Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

[BrianMeir]

His actions say otherwise. We can't judge hearts, but we can certainly judge fruit. Biden should've been excommunicated a long time ago.

Yeah, my mom divorced my dad for lack of fruits in his life, and that gun pretty much shoots every Christian. But at least Biden claims Christianity, and he does have some moral character, which seems to be more than Mr. Trump's. It is my theory that personal integrity is more important to God than policy. I could be wrong. But even if I am, I still don't think Trump is the answer.

 

[cv5]

I would choose the moral president (who in the case of Biden is Christian)

That assessment is.......a product of insanity.

Biden is by all accounts bound for the lake of fire. There is zero evidence that he is a saved Christian.

Same goes for Trump to be honest.

 

[cv5]

Yeah, my mom divorced my dad for lack of fruits in his life, and that gun pretty much shoots every Christian. But at least Biden claims Christianity, and he does have some moral character, which seems to be more than Mr. Trump's. It is my theory that personal integrity is more important to God than policy. I could be wrong. But even if I am, I still don't think Trump is the answer.

Good grief man the entire Bidenista clan is running an influence peddling/money laundering operation. Guilty as hell.

 

[NightTwister]

Yeah, my mom divorced my dad for lack of fruits in his life, and that gun pretty much shoots every Christian. But at least Biden claims Christianity, and he does have some moral character, which seems to be more than Mr. Trump's. It is my theory that personal integrity is more important to God than policy. I could be wrong. But even if I am, I still don't think Trump is the answer.

Biden has zero moral character. He's a very evil man.

Proverbs 6:
16 There are six things that the Lord hates,
seven that are an abomination to him:
17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked plans,
feet that make haste to run to evil,
19 a false witness who breathes out lies,
and one who sows discord among brothers.

 

[ZNP]

Oh I see now. It didn't seem to me like you were really talking about Trump; it seemed to me like you were talking about Biden. That's why I overlooked your remarks. Now that I read them, I really don't want to answer further because you seem to be using this avenue designated for discussing Trump to discuss Biden. If you could honestly critique Trump without pouring vitriol for Biden into your remark, then I'll consider what you are saying.

That is pure hypocrisy. That is what this thread is doing. Using this thread to pour vitriol on Trump while avoiding any discussion of Biden.

This ignores the fact that in an election we have two choices. We don't get to vote for our hypothetical perfect Christian, we vote for either A or B. So what would get me to not vote for A? If he is every bit as bad as B. Simple.

This is what all those who have a problem with Christians voting for Trump miss, the choice was Hillary or Trump, how can you possibly fault a Christian for not voting for Hillary? But they never say "I can't believe you didn't vote for Hillary", no, instead it is "I can't believe you voted for Trump". What was the alternative?

Also referring to Biden's lies and crimes as "pouring vitriol on him"? These are impeachable offenses. He is required as commander and chief to protect the integrity of the US, his treatment of the border is impeachable, his handling of Afghanistan is worthy of far more than vitriol. I consider handing over a hit list of those who supported the US to the Taliban to be impeachable. Giving the Taliban all of our military equipment and bases is impeachable. The Lies he told about the Hunter Biden laptop is, in my opinion, worse than the lies Bill Clinton told about having sex with his intern. Keeping classified documents in his garage is impeachable. Weaponizing the DOJ is impeachable. Trying to imprison his political opponents is impeachable.

 

[BrianMeir]

That is pure hypocrisy. That is what this thread is doing. Using this thread to pour vitriol on Trump while avoiding any discussion of Biden.

This ignores the fact that in an election we have two choices. We don't get to vote for our hypothetical perfect Christian, we vote for either A or B. So what would get me to not vote for A? If he is every bit as bad as B. Simple.

This is what all those who have a problem with Christians voting for Trump miss, the choice was Hillary or Trump, how can you possibly fault a Christian for not voting for Hillary? But they never say "I can't believe you didn't vote for Hillary", no, instead it is "I can't believe you voted for Trump". What was the alternative?

Also referring to Biden's lies and crimes as "pouring vitriol on him"? These are impeachable offenses. He is required as commander and chief to protect the integrity of the US, his treatment of the border is impeachable, his handling of Afghanistan is worthy of far more than vitriol. I consider handing over a hit list of those who supported the US to the Taliban to be impeachable. Giving the Taliban all of our military equipment and bases is impeachable. The Lies he told about the Hunter Biden laptop is, in my opinion, worse than the lies Bill Clinton told about having sex with his intern. Keeping classified documents in his garage is impeachable. Weaponizing the DOJ is impeachable. Trying to imprison his political opponents is impeachable.

You are entitled to your opinions, sir. However I feel that the original question posed by this thread is fair, and definitely not pejorative.

 

[ZNP]

You are entitled to your opinions, sir. However I feel that the original question posed by this thread is fair, and definitely not pejorative.

OK, but ask yourself this, if you were employed by the Democratic party and your job was to find out how to undermine Trump's support going into this upcoming election, what question would you ask?

Perhaps it is only a coincidence, but I feel quite confident that there is a lot of money being pumped in to find out how to convince supporters of Trump to not support him.

We have deep fake, so they can portray him saying anything they want. Yes, you can debunk and prove these things are deep fakes, so you roll them out in the last week before the election.

How many dirty tricks do we have to see before we wise up and realize this is how they are working.

Secondly, what is the purpose of getting a list of hypotheticals? How is that a valuable use of your time? The only way this is not a complete waste of time is if someone is planning on using whatever they discover to come up with their dirty tricks.

Finally, let's change the wording slightly -- What lie could we tell you that would get you to not support Trump?

 

[BrianMeir]

OK, but ask yourself this, if you were employed by the Democratic party and your job was to find out how to undermine Trump's support going into this upcoming election, what question would you ask?

Perhaps it is only a coincidence, but I feel quite confident that there is a lot of money being pumped in to find out how to convince supporters of Trump to not support him.

We have deep fake, so they can portray him saying anything they want. Yes, you can debunk and prove these things are deep fakes, so you roll them out in the last week before the election.

How many dirty tricks do we have to see before we wise up and realize this is how they are working.

Secondly, what is the purpose of getting a list of hypotheticals? How is that a valuable use of your time? The only way this is not a complete waste of time is if someone is planning on using whatever they discover to come up with their dirty tricks.

Finally, let's change the wording slightly -- What lie could we tell you that would get you to not support Trump?

The guy who created this thread did so because he is leary of Trump, as am I and others conservative Christians. We don't trust him based on our own judgement, without influence from his opponents. The question meant, if you, genuinely supporting Trump, saw something he were to say or do that would go too far, how far would that be? For example, if he outright denounced certain races and tried to give special privilege to white people above what is equitable, or tried to make it mandatory for schools to teach that the Civil War was not fought over slavery but over states' rights. Now granted, the single biggest weapon the Left has is weaponizing race against white people, and asking the exact same questions I just asked. It seems to me that just being white automatically makes you evil nowadays. This is almost as bad as saying just being black automatically makes you evil, but personally I think it's worse because modern civilization is built by white people, and although whites and blacks are equal, I think it is more dangerous to society to attack the founders of it. I'm sorry if that sounds cold. It just seems to me that more damage is done that way. It is like hating the engineer. You can hate him all you want, but if you destroy his work you hurt everyone. And it seems to me that the work done by white people to civilize the world is under attack in the guise of fighting white supremacy. In my opinion, the answer is to stop hating your neighbor. When someone wrongs you, don't publicize it. Always forgive. Love your enemies. Never condescend to people who work for you, but speak to them politely and caringly as if they are your equals. Don't take vengeance or act vindictively. Don't use your power to make yourself look bigger by making someone else look smaller, no matter what they have done. Don't go on social media and make fun of Karen. Respect the elders and accommodate their quirks. Don't spread stories about bad people. Let things go. As far as is possible with you, earn your way without taking other people down. You don't need to go to a therapist to complain about your parents and your ex and your coworkers; take your problems to Jesus instead, and He will shoulder those burdens. Can't we all live by these values?

As far as saying what lie I would tell against Trump to immobilize him if I were a liberal, well first of all, I would have to change my frame of mind from genuine concern about Trump's character to malicious contempt for the man, trying to bring him down to suit my own evil desire. But I refuse to think like an evil person just to model it. That would perpetuate it. I would rather express my own honest concerns about him than lie.

 

[ResidentAlien]

The guy who created this thread did so because he is leary of Trump,

I'm not leery of Trump; I've already made up my mind about him. The main reason I started the thread was to gain some insight into his followers. Would they follow him blindly off a cliff?

 

[ZNP]

In my opinion, the answer is to stop hating your neighbor.

That is close to my opinion, a little too generic for this thread. In my opinion the answer is to treat Donald Trump the way I would want to be treated, and likewise with Joe Biden.

1. I don't want people hypothesizing about make believe things and hypothetical things I could do.

on the flip side

2. I do want a fair, and reasonable assessment of things that I have done that I need to repent of or clear up.

I have done this with both Joe Biden and Donald Trump. Donald Trump has said offensive things and I have called him out on those and feel some of the things he said have crossed a line. But I have not for the most part found any thing that he has done to be something that rises to that level. I think he made some mistakes in handling the pandemic. Primarily he said things that were easily mocked and he didn't fire Fauci. I don't know if either were sinful. Also the vaccine was made under his watch, but again, don't know to what extent if any he bears any fault there. However, he never mandated it and that to me was the clear and grievous sin that violated the law.

As for Biden I don't "pour vitriol" on him, I call him out for things that are clear sins. His daughter wrote in her diary, a diary that has been confirmed to be hers, that her promiscousness and fornication has caused her great harm and she feels the reason for it was taking showers with Joe Biden when she was 11 years old. To me that is a sin that Joe Biden must address. If it isn't true that must be addressed, if it is that must be repented of.

Giving a hit list to the Taliban is a sin that you must confess and repent of.

Handing over all that military equipment to the Taliban is a major failing. However, there is evidence that it was a quid pro quo, he was giving it ultimately to the Chinese in return for them giving him the election. If that is true it must be repented of.

I list serious sins that will cause him to go to hell if he does not repent. Eternal salvation is far more important than confessing to crimes that would cause you to be impeached and then prosecuted.

 

[mailmandan]

Biden blames GOP for potential government shutdown, political division; praises Harris as 'freedom' fighter

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bi...tical-division-praises-harris-freedom-fighter

 

[ZNP]

A very appealing political platform

The majority of people view themselves as "poor", so they love a politician who promises to take all those government resources and tax dollars and give it to them and their neighborhood or community. It is the basic "take from the rich and give to the poor" campaign. But then I saw this video where this lady in Chicago was lambasting the politicians saying that they were taking their resources and giving them to the migrants coming into the city. I thought it was hysterical. She voted for them to take the resources and give them to the poor, she thought what that meant was "give them to me". But that is what they are doing, the illegal migrants are poor. She thought she was poor, but compared to them she is rich. So they are taking her resources and giving them to the migrants.

This is what Jesus said, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. She loved the policy if it meant taking what belongs to others and giving it to her, but she is outraged if it means taking what belongs to her and giving it to others.

This is the heart of the matter. I don't care Republican or Democrat, Leftist or Rightist, Globalist or Nationalist. This is the heart of the matter.

Take the pro abortionists for example. You want to abort your baby if it is inconvenient for you to have the baby, even though you could have done a lot of things to prevent getting pregnant in the first place. But suppose the government decides they want to abort you when it is inconvenient to them for you to keep living? For example, Social Security is in danger of default, but not if everyone who is collecting Social security were aborted. Righteous judgement means doing unto others as you would have them do to you.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Yeah, my mom divorced my dad for lack of fruits in his life, and that gun pretty much shoots every Christian. But at least Biden claims Christianity,
and he does have some moral character,

Biden doesn't claim Christianity, he's Catholic. He supports abortion to the point of infanticide. He lies more than any politician,lied about his own wifes death and continues the lie, plagiarizing entire speeches. He's made more racist comments than you can shake a stick at. His own daughter accused him of taking baths with her when she was too old and asked if that was why she was "messed up" in her diary. He was accused of raping a woman. And he is now under investigation for corruption by he and his family taking money from countries all over the world. So yeah, he's no Christian, nor does he have "moral character." Please pull your head out of the sand and stop listening to whoever is telling you this nonsense.

It is my theory that personal integrity is more important to God than policy.

Then Biden would be the last person on earth you'd vote for.

 

[cv5]

I'm not leery of Trump; I've already made up my mind about him. The main reason I started the thread was to gain some insight into his followers. Would they follow him blindly off a cliff?

Evidently, some of the J6-ers already have. I think the whole wretched affair never should have happened.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You are entitled to your opinions, sir. However I feel that the original question posed by this thread is fair, and definitely not pejorative.

Of course you do! With a view as slanted as yours full of absolute untruths you would consider the question fair.

 

[ZNP]

Evidently, some of the J6-ers already have. I think the whole wretched affair never should have happened.

378 people have been incarcerated over January 6. Estimates for the number of people at the rally range from 500,000 to 1,500,000. I think 1 million is a fair and reasonable estimate. That is 0.03%. 99.97% of those there did not succumb to anything even resembling a crime like trespassing.

I went to five Stop the Steal rallies and in each one we were attacked by Antifa. I was in Washington for a week for the January 6th event. I went to four prayer meetings. Everyone I talked to was fully aware that there would be an attack from Antifa. The night before the Mayor arrested the leaders of the Proud Boys who had acted as security to all the other events. So we knew that the fix was in, they were removing the security.

I got to the event at 5am and already it was packed out. I think the speech ended around 1 so that was 8 hours and during that time everyone I saw and bumped into I warned that the fix was in. But I also bumped into some anarchists. I talked to the guy who put his feet on Nancy Pelosi's desk.

My point is that when you have a million people you will always get a few foolish, ignorant or arrogant ones. I believe it is of God that some were imprisoned just as it was of God that Samson was imprisoned. It exposed the deep state (Delilah) and it will ultimately bring the entire sordid temple down on their heads.

 

[cv5]

and in each one we were attacked by Antifa. I was in Washington for a week for the January 6th event. I went to four prayer meetings. Everyone I talked to was fully aware that there would be an attack from Antifa. The night before the Mayor arrested the leaders of the Proud Boys who had acted as security to all the other events. So we knew that the fix was in, they were removing the security.

Right. So in consideration of the fact that a trap was obviously being laid, fully sanctioned and coordinated by the nutter Dem mayor (with criminal and constitution-defying intent), big Dem spooky hill operatives (likewise), the FBI and the rest of the spook agencies:

The whole thing should have been defused and the project abandoned.

Trump's enemies capitalized (pardon the pun) bigly from this disaster. They whole mess was a HUGE payoff for the bad guys. Huge.
Trump and his boyz walked right into this carefully laid minefield like a bunch of loudly braying asses. Absolutely ridiculous.

You see.....Trump has "rallies" that don't amount to a hill of beans. On the other hand, Trumps enemies and wrecking crew boyz are FEARLESSLY indicting everyone and anyone, putting people in jail and destroying their lives and "take them out" in the most bloodthirsty manner imaginable.

Everybody better come up with a "better plan", cuz this one is a dud. Oh yea.....and Trump walked right into this debacle. Willingly, knowingly. And a lot of people got hurt.

 

[BrianMeir]

That assessment is.......a product of insanity.

Biden is by all accounts bound for the lake of fire. There is zero evidence that he is a saved Christian.

Same goes for Trump to be honest.

Of course you do! With a view as slanted as yours full of absolute untruths you would consider the question fair.

I don't know enough about Biden to endorse him. I said I would vote for the moral president who in Biden's case is a Christian. Maybe I went too far in implying Biden is moral. Maybe I confuse dignity with morality. All these nasty accusations I hear about his 11 year old daughter and corruption with his son, etc, haven't really gotten my attention because they don't seem to be verified. I did not vote for Biden nor did I vote for Trump. I disagree with Biden's endorsement of the woke agenda. I heard him say, "White Supremacy is the worst form of terrorism," and that troubles me, because it seems to me that a lot of young and woke people throw around the term white supremacy as a way of attacking white people and traditional institutions. But let's all remember that this thread is about Trump, not Biden. And I would really appreciate it if you people would stop speaking so pejoratively against me. There is a clear difference between ignorance and insanity, for one thing. You guys speaking so hatefully accomplish no good as Christians. You contribute to the growing problem of hatred dividing us all as Americans and leading us all into dishonor. Since you are Christians, you ought to be speaking graciously, patiently, and respectfully. But your confrontational choices are indicating you lack the character of the Name you represent.

 

[cv5]

Since you are Christians, you ought to be speaking graciously, patiently, and respectfully. But your confrontational choices are indicating you lack the character of the Name you represent.

Right. Tell that to Elijah or JTB. Or the Apostle Paul for that matter.
Confrontation is a CRITICAL dimension and aspect to revealing the truth of the matter. Ad hominems are frankly meaningless and the typical (and impotent) passive aggressive reaction for those who are in a weak defensive posture.

Nowadays, the weak, vacillating vapid Church always wants to "meet half way", and engage in endless "dialogue", seemingly never to apprehend the actual TRUTH of a matter.

Well friend the TRUTH is that I already know EXACTLY who and what Brandon and the Bidenistas are. Any further debate is a total waste of my time as far as I am concerned. I do however continue to ascertain and compile the facts. All of which say the same thing about Brandon.

 

[ZNP]

All these nasty accusations I hear about his 11 year old daughter and corruption with his son, etc, haven't really gotten my attention because they don't seem to be verified.

Hunter Biden's laptop has been verified as legitimate by Hunter Biden and the FBI.

The diary was confirmed to be legitimate by Ashley Biden, the person who wrote it.