Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?
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Or that "Robert Peters" aka Joe Biden guy.
You know......the guy with the dozens of shell companies set up strictly for the purpose of laundering the slush fund $$$ cash $$$ from crooked politicians? The guy with the porn/coke addict son who is on the run for same and also gun violations and IRS crimes?
You know......the guy with the dozens of shell companies set up strictly for the purpose of laundering the slush fund $$$ cash $$$ from crooked politicians? The guy with the porn/coke addict son who is on the run for same and also gun violations and IRS crimes?
Hi Resident,
Of all the answers on the first two pages, no one has answered your question, despite it being direct and answerable.
Unfortunately I can't answer it very well myself, although I would like to. I don't know much about what Trump really accomplished in office, what policies he executed, and what positions he actually took. What I do see is someone outlandishly bombastic, who makes speeches wildly claiming credit for all sorts of things he is obviously not responsible for. To a large degree his self-adulatory speech is just straight up lying, as anyone can see. The impression I get is that his words are meant to be taken through a filter, so his supporters hear what they want to hear and his opponents condemn him for what they infer. For me personally I find it difficult to pin down exactly and concretely the substance of his actual work, considering that his speeches don't comprise actual policy. So knowing what line he would have to cross for me to conclusively determine he is unacceptable as a leader is confusing. I kind of think that if you have to knowingly filter through so many lies then it could be an indication of bad character.
Another indication to me that Trump has bad character is the way he coldly sacrifices so many people who have supported him, like Michael Cohen and Mike Pence. Mike Pence acted honorably on January 6th and Trump cut him off for it. Also Trump's career before becoming president involved cheating a lot of people out of their money, like through Trump University.
But a lot of his actions could just be written off as sloppy, like keeping all those classified documents. A lot of people take work home with them when they're not supposed to. In the upper echelons of the professional world a lot of rules are bent. It is the only way real work can be accomplished. And for all the accusations against Trump, I am not familiar with any one particular thing he has done that is egregiously wrong and unexplainable.
This is where I think your question is pertinent, because I, like you, am kind of looking for a smoking gun so my confusion about him can clear up and I can definitively reject him.
It does seem like the two impeachments were politically motivated. It seemed like an unpopularity contest, because I am unaware of what actual substantive basis he was impeached for. I strongly suspect that whatever bases he was impeached for are on par with deficiencies of plenty of other past presidents and officials who were not prosecuted the same way. As an interesting historical side note, the first impeachment was also entirely due to political unpopularity in a completely unfair way. (Andrew Johnson).
I watched a clip on YouTube once that claimed that Obama actually deported more illegal immigrants than Trump did. It was making the point that while Trump talked big, his government was actually run pretty inefficiently, and due to the more efficient nature of Obama's White House, Obama deported more people. It wouldn't surprise me if this were true, because Obama maintained a very professional demeanor, and Trump is very unprofessional. Obama, for one thing, was not as liberal as today's liberals are. And as liberal as Joe Biden is, even he is moderate compared to many. Conservatives should be thanking their lucky stars that Biden is president rather than a young woke extremist who has been raised to hate all things Christian.
In the old testament, God judged the nation of Israel based upon the character of their king. For this reason I think it is a bad idea to support Trump, despite his courtship of the religious right. In my opinion, Christian conservatives who support Trump now may win the battle, but by trusting so much unscrupulous behavior in their leader, they will certainly lose the war for the hearts and minds of the American people in generations to come, when people look to the past and ask who our Christian conservative paragons of morality were. I really think the example we are setting by endorsing Trump as our figurehead is presenting ourselves, and especially God, in a very bad way.
Of all the answers on the first two pages, no one has answered your question, despite it being direct and answerable.
Unfortunately I can't answer it very well myself, although I would like to. I don't know much about what Trump really accomplished in office, what policies he executed, and what positions he actually took. What I do see is someone outlandishly bombastic, who makes speeches wildly claiming credit for all sorts of things he is obviously not responsible for. To a large degree his self-adulatory speech is just straight up lying, as anyone can see. The impression I get is that his words are meant to be taken through a filter, so his supporters hear what they want to hear and his opponents condemn him for what they infer. For me personally I find it difficult to pin down exactly and concretely the substance of his actual work, considering that his speeches don't comprise actual policy. So knowing what line he would have to cross for me to conclusively determine he is unacceptable as a leader is confusing. I kind of think that if you have to knowingly filter through so many lies then it could be an indication of bad character.
Another indication to me that Trump has bad character is the way he coldly sacrifices so many people who have supported him, like Michael Cohen and Mike Pence. Mike Pence acted honorably on January 6th and Trump cut him off for it. Also Trump's career before becoming president involved cheating a lot of people out of their money, like through Trump University.
But a lot of his actions could just be written off as sloppy, like keeping all those classified documents. A lot of people take work home with them when they're not supposed to. In the upper echelons of the professional world a lot of rules are bent. It is the only way real work can be accomplished. And for all the accusations against Trump, I am not familiar with any one particular thing he has done that is egregiously wrong and unexplainable.
This is where I think your question is pertinent, because I, like you, am kind of looking for a smoking gun so my confusion about him can clear up and I can definitively reject him.
It does seem like the two impeachments were politically motivated. It seemed like an unpopularity contest, because I am unaware of what actual substantive basis he was impeached for. I strongly suspect that whatever bases he was impeached for are on par with deficiencies of plenty of other past presidents and officials who were not prosecuted the same way. As an interesting historical side note, the first impeachment was also entirely due to political unpopularity in a completely unfair way. (Andrew Johnson).
I watched a clip on YouTube once that claimed that Obama actually deported more illegal immigrants than Trump did. It was making the point that while Trump talked big, his government was actually run pretty inefficiently, and due to the more efficient nature of Obama's White House, Obama deported more people. It wouldn't surprise me if this were true, because Obama maintained a very professional demeanor, and Trump is very unprofessional. Obama, for one thing, was not as liberal as today's liberals are. And as liberal as Joe Biden is, even he is moderate compared to many. Conservatives should be thanking their lucky stars that Biden is president rather than a young woke extremist who has been raised to hate all things Christian.
In the old testament, God judged the nation of Israel based upon the character of their king. For this reason I think it is a bad idea to support Trump, despite his courtship of the religious right. In my opinion, Christian conservatives who support Trump now may win the battle, but by trusting so much unscrupulous behavior in their leader, they will certainly lose the war for the hearts and minds of the American people in generations to come, when people look to the past and ask who our Christian conservative paragons of morality were. I really think the example we are setting by endorsing Trump as our figurehead is presenting ourselves, and especially God, in a very bad way.
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I disagree with you on electing someone for policy's sake alone. If we elect leaders with poor character then generations to come who are questioning what values to live by will look back at the character of the people the Christians before them elected and will choose their own personal values based on who displayed better character in their past. If we or people we select to lead us are bad people then the generations who come after us will want nothing to do with our values.
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And things were better under Obama than they were under Trump. I think the reason things are getting worse is not because of Trump's and Biden's policies, but because the old generations are retiring and dying and getting replaced with younger people with inferior values. It is going to get much worse as time goes on, and we will look back at Biden's time as the last of the golden years.
I didn't say it was a good thing. I said that neither he nor any of those who are in his inner circle refer to him as a savior and that characterization is simply one way to attack Christians. Basically they are saying "you can't be a Christian and support Donald Trump" or "Donald Trump is a false messiah" or "if you support him you are in a cult".
I think those that support him would call it "justice" not vengeance. So yes, is it a good thing to have justice in a corrupt, evil world? Yes.
If you are the crook do you view it as justice or vengeance? Don't really care how the liars and crooks view it.
Do I agree with Trump's use of the word vengeance? No, but then I don't agree with what many are saying today.
I think those that support him would call it "justice" not vengeance. So yes, is it a good thing to have justice in a corrupt, evil world? Yes.
If you are the crook do you view it as justice or vengeance? Don't really care how the liars and crooks view it.
Do I agree with Trump's use of the word vengeance? No, but then I don't agree with what many are saying today.
The question no one has answered is this one that I asked because many of us are confused.
If Joe Biden was taking showers with 11 year old girls, or having credible accusations of rape, or violating the law with classified documents in his garage, or having crack addicts bringing cocaine into the Whitehouse, or selling out the country to Ukraine?
If he refused to do his job and let 8 million or more illegal immigrants in through our border, or ordered an attack on one of our allies blowing up Germany's pipeline supplying them with energy, or had a catastrophic exit from Afghanistan giving a list of people who helped the US to the Taliban so they could kill and torture them. Just tell us, what is the line?
If Joe Biden was taking showers with 11 year old girls, or having credible accusations of rape, or violating the law with classified documents in his garage, or having crack addicts bringing cocaine into the Whitehouse, or selling out the country to Ukraine?
If he refused to do his job and let 8 million or more illegal immigrants in through our border, or ordered an attack on one of our allies blowing up Germany's pipeline supplying them with energy, or had a catastrophic exit from Afghanistan giving a list of people who helped the US to the Taliban so they could kill and torture them. Just tell us, what is the line?
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Post #11 and Post #15 are on the first page. So since I have answered the question, why don't you answer the question I asked in Post #25 (page 2) which I just brought forward in post #1812
What line would Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton have to cross for you not to vote for them?
Obviously killing 60 million babies isn't the line, what about 100 million?
Obviously violating US law by having top secret information on her personal server as Secretary of State is not a line, deleting 30,000 emails is not a line, selling out the country to Ukraine is not a line, opening our border to 8 million illegals is not a line, showering with an 11 year old is not the line, so just tell us, what line do they need to cross.
What line would Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton have to cross for you not to vote for them?
Obviously killing 60 million babies isn't the line, what about 100 million?
Obviously violating US law by having top secret information on her personal server as Secretary of State is not a line, deleting 30,000 emails is not a line, selling out the country to Ukraine is not a line, opening our border to 8 million illegals is not a line, showering with an 11 year old is not the line, so just tell us, what line do they need to cross.
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As counterintuitive as it would seem, I would choose the moral president (who in the case of Biden is Christian), because I believe that God honors character more than policy. I know this is not the answer you expect, but I believe that God looks deeper than we do. "Man looks at the outward appearance, but God looks at the heart." Another scriptural example is the story of Jeremiah and the Israelites after they had been defeated by Babylon. Babylon was a foreign culture that would pose political challenges to their faith, but God specifically told Israel to submit to them and not run away to Egypt where on the surface it seemed like they would be free. This shows that God cares more about our hearts than our freedom.
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Oh I see now. It didn't seem to me like you were really talking about Trump; it seemed to me like you were talking about Biden. That's why I overlooked your remarks. Now that I read them, I really don't want to answer further because you seem to be using this avenue designated for discussing Trump to discuss Biden. If you could honestly critique Trump without pouring vitriol for Biden into your remark, then I'll consider what you are saying.
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