That is a very unfair response. I put diligent thoughts and conscientious work into what I wrote. I am very willing to listen to reason. But if you think it is better to withhold correction from me and merely pray for me from a distance instead, then may the Lord do the same unto you. Besides, doesn't the Bible say somewhere that to pray for someone while deliberately choosing to not help them is wicked?
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Well, it couldn't have been that bad. After all, Jesus tutored Paul PERSONALLY for three years. And granted him a bodily rapture to the third heaven. So lets all consider that Paul had God's stamp of approval shall we? Please?
2Co 12:2
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth, such an one caught up G726 to the third heaven.
2Co 12:4
How that he was caught up G726 into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Outline of Biblical Usage
ἁρπάζω harpázō, har-pad'-zo; from a derivative of G138; to seize (in various applications):—catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force).
2Co 12:2
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth, such an one caught up G726 to the third heaven.
2Co 12:4
How that he was caught up G726 into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Outline of Biblical Usage
- to seize, carry off by force
- to seize on, claim for one's self eagerly
- to snatch out or away
ἁρπάζω harpázō, har-pad'-zo; from a derivative of G138; to seize (in various applications):—catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force).
He said that Jesus never taught justification by faith alone apart from the Law. I responded with this:
I think this is the crux of the argument, so let's consider this point.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Jesus was asked the way to the Father and He didn't say, "Keep the law". On the flip side He said that Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
So then, according to the law how do you "come unto the father"?
What is this "new and living way" that Hebrews talks about, that is a fulfillment of the law, that aligns with what Jesus said about no one coming unto the Father but by me?
According to the law you can only come unto the Father on the day of atonement, and you can only enter the Holy of Holies if you are the High Priest and you have the atoning blood of the sacrifice. Jesus is telling us that His blood is that sacrifice, He is the High Priest, He is the one that opened the curtain to the Holy of Holies with His death. That is the fulfillment of the law. The blood of Bulls and goats only lasted for a year, and ever since Jesus crucifixion is no longer effective (rabbinical records prove this, after the crucifixion the day of Atonement never resulted in the proof that the sacrifice was accepted).
This is what Paul is telling us, salvation is being able to come unto the Father, there is no way without us receiving the atoning sacrifice of Jesus.
Paul never disparages good works, he always condemns the works of the flesh, but the biggest deceit was that you could be saved by your good works. There is only one way according to the law to be forgiven of sins and that is with the shedding of blood, and the law testifies that the only blood accepted by God to forgive your sins is the blood of Jesus. That is Paul's message and that is also Jesus message.
In conclusion, justification by faith alone is not Paul's idea, it is written in the law clear as day, and Jesus knew it, John the Baptist knew it, and that is why he told us that Jesus was the lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world.
I think this is the crux of the argument, so let's consider this point.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Jesus was asked the way to the Father and He didn't say, "Keep the law". On the flip side He said that Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
So then, according to the law how do you "come unto the father"?
What is this "new and living way" that Hebrews talks about, that is a fulfillment of the law, that aligns with what Jesus said about no one coming unto the Father but by me?
According to the law you can only come unto the Father on the day of atonement, and you can only enter the Holy of Holies if you are the High Priest and you have the atoning blood of the sacrifice. Jesus is telling us that His blood is that sacrifice, He is the High Priest, He is the one that opened the curtain to the Holy of Holies with His death. That is the fulfillment of the law. The blood of Bulls and goats only lasted for a year, and ever since Jesus crucifixion is no longer effective (rabbinical records prove this, after the crucifixion the day of Atonement never resulted in the proof that the sacrifice was accepted).
This is what Paul is telling us, salvation is being able to come unto the Father, there is no way without us receiving the atoning sacrifice of Jesus.
Paul never disparages good works, he always condemns the works of the flesh, but the biggest deceit was that you could be saved by your good works. There is only one way according to the law to be forgiven of sins and that is with the shedding of blood, and the law testifies that the only blood accepted by God to forgive your sins is the blood of Jesus. That is Paul's message and that is also Jesus message.
In conclusion, justification by faith alone is not Paul's idea, it is written in the law clear as day, and Jesus knew it, John the Baptist knew it, and that is why he told us that Jesus was the lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world.
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Baby steps, what was never taught by Jesus?
Do you believe in the trinity, do you believe Jesus is deity?
Well you have the last sentence correct. Jesus was pretty straightforward about it, pretty confident about who He was when He said " I am the way, truth and life, no man comes to the Father but by me".
I don't doubt that you do believe it. But what we believe has to line up with the Word, Jesus just told us, there is no other way. Our experiences don't change the Truth.
Well Paul advocated for Jesus, and his salvation was from night to day. He was murdering Christians one minute and then a Christ follower the next.
1. Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ
A pretty strong statement of support here, Paul counts everything a loss, but it's excrement to him, because he has gained Christ.
2. 1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Paul says Jesus is the foundation!!
3. 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Jesus is the light of the Gospel and of the world. Paul understood this.
4. Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Jesus is our deliverer Paul says.
5. Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ
Paul said Jesus was the perfect man.
6. Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
He stated that Jesus was the head of the church. No one else.
7. 2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
Paul knew that Jesus was the judge of all.
8. Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
And among other things Paul said about Christ, he said He is both the AUTHOR and FINISHER of our faith;
Reading these things I would say Paul was a pretty big advocate for Jesus.
Do you believe in the trinity, do you believe Jesus is deity?
Well you have the last sentence correct. Jesus was pretty straightforward about it, pretty confident about who He was when He said " I am the way, truth and life, no man comes to the Father but by me".
I don't doubt that you do believe it. But what we believe has to line up with the Word, Jesus just told us, there is no other way. Our experiences don't change the Truth.
Well Paul advocated for Jesus, and his salvation was from night to day. He was murdering Christians one minute and then a Christ follower the next.
1. Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ
A pretty strong statement of support here, Paul counts everything a loss, but it's excrement to him, because he has gained Christ.
2. 1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Paul says Jesus is the foundation!!
3. 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Jesus is the light of the Gospel and of the world. Paul understood this.
4. Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Jesus is our deliverer Paul says.
5. Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ
Paul said Jesus was the perfect man.
6. Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
He stated that Jesus was the head of the church. No one else.
7. 2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
Paul knew that Jesus was the judge of all.
8. Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
And among other things Paul said about Christ, he said He is both the AUTHOR and FINISHER of our faith;
Reading these things I would say Paul was a pretty big advocate for Jesus.
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You are a judge, you have judged many people on this platform, and the only person you have judged to be honorable is yourself. You are the very thing that you have condemned Paul for. However, even though he said he was a Hebrew of the Hebrews he also said he counted that as dung. I think I would like to see what the final judgement is from Jesus.