God's ONE Baptism For His Body!

[romans113336]

Why did they still need to be baptized?

That is the command of Christ!

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

I'm not going to read whole treatises.
Maybe they have a summation you can share.

Summation of God's Word, Rightly Divided:

( earthly ) nation of Israel = gospel of the 'kingdom' assembly
with water baptism for the remission of sins and induction
into the priesthood [ faith plus works ]

God's Context:
prophecy / Covenants (ot / nt) / law

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

God's [ New And Different! ] Other Context: [ Heavenly ] Mystery / Grace
with Salvation By Grace Through faith in The Gospel Of Grace, and
One [ No water ] Baptism 'By' The One Holy Spirit for Translation Into
The One Body Of Christ, seated In The Heavenlies!

Two Different groups / assemblies / gr: ekklesia churches...

Amen.

 

[Magenta]

Cornelius was not a son of God until baptized into Christ, and thereby as we are too, became a son of
God by adoption. You must be "in Christ" and Cornelius was nor "in Christ" until baptized into Christ.

Galatians 3:26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith,

 

[romans113336]

Summation of God's Word, Rightly Divided:

( earthly ) nation of Israel = gospel of the 'kingdom' assembly
with water baptism for the remission of sins and induction
into the priesthood [ faith plus works ]

God's Context:
prophecy / Covenants (ot / nt) / law

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

God's [ New And Different! ] Other Context: [ Heavenly ] Mystery / Grace
with Salvation By Grace Through faith in The Gospel Of Grace, and
One [ No water ] Baptism 'By' The One Holy Spirit for Translation Into
The One Body Of Christ, seated In The Heavenlies!

Two Different groups / assemblies / gr: ekklesia churches...

Amen.

What problem is this solving?

 

[romans113336]

Summation of God's Word, Rightly Divided:

( earthly ) nation of Israel = gospel of the 'kingdom' assembly
with water baptism for the remission of sins and induction
into the priesthood [ faith plus works ]

God's Context:
prophecy / Covenants (ot / nt) / law

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

God's [ New And Different! ] Other Context: [ Heavenly ] Mystery / Grace
with Salvation By Grace Through faith in The Gospel Of Grace, and
One [ No water ] Baptism 'By' The One Holy Spirit for Translation Into
The One Body Of Christ, seated In The Heavenlies!

Two Different groups / assemblies / gr: ekklesia churches...

Amen.

Are you one of those people who say there are two different Gospels, one for Jews, one for Gentiles?

 

[turbosixx]

Briefly:
Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27;
Romans 6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB!)
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Expanded Version, For your Edification/spiritual Building Up!, follows:

God’s Doctrine of ONE Baptism Under HIS GRACE!​

Grace and Peace! To ALL Dear Readers who have Persevered
through the many previous baptisms, and have come to this
point of Weighing ALL Of God’s Scriptural Evidence In HIS Very
Critically Important Doctrine Of Baptisms!

Is God’s Doctrine of ONE Baptism, as many think, water?

We are Spiritually Identified With (Baptized Into) CHRIST, HIS
Crucifixion, HIS Death, HIS Burial, And HIS Resurrection!
(Sounds like The Greatest News I've Ever heard!), so…

...some of The Confirming Scriptures:

Romans 6:3 ...Baptized Into JESUS CHRIST...Baptized Into HIS Death!

Romans 6:4 ...Buried With HIM By Baptism Into Death!

Romans 6:6 ...Crucified (JESUS' Baptism?) With HIM! - And also:

“For as many of you as Have Been BAPTIZED Into
CHRIST Have Put On CHRIST!” (Galatians 3:27!)

How does a physical ritual "Baptize us into a Spiritual Organism"?

In addition, there is NO water Found “In God's Context” Of Any Of
These Baptism Passages! }, Precious friend(s), do you Agree With God?
Or, can we simply Add/Infer water into HIS Context "to fit" another view?

With The SuperNatural Help Of The Blessed Holy Spirit, And Comparing
Spiritual Scripture WITH Spiritual Scriptures (1 Corinthians 2:13!),
This ONE Baptism Makes us Spiritually:

“COMPLETE In HIM, WHO Is The Head Of ALL principality and power!”
(Colossians 2:10!), having:

“...The Circumcision Made WITHOUT HANDS { God’s Operation? }
...The Circumcision Of CHRIST!” (Colossians 2:11!), And Spiritually:

“Buried With HIM In BAPTISM, Wherein Also ye Are Risen With
HIM Through The Faith Of THE OPERATION Of God, Who
Hath RAISED HIM From The Dead!” (Colossians 2:12!), AND
Further:

“Not by works of righteousness {water?} which we have done, But
According To HIS Mercy HE SAVED us By The WASHING of REGENERATION
{Operation Of God’s BLOOD? }, And RENEWING Of The Holy Ghost!” (Titus 3:5!)

“Which HE Shed on us Abundantly Through JESUS CHRIST our SAVIOUR!”
(Titus 3:6!)

This Should “Complete The Spiritual OPERATION” of The Triune GodHead,
But, Are we done “Comparing ALL The Scriptures” Of The ONE Baptism?
All diligent students Should see That, In:

The Revelation Of The Mystery (Gospel Of GRACE For "us Today”),
with a Prayerful and Careful study, Rightly Divided, God Teaches:

Ephesians 4:5 KJB, Clearly States: “...One LORD, one faith, ONE BAPTISM...”
{perchance Paul was mistaken, and he really meant two?}

So, What Saith The Holy Scriptures “In It's Context,” About This ONE Baptism?:

“Endeavouring to keep The Unity Of The Spirit in the bond of Peace!
There is One Body, and One Spirit, even as ye are called in One hope
of your calling; One LORD, One faith, ONE Baptism, One God And Father
of ALL, Who Is Above ALL, and through All, and In you All!”
(Ephesians 4:3-6!)

Are we All Really "endeavouring to keep this "Unity"?

Now, unless we are mistaken, there are 3 choices of understanding
God’s Context In This Critically Important Passage!:

1) all “physical” { Wrong "unity" } = Destruction of “HIS Context," agreed?

2) “combo” of 6 Spiritual + 1 “physical,” lifted “out, and”

​

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“isolated”​

From HIS Context, to be interpreted as: “water” baptism =
Destruction { NO Unity! } Of God's Context, agreed?

3) These Seven Unities Of God's Spirit are All Spiritual, so
now we kindly/humbly ask, Is God’s ONE Baptism “Spiritual”?

Let us, Finally:
Make ONE More "Scriptural Comparison" (1 Corinthians 2 : 13!), And Ask:
“What Saith The Scripture?” And, The ONE Answer we hear, From God, IS:

For 'BY' ONE Spirit are we all Baptized Into ONE Body, whether
we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; And Have
Been ALL Made To Drink Into ONE Spirit!" (1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB!)

UNITED! Or Severely Divided?

If This "ONE BAPTISM" Is Not = “The OPERATION Of God,”
then we would have to concede that it is:

men & religion with ‘water' that saves us – any takers?

{ Please advise: Is it not sin to take God’s “Spiritual Operation" Of "ONE
Baptism," and for men To “ADD to IT Or Replace IT with” water? Is this
[ Wrongly Combining, instead of "Rightly Dividing, God's Word of Truth" ]
not why the “weak And Severely Divided Church” is Thoroughly Confused? }

“For God Is not The Author of confusion, but Of PEACE,
as in ALL churches of the saints!” (1 Corinthians 14:33 KJB!)
Amen?

Thus, All True Believers who come to God, In The Way God Has
Prescribed In His HOLY WORD, By The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God,
And Place Complete 100% faith In:

The LORD JESUS CHRIST, In HIS Precious BLOOD, And In HIS Resurrection!

Will ALWAYS have spiritual UNITY!, In:

God's “Spiritual OPERATION” Of Eternal Salvation For EverMore! Amen?

Are All in "agreement With God" with your Final Verdict Of HIS Truth!?
(1 Corinthians 1:9-18 cp Romans 15:6; Philippians 1:27!)

IF so, could that Really be the start of practical earthly UNITY Of
The Already "spiritually UNITED ( members one of another!” ), Church
{ In Heaven! }, Which Is HIS Body, Of CHRIST!? (Ephesians 4:3 KJB!)

And, That "fellowship Based On" our mutual FAITH In CHRIST!
{ instead of VARIOUS Unsound water doctrines! } Amen?

Please pray for this “Unity Of The Spirit In The Bond Of Peace!” And,
thanks kindly For Your Patient Review of This Critically Important study!

ONE BAPTISM Video IF you wish...

And, Please Be Very RICHLY Blessed!
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LORD JESUS, thank You for This Precious Word Of Truth That Has Solved my
"confusion." May This Also be used for the Encouragement of Many others.
Amen.

It looks to me like you're going into this with a preconceived notion. Might I suggest we establish what baptism is/does by starting at the beginning and working up to "one baptism" which was written much later.

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God 4 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God
We see here the gospel began with water baptism. This baptism was for repentance and did not forgiveness sins.

After Jesus's sacrifice, baptism changes from for repentance to "in the name of" Jesus. He sends the apostles out to convert sinners in the great commission found in Matt. 28 and Mark 16. He says Matt. 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, I'm sure everyone would agree this is water baptism.
Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Can we agree that Jesus instructed the apostles to make disciples by baptizing them "in the name of" Jesus and that whoever is made a disciple is one who believes and is baptized so as to be added to Christ and therefore saved?

 

[turbosixx]

It looks to me like you're going into this with a preconceived notion. Might I suggest we establish what baptism is/does by starting at the beginning and working up to "one baptism" which was written much later.

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God 4 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God
We see here the gospel began with water baptism. This baptism was for repentance and did not forgiveness sins.

After Jesus's sacrifice, baptism changes from for repentance to "in the name of" Jesus. He sends the apostles out to convert sinners in the great commission found in Matt. 28 and Mark 16. He says Matt. 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, I'm sure everyone would agree this is water baptism.
Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Can we agree that Jesus instructed the apostles to make disciples by baptizing them "in the name of" Jesus and that whoever is made a disciple is one who believes and is baptized so as to be added to Christ and therefore saved?

I didn't get Mark 1:4 in there. John appeared, baptizing in the wilderness and proclaiming a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

 

[DJT_47]

Yet Cornelius was baptized by Christ, Who "baptizes in Spirit and fire", the supreme baptism?

John said, "I baptize you with water for repentance, but after me will come One more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire."

So, Jesus saw fit to baptize them in the Holy Spirit and fire... but they weren't sons of God in Christ through faith?

I get why you don't want to admit it makes sense, but you really should just admit it makes sense. There are verses that seem to make sense of baptismal regeneration as well.

Once again you're not correct and are taking this out of context.

First of all, if you're looking at 1 cor 12:13 "by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body", the KJV is a poor translation. Look at the original Greek interlinear: the word is not "by", but rather is "in", "en". Makes a difference.

And your understanding of John the Baptist's words such as recorded in Luke 3:16, i.e.; baptize with the Holy Ghost and fire, is incorrect. The baptism of the Holy Ghost happened beginning with it falling on the apostles as recorded in Acts 2 on the day of Pentecost, and the power from on high that was bestowed upon them as promised to THEM by the Lord per Luke 24:49, and the "fire" is making reference to the eternal fire of hell, as pertaining to those that came to John's baptism; the publicans, Sadducees and Pharisees, which were also referred to ad a generation of vipers. Read Luke 3 down through verse 17 and the purge and unquenchable fire. Also read the parallel verses of Mat 3:1-12.

 

[Magenta]

the "fire" is making reference to the eternal fire of hell

. What in the world??? No believer is baptized in hell... and non-believers are not being addressed there.

Come to think of it, hell is not ever referred to as a baptism at all. Do you see the tongues of fire as hell, too?

 

[turbosixx]

Once again you're not correct and are taking this out of context.

First of all, if you're looking at 1 cor 12:13 "by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body", the KJV is a poor translation. Look at the original Greek interlinear: the word is not "by", but rather is "in", "en". Makes a difference.

And your understanding of John the Baptist's words such as recorded in Luke 3:16, i.e.; baptize with the Holy Ghost and fire, is incorrect. The baptism of the Holy Ghost happened beginning with it falling on the apostles as recorded in Acts 2 on the day of Pentecost, and the power from on high that was bestowed upon them as promised to THEM by the Lord per Luke 24:49, and the "fire" is making reference to the eternal fire of hell, as pertaining to those that came to John's baptism; the publicans, Sadducees and Pharisees, which were also referred to ad a generation of vipers. Read Luke 3 down through verse 17 and the purge and unquenchable fire. Also read the parallel verses of Mat 3:1-12.

It's my current understanding that the "fire" is referencing the trials one faces as a result of being a Christian.

Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

 

[DJT_47]

. What in the world??? No believer is baptized in hell... and non-believers are not being addressed there.

Come to think of it, hell is not ever referred to as a baptism at all. Do you see the tongues of fire as hell, too?

Read the texts re John the Baptist's remarks all the way thru, and to whom his comments were addressed: a generation of vipers, publicans, Sadducees and Pharisees. And don't conflate the issues, the one-time event on the day of Pentecost, "cloven tongues, LIKE as a fire", with John's comments regarding being baptized with fire, those who are or will be purged.

 

[Magenta]

Read the texts re John the Baptist's remarks all the way thru, and to whom his comments were addressed: a generation of vipers, publicans, Sadducees and Pharisees. And don't conflate the issues, the one-time event on the day of Pentecost, "cloven tongues, LIKE as a fire", with John's comments regarding being baptized with fire, those who are or will be purged.

Non-believers are not baptized with the Holy Spirit and with fire. Period. Nor are they being addressed when those
present are being told that they will be baptized with the Holy Spirit and with fire. Where did you get such an idea?

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

What problem is this solving?

Solves the 'problems' of confusion and division among the Many Different
traditions of denominations, eh?

Are you one of those people who say there are two different Gospels, one for Jews, one for Gentiles?

Well, since you asked: Is There More Than One Gospel?

Amen.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

It looks to me like you're going into this with a preconceived notion. Might I suggest we establish what baptism is/does by starting at the beginning and working up to "one baptism" which was written much later.

Actually I went into it with a pre-study of: Israel's 12 baptisms, and then
'worked my way' toward the later ONE Baptism!

Thanks for the Great suggestion - should be a Very productive and/or 'challenging' discussion, eh?

Amen.

 

[turbosixx]

Actually I went into it with a pre-study of: Israel's 12 baptisms, and then
'worked my way' toward the later ONE Baptism!

Thanks for the Great suggestion - should be a Very productive and/or 'challenging' discussion, eh?

Amen.

I hope it will be productive. If you went that far back, then may I suggest you got off track. I don't think we need to go that far back for now. As I stated, I would like to go back to the beginning of the gospel and establish what baptism is/does then go from there.

Do you agree or disagree that Jesus instructed the apostles to make Christians by baptizing the believer "in the name of" Jesus? Making this part of the great commission true.
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved,

 

[DJT_47]

Non-believers are not baptized with the Holy Spirit and with fire. Period. Nor are they being addressed when those
present are being told that they will be baptized with the Holy Spirit and with fire. Where did you get such an idea?

You obviously didn't read the John the Baptist texts.

 

[Cameron143]

I hope it will be productive. If you went that far back, then may I suggest you got off track. I don't think we need to go that far back for now. As I stated, I would like to go back to the beginning of the gospel and establish what baptism is/does then go from there.

Do you agree or disagree that Jesus instructed the apostles to make Christians by baptizing the believer "in the name of" Jesus? Making this part of the great commission true.
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved,

The Apostles couldn't make Christians. Jesus alone builds the church. The responsibility given to the disciples was to teach those Jesus added.

 

[DJT_47]

Non-believers are not baptized with the Holy Spirit and with fire. Period. Nor are they being addressed when those
present are being told that they will be baptized with the Holy Spirit and with fire. Where did you get such an idea?

Read the Matthew 3 account of John the Baptist. The Sadducees and Pharisees were present to which John's comments were made.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

I hope it will be productive. If you went that far back, then may I suggest you got off track. I don't think we need to go that far back for now. As I stated, I would like to go back to the beginning of the gospel and establish what baptism is/does then go from there.

Do you agree or disagree that Jesus instructed the apostles to make Christians by baptizing the believer "in the name of" Jesus? Making this part of the great commission true.
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved,

Precious friend, appreciate your kind words and suggestions.

"Let us go back to the beginning of the gospel"?

Great idea, if you are referring to the "gospel of the kingdom" and it's
associated baptisms of 'water and with The Spirit' By Christ, then, if I
may kindly suggest, that would be more appropriate ( on track ) under
the other thread of: 12 baptisms

However, if you are referring to The Gospel Of Grace, and It's Associated
'One Spiritual' Baptism, By The Holy Spirit, then that would be ( on track )
to the 'topic' of this thread, imho?

Be Blessed. Amen.

 

[romans113336]

Once again you're not correct and are taking this out of context.

First of all, if you're looking at 1 cor 12:13 "by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body", the KJV is a poor translation. Look at the original Greek interlinear: the word is not "by", but rather is "in", "en". Makes a difference.

And your understanding of John the Baptist's words such as recorded in Luke 3:16, i.e.; baptize with the Holy Ghost and fire, is incorrect. The baptism of the Holy Ghost happened beginning with it falling on the apostles as recorded in Acts 2 on the day of Pentecost, and the power from on high that was bestowed upon them as promised to THEM by the Lord per Luke 24:49, and the "fire" is making reference to the eternal fire of hell, as pertaining to those that came to John's baptism; the publicans, Sadducees and Pharisees, which were also referred to ad a generation of vipers. Read Luke 3 down through verse 17 and the purge and unquenchable fire. Also read the parallel verses of Mat 3:1-12.

Cloven tongues of fire were on their heads when they were baptized in the Spirit.

Coincidence?