

 

[Cameron143]

Choosing to not respond is honorable. Responding only to tell someone their words are full of errors but aren't worth your time and instead you are going to pray for them is backhanded. It would have been honorable if he hadn't said anything at all.

This is a misrepresentation of what happened. I never said you weren't worth the time. You are made in the image of God. You have eternal value. But you have a number of flaws in your doctrine and you don't seem interested in exploring them; only defending them. So I pray for someone in that estate and look for future opportunities to share when a person seems more receptive. Perhaps that will be the case in the future.

 

[ZNP]

So what does Biden's son have to do with Trump's wretched character and vile mouth?

Hunter Biden gave 10% to his dad based on his own words, and according to Devon Archer Hunter was selling influence with his dad. For example one person who bought Hunter's painting got an aambassor appointment from Joe Bribehim.

 

[ZNP]

2Peter 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

 

[BrianMeir]

So what does Biden's son have to do with Trump's wretched character and vile mouth?

Hunter Biden gave 10% to his dad based on his own words, and according to Devon Archer Hunter was selling influence with his dad. For example one person who bought Hunter's painting got an aambassor appointment from Joe Bribehim.

So to answer the question you responded to, nothing.

 

[cv5]

I still think that Paul was creating theology about Jesus from his own ideas over Jesus's words and the scripture. What makes Paul so convincing is that he makes Christ the centerpiece of Christianity, but if you go back to the previous verse to what you quoted, he wrote this:

"According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each man must be careful how he builds on it."
— 1 Corinthians 3:10

Then, in the next verse, which you quoted, he says Jesus is that foundation. But clearly Paul takes credit for laying the foundation.

Well which is greater: the foundation, or the architect of the foundation?

Clearly Paul put himself before Jesus.

"on the day when, according to MY gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus."
— Romans 2:16

The bulk of his ideas are pretty much from his own personal revelation. He repeatedly validated himself through his own claims to authenticity. His descriptions about Christ were not derived from previous scripture or teachings of Jesus. Also, how do we know Jesus despised the shame of the cross? A humble man does not despise shame. A humble man forgives.

I am getting worn down by so many people uniting against me here. I can't address every point made.

I will tell you what:
Why don't you produce a "higher criticism" tome with your musings.
It will probably be a big hit on todays seminary/university circuit. A must read best seller for sure.

Of course, I vehemently and categorically DISAGREE with your assessment of Paul.
But if you want to go full bird apostate, you might as well go all the way and rub shoulders with your peer group to boot.

 

[BrianMeir]

I will tell you what:
Why don't you produce a "higher criticism" tome with your musings.
It will probably be a big hit on todays seminary/university circuit. A must read best seller for sure.

Of course, I vehemently and categorically DISAGREE with your assessment of Paul.
But if you want to go full bird apostate, you might as well go all the way and rub shoulders with your peer group to boot.

You guys are vehemently disagreeing for sure, but you're not really analyzing scripture with me. When you do post scripture, you don't draw analytical conclusions from it, and no one has analytically countered my analytical scriptural points and counterpoints.

It seems to me that you are emotionally linked to a faith in the infallibility of Paul's words. I am trying to tell you that you really shouldn't put so much faith in him. He wasn't Jesus. Maybe my suspicions about his effective usurpation of Jesus are wrong, but he is not the equal of the Lord. It is his status next to Jesus that concerns me, and you should be careful whom you support, and whom you depose, because I am strongly supporting the Lord Jesus. You are clearly fighting on Paul's behalf, but are you fighting on Jesus's behalf?

 

[BrianMeir]

So what does Biden's son have to do with Trump's wretched character and vile mouth?

Hey True Believer,

I read through half the search results of your posts, and I like what you have to say. I like your style. You seem intelligent and grounded to me. You wanna message me?

-Brian

 

[ZNP]

So to answer the question you responded to, nothing.

but the question wasn't his, it was CV5 --
Or that "Robert Peters" aka Joe Biden guy.

You know......the guy with the dozens of shell companies set up strictly for the purpose of laundering the slush fund $$$ cash $$$ from crooked politicians? The guy with the porn/coke addict son who is on the run for same and also gun violations and IRS crimes?

So if you want to rebuke someone for a non sequitor it is True-Believer or yourself.

 

[ZNP]

I will tell you what:
Why don't you produce a "higher criticism" tome with your musings.
It will probably be a big hit on todays seminary/university circuit. A must read best seller for sure.

Of course, I vehemently and categorically DISAGREE with your assessment of Paul.
But if you want to go full bird apostate, you might as well go all the way and rub shoulders with your peer group to boot.

Anyone who departs from the word of God has already gone full apostate.

 

[ZNP]

Anyone who departs from the word of God has already gone full apostate.

Act 15:23 with the following letter: “The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions,

25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

All of the Apostles and prophets received Paul's ministry. Mark who was rebuked by Paul became a coworker, Peter who was rebuked gave him his seal of approval. Therefore if you reject Paul you reject every book of the New Testament except for the gospel of Matthew. That is a full on apostate.

 

[BrianMeir]

Here you go genius.....

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1706582044245905450

https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...ence-covid-19-mrna-vaccines-alter-dna-people/

You might want to find a more reputable source to back up your information than a Twitter tweet. Something along the reputability lines of what I am linking to.

Bear in mind that the supposed problems you have with the COVID vaccine were problems supposedly discovered in the polio vaccine. If you had attacked the polio vaccine, nobody would have listened to you because the polio vaccine was so essential.

 

[cv5]

https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...ence-covid-19-mrna-vaccines-alter-dna-people/

You might want to find a more reputable source to back up your information than a Twitter tweet. Something along the reputability lines of what I am linking to.

Bear in mind that the supposed problems you have with the COVID vaccine were problems supposedly discovered in the polio vaccine. If you had attacked the polio vaccine, nobody would have listened to you because the polio vaccine was so essential.

Well then......get your boosters genius. All of them.
Me and my family? Of course not. Too well informed.

 

[cv5]

Anyone who departs from the word of God has already gone full apostate.

Evidently, he believes 100% in the COVID religion and doctrine. Every word of it true, all of which are coming from men divinely inspired all sanctioned by heaven above.

Whereas he considers Paul the greatest fraud, villain and deceiver in all of Church history. And whose every word are veritable drops of venom dripping from the wicked fangs of the red dragon himself.

Thats quite the divergence from reality is it not?

 

[cv5]

What's wretched about Trump's character, and vile about his mouth? Are you trying to say that Biden and the host of politicians Trump is calling out are better? If so, lol. If not, please explain.

How DARE Trump speak his mind plainly the good old fashioned 1st amendment protected American way!

HOW DARE HE!

 

[cv5]

Another epic fail for Grande Cuba Norte.
And their dear leader Justin "Fidel" Castreau.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1706113632541565295

 

[ZNP]

Evidently, he believes 100% in the COVID religion and doctrine. Every word of it true, all of which are coming from men divinely inspired all sanctioned by heaven above.

Whereas he considers Paul the greatest fraud, villain and deceiver in all of Church history. And whose every word are veritable drops of venom dripping from the wicked fangs of the red dragon himself.

Thats quite the divergence from reality is it not?

He says that Biden is the moral choice over Trump, that he is certain there is nothing wrong with the vaccine, and that Paul's epistles contradict the words of Jesus.

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

 

[cv5]

He says that Biden is the moral choice over Trump, that he is certain there is nothing wrong with the vaccine, and that Paul's epistles contradict the words of Jesus.

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

May his words come back to haunt him.

 

[ZNP]

Another epic fail for Grande Cuba Norte.
And their dear leader Justin "Fidel" Castreau.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1706113632541565295

Where are all those people who were screaming nazi and fascist 4 years ago?