Repent and be baptized, every one of you

[Ted01]

You may want to search the scriptures:
"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:15-16

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Matt. 28:17-20

Luke revealed in the scripture below, that the apostles actions were at the behest of Jesus Himself. Not only did Jesus give the apostles instructions while on Earth, He also directed them via the Holy Ghost:
"The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
Until the day in which he was taken up, AFTER THAT he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:" Acts 1:1-3

The Book of Acts is a record of the Acts/Actions of the Apostles wherein they baptized individuals in water as their Master Lord Jesus commanded.

God showed me years ago that the best way to gain a proper, comprehensive understanding of any topic in His word is to compile and study all verses pertaining to it. It is His Spirit that leads into all truth and the journey will last beyond one's lifetime here.

May God Bless!

Isn't that, basically, the "great commission"?
That's different than the actual mechanics of Salvation. People seem to be confusing the two.

While obedience is very much required in our walk with God, we are required to realize that we are thoroughly incapable of obeying without God make us able to do so... to be obedient.

We must totally rely on the finished work of Jesus, and that alone, for our Salvation. None of our works can add to that. In fact, they're an insult and denial of what Scripture tells us when we try to add to what Jesus did all by Himself.
It's 'another gospel, according to Scripture.

It's after we are Saved and have decided to die to self and instead, live for Christ, that we are going to even be able to obedient... and that is definitely after Salvation (chronologically).

 

[Wansvic]

But John did not baptize "in the name of Jesus".
j/s...

John introduced the baptism of repentance for the remission of sin that was later modified. Those who were baptized by John, nor he, had any idea Jesus would be crucified. The command went forth from Peter at Pentecost to repent, AND be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin in accordance with Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. Baptism in the name of Jesus is water baptism as seen in Peter's comments in Acts 10; "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord..." verses 47-48
This truth is also revealed in Acts 8:12-18, 19:1-6, 22:16.

Jesus prophesied that repentance and remission of sin would be preached in His name to all nations, and would begin in Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47) Peter presented the initial message in Jerusalem at Pentecost and later to the Gentiles. Philip carried the message to the Samaritans, Ananias presented it to Saul who later became the Apostle Paul, and Paul presented it to those in Ephesus.

 

[Ted01]

John introduced the baptism of repentance for the remission of sin that was later modified. Those who were baptized by John, nor he, had any idea Jesus would be crucified. The command went forth from Peter at Pentecost to repent, AND be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin in accordance with Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. Baptism in the name of Jesus is water baptism as seen in Peter's comments in Acts 10; "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord..." verses 47-48
This truth is also revealed in Acts 8:12-18, 19:1-6, 22:16.

Jesus prophesied that repentance and remission of sin would be preached in His name to all nations, and would begin in Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47) Peter presented the initial message in Jerusalem at Pentecost and later to the Gentiles. Philip carried the message to the Samaritans, Ananias presented it to Saul who later became the Apostle Paul, and Paul presented it to those in Ephesus.

See post 121... it seems to me that you are confusing two separate issues.
Both are important... but speak about two separate issues.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

You may want to search the scriptures:
"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

He said baptise THEM

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:15-16

show me the word water

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Matt. 28:17-20

Again, jesus said baptise THEM

Luke revealed in the scripture below, that the apostles actions were at the behest of Jesus Himself. Not only did Jesus give the apostles instructions while on Earth, He also directed them via the Holy Ghost:
"The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
Until the day in which he was taken up, AFTER THAT he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:" Acts 1:1-3

The Book of Acts is a record of the Acts/Actions of the Apostles wherein they baptized individuals in water as their Master Lord Jesus commanded.

God showed me years ago that the best way to gain a proper, comprehensive understanding of any topic in His word is to compile and study all verses pertaining to it. It is His Spirit that leads into all truth and the journey will last beyond one's lifetime here.

May God Bless!

Nice deflect

I said John 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6. where Jesus gave the gospel.

show me where he used the word baptize. once!!!

 

[Wansvic]

Isn't that, basically, the "great commission"?
That's different than the actual mechanics of Salvation. People seem to be confusing the two.

While obedience is very much required in our walk with God, we are required to realize that we are thoroughly incapable of obeying without God make us able to do so... to be obedient.

We must totally rely on the finished work of Jesus, and that alone, for our Salvation. None of our works can add to that. In fact, they're an insult and denial of what Scripture tells us when we try to add to what Jesus did all by Himself.
It's 'another gospel, according to Scripture.

It's after we are Saved and have decided to die to self and instead, live for Christ, that we are going to even be able to obedient... and that is definitely after Salvation (chronologically).

Paul explained what occurs in baptism. Clearly obedience brings about the destruction of one's sins made possible by the sacrifice of Jesus. This parallels what others expressed concerning water baptism:

"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him (Jesus) by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
FOR IF we have been planted together in the likeness of his (Jesus) death, we shall be also in the likeness of his (Jesus) resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him (Jesus), that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." Rom. 6:3-6

"Buried with him (Jesus) in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him (Jesus) through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him (Jesus) from the dead.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him (Jesus) , having forgiven you all trespasses;" Colossians 2:12-14

 

[Ted01]

Paul explained what occurs in baptism. Clearly obedience brings about the destruction of one's sins made possible by the sacrifice of Jesus. This parallels what others expressed concerning water baptism:

"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him (Jesus) by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
FOR IF we have been planted together in the likeness of his (Jesus) death, we shall be also in the likeness of his (Jesus) resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him (Jesus), that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." Rom. 6:3-6

"Buried with him (Jesus) in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him (Jesus) through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him (Jesus) from the dead.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him (Jesus) , having forgiven you all trespasses;" Colossians 2:12-14

I think that you are extrapolating waaaay too much from this.

Are you suggesting that getting dunked in water actually has spiritual significance?
I don't think that Paul was.

The idea of being baptized in that Scripture had a spiritual meaning... not directly having anything to do with water. Water is the outward sign... the real baptism that's going on is of the Holy Spirit.

While baptism in water is (almost) always included in the NT stories of regeneration of believers, it is because it's part of the commission given by Jesus... no convert should avoid it. But Scripture also teaches us of the actual "mechanics" of Salvation... which is summed up in Eph. 2:8-9 (ESV)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

If we include the work of baptism to that verse, it's undone.
And many here on CC, do, indeed, boast about their baptism.
Please stop.

 

[Wansvic]

See post 121... it seems to me that you are confusing two separate issues.
Both are important... but speak about two separate issues.

I find in scripture that it is necessary to experience the NT rebirth prior to becoming a participant in the Great Commission. Foundation is the key. Jesus spoke of the necessity of a proper foundation after telling people that believed in Him that He never knew them. (Matt. 7:23-29) Foundation principles of which baptism is one are outlined in Hebrews 6:1.

The apostles believed in Jesus yet were told to wait to be endued with power before embarking on the Great Commission. After being filled with the Holy Ghost, Peter introduced the entire gospel message in Acts 2 culminating in Acts 2:42 where it says the hearers were baptized and added to the church. (body of Christ)

The message in Acts 2 can easily be understood and obeyed if a person chooses to do so. And actually it is after a person steps out in faith, believing and obeying the message that the reality of what God brought about is comprehended; Spiritual eyes become open. (John 3:3) After being reborn the indwelling presence of the Holy Ghost will lead the child of God to others that need to hear the gospel in order that they too can experience being reborn; and the cycle is repeated. God's word does not return void. It is also the indwelling presence of God that promotes and makes it possible to born again individual's to live a Godly lifestyle. (teach them to observe...)

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Matt 28:19

Notice Jesus words below indicate that the gospel message includes the need to believe and be baptized:
"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:15-16

 

[Wansvic]

He said baptise THEM



show me the word water

Again, jesus said baptise THEM



Nice deflect

I said John 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6. where Jesus gave the gospel.

show me where he used the word baptize. once!!!

1. The scripture referenced says what it says:
"And he (Jesus) said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:15-16

2. Jesus said to baptize in Matthew 28:19. Disciples baptize in water.

3. Deflect? Not so. Scripture always reveals truth whether one is willing to accept it or not.

 

[Wansvic]

show me where he used the word baptize. once!!!

Jesus did say to baptize as the scriptures presented reveal.

 

[Wansvic]

I think that you are extrapolating waaaay too much from this.

Are you suggesting that getting dunked in water actually has spiritual significance?
I don't think that Paul was.

The idea of being baptized in that Scripture had a spiritual meaning... not directly having anything to do with water. Water is the outward sign... the real baptism that's going on is of the Holy Spirit.

While baptism in water is (almost) always included in the NT stories of regeneration of believers, it is because it's part of the commission given by Jesus... no convert should avoid it. But Scripture also teaches us of the actual "mechanics" of Salvation... which is summed up in Eph. 2:8-9 (ESV)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

If we include the work of baptism to that verse, it's undone.
And many here on CC, do, indeed, boast about their baptism.
Please stop.

I have no right nor desire to boast. God did it all. I did nothing but believe and obey as He commanded.

Thanks for discussing the topic.

 

[hornetguy]

Are you suggesting that getting dunked in water actually has spiritual significance?

Absolutely.

I don't think that Paul was.

Then, please explain why Paul, after going three days without food or water, IMMEDIATELY rose and was baptized, upon receiving his sight back.... which we assume is the point where he "accepted" Jesus as his savior, along with the free gift of salvation.
Paul seemed to think it was more important than food or water.... it has spiritual significance.

1 Peter 3 "....eight persons, were brought safely through the [p]water. 21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God [q]for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, "
Immersion (baptism) in water has spiritual significance.

It was seen and understood as the first act of a believer.....
Acts 8 "35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him. 36 As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch *said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?” 37 [[m]And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”] 38 And he ordered the [n]chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him."
Immersion in water has spiritual significance.

It was seen as necessary to signify acceptance of salvation, as demonstrated by the story of Cornelius in Acts 10...
"47 “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?” 48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ."
Immersion in water, baptism, has spiritual significance.

We could go on and on, but I'll stop with this. If you can't understand this, in plain scripture, then your agenda has become your idol that you must bow down to.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

1. The scripture referenced says what it says:
"And he (Jesus) said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:15-16

2. Jesus said to baptize in Matthew 28:19. Disciples baptize in water.

3. Deflect? Not so. Scripture always reveals truth whether one is willing to accept it or not.

So jesus contradicted himself in John where he never said be baptized?

You assume mark 16 speaks of water baptism.

you know what you do when you ASSume do you not?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Jesus did say to baptize as the scriptures presented reveal.

you keep deflecting

Show me where he said it in the passages I gave.

because showed us in those passages HOW to get eternal life.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I think that you are extrapolating waaaay too much from this.

Are you suggesting that getting dunked in water actually has spiritual significance?
I don't think that Paul was.

The idea of being baptized in that Scripture had a spiritual meaning... not directly having anything to do with water. Water is the outward sign... the real baptism that's going on is of the Holy Spirit.

While baptism in water is (almost) always included in the NT stories of regeneration of believers, it is because it's part of the commission given by Jesus... no convert should avoid it. But Scripture also teaches us of the actual "mechanics" of Salvation... which is summed up in Eph. 2:8-9 (ESV)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

If we include the work of baptism to that verse, it's undone.
And many here on CC, do, indeed, boast about their baptism.
Please stop.

As paul said

Not by works of righteousness we have done (Water baptism is a good or righteous work) but by his mercy, he saved us bu the washing and renewal of the HS..

Its the baptism and new birth or regeneration of the HS which saves us,,

Not water

 

[Wansvic]

So jesus contradicted himself in John where he never said be baptized?

You assume mark 16 speaks of water baptism.

you know what you do when you ASSume do you not?

You have been shown from scripture that Jesus told the apostles to baptize people. It was a reference to water baptism. How is this known? Because being baptized (indwelt) with the Holy Ghost is something God does.

God's word always confirms itself. A comprehensive study of scripture relating to water baptism or any topic negates the need for assuming anything.

Attempts to belittle have no place in adult discussions.

 

[Ted01]

I find in scripture that it is necessary to experience the NT rebirth prior to becoming a participant in the Great Commission. Foundation is the key. Jesus spoke of the necessity of a proper foundation after telling people that believed in Him that He never knew them. (Matt. 7:23-29) Foundation principles of which baptism is one are outlined in Hebrews 6:1.

The apostles believed in Jesus yet were told to wait to be endued with power before embarking on the Great Commission. After being filled with the Holy Ghost, Peter introduced the entire gospel message in Acts 2 culminating in Acts 2:42 where it says the hearers were baptized and added to the church. (body of Christ)

The message in Acts 2 can easily be understood and obeyed if a person chooses to do so. And actually it is after a person steps out in faith, believing and obeying the message that the reality of what God brought about is comprehended; Spiritual eyes become open. (John 3:3) After being reborn the indwelling presence of the Holy Ghost will lead the child of God to others that need to hear the gospel in order that they too can experience being reborn; and the cycle is repeated. God's word does not return void. It is also the indwelling presence of God that promotes and makes it possible to born again individual's to live a Godly lifestyle. (teach them to observe...)

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Matt 28:19

Notice Jesus words below indicate that the gospel message includes the need to believe and be baptized:
"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:15-16

Okay.

If read Scripture and are coming away the baptism as a primary issue... God Bless you in that.

 

[Ted01]

I have no right nor desire to boast. God did it all. I did nothing but believe and obey as He commanded.

Thanks for discussing the topic.

Thank you too... and be Blessed.

 

[Ted01]

Absolutely.

Then, please explain why Paul, after going three days without food or water, IMMEDIATELY rose and was baptized, upon receiving his sight back.... which we assume is the point where he "accepted" Jesus as his savior, along with the free gift of salvation.
Paul seemed to think it was more important than food or water.... it has spiritual significance.

1 Peter 3 "....eight persons, were brought safely through the [p]water. 21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God [q]for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, "
Immersion (baptism) in water has spiritual significance.

It was seen and understood as the first act of a believer.....
Acts 8 "35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him. 36 As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch *said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?” 37 [[m]And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”] 38 And he ordered the [n]chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him."
Immersion in water has spiritual significance.

It was seen as necessary to signify acceptance of salvation, as demonstrated by the story of Cornelius in Acts 10...
"47 “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?” 48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ."
Immersion in water, baptism, has spiritual significance.

We could go on and on, but I'll stop with this. If you can't understand this, in plain scripture, then your agenda has become your idol that you must bow down to.

After contemplating my last post, I think that I might have over-reacted... for that I do apologize.

Still, it seems to me that many people in the world today have new vocabularies that I'm not aware of. To me, a theory is always a theory, regardless of the educated mind that that it.... it is not a fact, as some people claim that it is. Also, work is always work, regardless of it being a work of obedience.

So, it seems to me that you and I speak different languages and I think that any conversation would be frustrating. (At least for me).
I appreciate the time that you allowed me... take care.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

You have been shown from scripture that Jesus told the apostles to baptize people.

yes, And youi have been shown WHY and WHEN they are to be baptized in water

It was a reference to water baptism. How is this known? Because being baptized (indwelt) with the Holy Ghost is something God does.

God's word always confirms itself. A comprehensive study of scripture relating to water baptism or any topic negates the need for assuming anything.

Attempts to belittle have no place in adult discussions.

Adult discussion? Is that what you do?

I was baptized INTO CHRIST.. By God

the washing of the holy spirit.

THEN I was baptized into water in obeying Gods command.

You are replacing the baptism of God with the baptism of water.. Blasphemy

 

[Wansvic]

you keep deflecting

Show me where he said it in the passages I gave.

because showed us in those passages HOW to get eternal life.

Note that Jesus differentiates between hearing the gospel, believing it, and being baptized. All detailed conversion records reveal this truth as well. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16)

Individuals are required to hear and respond to the gospel message that includes belief in Jesus, and obedience to baptism as Jesus words reveal:
"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth AND is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:15-16

"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." John 3:3, 5